Can we Stop the Maddness??

[lappir]

The time has changed again this morning while I slept last night. One clock showed 5am and of course my "Smart Phone" showed the real time of 4am when I woke up. It's going to take me forever to reset my internal clock and then by the time I get comfortable it will be time to change it back again. Why in this day and age of 24 hour everything, do we need to mess with TIME???? It's not going any where, it will always be there and who really pays attention to it anyway. Unless I am on my way to work or it's getting close to time to quit work for the day I could care less what time it is.  In my younger days, sure there were more reasons, but what about the youth of today. Most likely there are none up at this hour and most certainly not reading the RVNETWORK Sharing the Fulltime Lifestyle Forum. 

It's one of the many things on my mind this morning about the Madness in the world. This is the most benign.

 

Rod 

[Pat & Pete]

Go back to bed , Rod . LOL

And , don't worry about your circadian rhythm . It will take care of itself , so no need to fear it being 'off' .

[agesilaus]

I just fail to understand why congress is so resistant to adopting permanent daylight savings time. I don't recall hearing anyone  arguing for the current system.

[Jinx & Wayne]

My daughter claims she will run for office on the sole platform of ending daylight savings time.😱

[Barbaraok]

One of the reasons we love being in Arizona when the time change occurs around the country - no time changing here.  We do have one clock/radio that somewhere has a code line for time change and I haven't figured out how to get rid of that, but that's the only one. Only affect here is that the times for TV programs that synch with New York change, but we're retired and flexible.  

[jamtracy]

Though It doesn't bother me as near as it bothers you I want it to end as well. Spring forward and leave it there. Now they are once again talking about it again next year to abolish it. That would be nice.

[hemsteadc]

Get off my lawn.

[durangodon]

I haven't lived by a clock for years.

[brokeboater]

I live by my own inner clock.  The other stuff is just illusion.  Pay it heed at your own peril.

[Velos]

There is hope:
Until 2018, none of the hundreds of bills under consideration passed. However, in 2018, California and Florida voted to make DST permanent and, in 2019, an additional six states passed legislation to place the state on year-round DST, if authorized by Congress. Utah passed a resolution urging Congress to authorize year-round DST in a resolution but did not commit the state to do so.

Source:  https://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/daylight-savings-time-state-legislation.aspx

Background

The U.S. had daylight saving time (DST) as early as 1918, with the current federal policy being enacted in 1966, as the Uniform Time Act. Several changes occurred along the way, mostly changing the dates of starting and ceasing DST. The current enactment was part of the Energy Policy Act of 2005. The U.S. Department of Transportation is the federal agency responsible for overseeing DST and the country’s time zones. All states but Hawaii and Arizona (except for the Navajo Nation) observe DST. The territories of American Samoa, Guam, the Northern Mariana Islands, Puerto Rico and the U.S. Virgin Islands also do not observe DST. Federal law allows a state to exempt itself from observing daylight saving time, upon action by the state legislature to do so but does not allow the permanent observance of DST.

 

[Twotoes]

Nixon, during his Presidency, had year round DST as a way to save energy. Where else besides the USA is daylight savings time observed? Would it be disruptive on a global basis if the USA went year round? Things to consider. 

[RayJay]

Then there is this:  

[Velos]

It appears by the map below (better viewed at the source link) the trend is away from daylight savings and looks like more do not observe than do observe?

Most areas in Europe and North America observe daylight saving time (DST), whereas most areas of Africa and Asia do not. In South America, most countries in the north of the continent near the Equator do not observe DST, whereas Paraguay and most of Chile do. The practice of observing daylight saving time in Oceania is also mixed, with New Zealand and parts of southeastern Australia observing DST, while most other areas do not.

SOURCE:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daylight_saving_time_by_country

Daylight saving time by country as of March 2020

  Northern Hemisphere summer

  Southern Hemisphere summer

  Never used daylight saving

  Formerly used daylight saving

[bigjim]

44 minutes ago, RayJay said:

Then there is this:  

So freaking good.

[aztex]

Not sure what you're referring to...

 

Sincerely, 

Arizona

[hemsteadc]

Daylight saving time, not 'savings' time

Edited November 1, 2020 by hemsteadc

[noteven]

I object because it disrupts the cows.

[Kirk W]

I really envy those who consider the changing of time to be their most important problem. Personally, I would prefer permanent daylight saving, or why not just go back the the time as it was before daylight saving was invented? Then if we don't like the times that things start and stop compared to the time of sunrise and sunset, we could just change our work day from 7am to 4 pm, or something of that sort.

[Velos]

Here's What Cows Think of Daylight Saving Time

Farmer Katie Dotterer-Pyle and her husband David Pyle run Cow Comfort Inn Dairy and milk their herd of 350 cows every day. "They are like most humans, they are not receptive to change," Dotterer-Pyle told Carrol County Times. "They are very habitual animals, they like to do the same thing every day."

[Velos]

Daylight saving time is a distraction from the current and temporary chaos which will pass soon and the world will continue to go round. 

My first thought when I read through the legislation summary below was all the time, money and effort spent on the subject.  Could that time be better spent?  maybe... maybe not... All things are relative...

https://www.ncsl.org/research/transportation/daylight-savings-time-state-legislation.aspx

State Legislation—Daylight Saving Time 2019 and 2020 (Carryover, Enacted and Introduced) Updated August 2020

State

Bill Number

Prime

Sponsor

Status

Summary

Alabama

HB 215

 (2020)

Weaver

Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.

Alaska

HB 43

(2019)

Rauscher Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Provides that the Alaska Legislature petitions the U.S. Department of Transportation (DOT) to hold public hearings in the state on:
  • Changing time zones. Or
  • Placing the state within the “Pacific Standard Time Zone.”

 

HB 173

(2019)

Eastman Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

HB 292

(2020)

Ortiz Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

California

AB 7

(2019)

Chu Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

AJR 33

(2020)

Chu Pending

• Urges Congress and the President to enact legislation that would allow a state to adopt DST year-round.

Colorado

SB 105

(2020)

Scott Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.

 

SM 1

(2020)

Bridges and Scott Failed-Adjourned

• Urges Congress to repeal the federal law establishing the annual advancement of time known as “Daylight Saving Time” and leave the U.S. on standard time year-round.

Georgia

HR 1240

(2020)

Cantrell

Adopted

(3/9/2020)

• Urges the federal government to allow states to switch to permanent DST.

 

SB 351

(2020)

Watson

Failed

Adjourned

• Directs the Secretary of State to conduct a referendum asking voters to select one of the following at the next general election:
  • N. 1. The state shall continue to observe the current system of switching between standard time and DST twice a year.
  • N. 2. The state shall not observe DST.
  • N. 3. The state shall observe DST year-round if authorized by Congress.

 

HB 628

(2019)

Cantrell Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Provides that the state shall observe the standard time of the United States.

 

HB 630

(2019)

Cantrell Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.

 

HB 709

(2019)

Cantrell Failed-Adjourned

• Directs the state Secretary of State to conduct a referendum asking voters to select one of the following at the next general election:
  • N. 1. The state shall continue to observe the current system of switching between standard time and DST twice a year.
  • N. 2. The state shall observe standard time year-round.
  • N. 3. The state shall observe daylight saving time year-round if authorized by Congress.

Idaho

SB 1267

(2020)

State Affairs Committee

(Chair Lodge)

2020 Idaho Sess. Laws, Ch. 145

• Provides that if the state of Washington establishes DST as the permanent time of the state, then those areas in the state of Idaho that are in the “Pacific Time Zone” shall also make DST their permanent time.

 

SB 1386

(2020)

State Affairs Committee

(Chair Lodge)

Failed-Adjourned

• States that areas of Idaho in the “Mountain Time Zone” will follow “Mountain Daylight Saving Time” year-round at such time Utah establishes DST as the permanent time of the state.

 

HB 358

(2020)

State Affairs Committee

(Chair Lodge)

Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.

Illinois

SB 533

(2019)

Manar Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.
• Specifies that such time shall be established, “notwithstanding how time is advanced pursuant to the federal Uniform Time Act of 1966.”

 

HB 3837

(2019)

Skillicorn Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.
• Specifies that such time shall be established, “notwithstanding how time is advanced pursuant to the federal Uniform Time Act of 1966.”

 

HB 3821

(2019)

Grant Pending

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.

 

HB 4935

(2020)

Welter Pending

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.

 

HB 4219

(2020)

Sosnowski Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.

 

HR 750

(2020)

Sosnowski Pending

• Urges Congress to enact permanent DST.

Iowa

SF 2020

(2020)

Bolkcom Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes “Central Standard Time” as the official time year-round.

 

SF 2077

(2020)

Zaun Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.

 

HF 2059

(2020)

Sexton Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.

 

SF 2282

(2020)

State Government Committee

(Chair Smith)

Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.

 

HF 2560

(2020)

State Government Committee

(Chair Smith)

Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.

 

HF 71

(2019)

Sexton Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.

Kansas

HB 2422

(2020)

Williams Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes “Central Daylight Saving Time” as the official time year-round.
• Directs the state Secretary of State to monitor the enactment of any federal law that permits the year-round observation of “Central DST.”

 

HB 2008

(2019)

Williams Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.

Kentucky

HB 19

(2020)

Rowland Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.
• Directs the state Secretary of Transportation to monitor federal legislation and to certify the date of any legislation authorizing states to observe DST on a year-round basis.

 

HCR 53

(2020)

Reed Failed-Adjourned

• Urges Congress to allow states to permanently adopt DST.

 

HB 352

(2020)

Rudy Failed

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.
• Amendment failed.

Louisiana

HB 132

(2020)

Horton

Enacted

(6/10/2020)

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

HB 134

(2020)

Mack Failed

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

Maryland

SB 517

(2020)

Ready Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

HB 1610

(2020)

Crosby Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

Massachusetts

SB 1869

(2019)

Jehlen Pending

• Directs the Governor to annually issue a proclamation setting apart the second week of March as “Massachusetts Sleep Awareness Week,” and the Sunday at the beginning of “Daylight Savings Time,” and recommend that such week be properly observed as a period of special attention to the problems of sleep deprivation and fatigue.

 

HB 2766

(2019)

Provost Pending

• Directs the Governor to annually issue a proclamation setting apart the second week of March as “Massachusetts Sleep Awareness Week,” and the Sunday at the beginning of “Daylight Savings Time,” and recommend that such week be properly observed as a period of special attention to the problems of sleep deprivation and fatigue.

 

SB 1870

(2019)

Keenan Pending

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Specifies that the standard time within the state shall be the time known and designated by federal law as “Atlantic Standard Time.” 

Michigan

HB 4303

(2019)

Hoitenga

Pending

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Directs the Governor to petition U.S. DOT to place the state within the “Eastern Standard Time Zone.”

Minnesota

SF 475

(2019)

Kiffemeyer Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.

 

SF 1416

(2019)

Kiffemeyer Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

HF 1397

(2019)

Freiberg Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

SF 2896

(2019)

Kiffemeyer Failed-Adjourned

• Urges the President and Congress of the United States to adopt the federal Sunshine Protection Act, which would make DST the permanently established time year-round.

Mississippi

SB 2041

(2020)

Blackwell Failed

• Creates the “Mississippi Daylight Protection Act,” providing legislative intent that DST shall be the year-round standard time for the entire state, subject to congressional authorization.

 

HB 230

(2020)

Zuber Failed

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

HB 430

(2020)

Arnold Failed

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

HB 787

(2020)

Newman Failed

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

 

HB 514

(2020)

Ladner Failed

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.

 

HCR 17

(2020)

Arnold Pending

• Urges Congress to allow states to enact legislation that that would establish DST as the standard time throughout the calendar year.

  SCR 562 Blackwell Pending

• Expresses the intent of the legislature that DST shall be the year-round standard time.

Missouri

HB 1356

(2020)

Remole

Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes the “Daylight Saving as New Standard Time Pact,” consisting of Missouri and any other state seeking to permanently change DST to a new standard time.
• Provides that in the year in which at least 20 states passed legislation, each state will switch clocks to DST for the last time and DST will be eliminated.
• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Specifies that the time known as “DST” will be the standard time.

Nebraska

LB 1015

(2020)

Briese

Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization or an approval from U.S. DOT and if two (2) other states enact a single standard of time year-round.

New Jersey

SB 420

(2020)

Turner Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.
• Provides that the standing time of the state shall be considered “Eastern Daylight Time.”

 

AB 3868

(2020)

Wimberly Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.
• Provides that the standing time of the state shall be considered “Eastern Daylight Time.”

New Mexico

SB 272

(2020)

Pirtle

Failed-Adjourned

• Creates the “Interstate-Interjurisdiction Mountain Time Zone Permanent Daylight Saving Time Compact (Compact).”
• Outlines eligibility to join the Compact, including designating an official of notice in each member’s enacting statute.
• Establishes “Mountain Daylight Saving Time” as the official time year-round.

New York

SB 7080

(2020)

Skoufis Pending

• Establishes “Atlantic Time” as the official time year-round.

 

SB 7230

(2020)

Little Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round. 
• Specifies that such time shall be established, “notwithstanding how time is advanced pursuant to the federal Uniform Time Act of 1966.”

 

SB 3928

(2019)

Seward Pending

• Establishes a DST Task Force to study the effects of the state opting out of DST.

 

AB 1690

(2019)

Vanel  

• Establishes a DST Task Force to study the effects of the state opting out of DST.

 

AB 6622

(2019)

Morinello Pending

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Prohibits political subdivisions and state entities from using any other standard time.

North Carolina

HB 350

(2019)

Saine

Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.

Ohio

SB 119

(2019)

Roegner and Peterson Pending

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Prohibits courts, public offices, state entities and political subdivisions from using any other standard time.

 

SCR 8

(2019)

Roegner and Peterson Pending

• Urges Congress to enact the federal Sunshine Protection Act, which would permanently extend DST nationwide.

Oklahoma

HB 2868

(2020)

Pae Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Establishes “Central Standard Time” as the official time year-round.

 

HB 3878

(2020)

Brewer Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Establishes “Central Standard Time” as the official time year-round.

 

HB 1117

(2019)

West Failed-Adjourned

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST.
• Provides that the state elects to use “Central Standard Time” as the official time year-round.

Pennsylvania

SB 774

(2019)

Boscola Pending

• Provides that the uniform legal standard time of the Commonwealth shall be “Atlantic Standard Time” and that DST shall not be used.

 

SR 179

(2019)

Martin Pending

• Urges Congress to extend DST throughout the entire year across the country.

 

HB 825

(2019)

Diamond Pending

• Provides that the uniform standard time of the Commonwealth shall be “Eastern Standard Time” and that DST shall not be used as a standard of time.

 

HB 1462

(2019)

Mackenzie Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.

South Carolina

SB 11

(2019)

Peeler

2020 S.C.

Act 113

(2/7/2020)

• Provides that the South Carolina General Assembly intends for DST to be used as the year-round official time of the state, subject to congressional authorization.

 

HB 3335

(2019)

Clemmons Pending

• Provides that the South Carolina General Assembly intends for DST to be used as the year-round official time of the state, subject to congressional authorization.

 

HB 4658

(2020)

Chumley Pending

• Refers a ballot question asking, “Do you favor the Attorney General of South Carolina requesting a waiver from the United States Secretary of Transportation in order to permit and approve South Carolina to observe daylight saving time year-round and no longer observe standard time?”
• If approved by voters, directs the state Attorney General to request a waiver from U.S. DOT to permit the state to observe DST year-round.

 

HB 3018

(2019)

Clemmons Pending

• Urges Congress to extend observation of DST on a year-round basis.

 

HB 3246

(2019)

Chumley Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.
• Directs the state Attorney General to request a waiver from U.S. DOT, providing, however, that the provisions nullify if the waiver is not approved.

South Dakota

HB 1085

(2020)

Greenfield

Failed

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to an authorizing federal law.

Utah

SB 59

(2020)

Harper

Enacted

(3/28/2020)

• Subject to congressional authorization to allow states to observe DST year-round, places the state on “Mountain Daylight Time.”
• Contains a contingent effective date by specifying that at least four other western states (e.g., Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, New Mexico, Oregon, Washington or Wyoming) must also enact similar legislation.

Vermont

HB 559

(2020)

Yacovone Pending

• Creates an exemption from federal law regarding observation of DST, providing that the standard time shall be, “U.S. Standard Eastern Time.”

 

HB 10

(2019)

Young Pending

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.
• Provides that the new time may be designated as, “U.S. Eastern Daylight Saving Time.”

Washington

SB 5139

(2019)

Honeyford Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization.
• Requires a review of the potential impact the time zone has on communities to determine if the state should seek authorization from U.S. DOT to be in “Mountain Standard Time” on a year-round basis. 

 

SB 5140

(2019)

Honeyford Failed-Adjourned

• Provides that if Congress amends the law to allow states to observe DST year-round, it is the intent of the Washington Legislature that DST will be the official year-round standard of time.
• Requires a review of the impacts the state time zone and DST have on commerce.

 

SB 5250

(2019)

Mullet Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to both congressional authorization and approval by voters at the next general election.

West Virginia

SB 106

(2020)

Cline

Failed-Adjourned

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round.

Wyoming

HB 44

(2020)

Laursen

2020 Wyo. Sess. Laws, Ch. 134

• Establishes DST as the official time year-round, subject to congressional authorization and enactment of laws in at least four “western states” (Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah and Wyoming) to place all or a portion of the state on year-round DST.
• Exempts the state from “Mountain Standard Time.”
• Requires the governor to inform the management council of the legislature regarding the date the bill takes effect.

[bigjim]

20 minutes ago, Velos said:

Here's What Cows Think of Daylight Saving Time

Farmer Katie Dotterer-Pyle and her husband David Pyle run Cow Comfort Inn Dairy and milk their herd of 350 cows every day. "They are like most humans, they are not receptive to change," Dotterer-Pyle told Carrol County Times. "They are very habitual animals, they like to do the same thing every day."

no doubt cows could adapt over time to one change but not back and forth so much.  In the old days before DST if I needed more daylight I just got up earlier.  If it got dark a little earlier it gave the house a little time to cool a bit before bedtime and with no air conditioning every little bit helped.  Also if I wanted to go to a drive in movie with a girl I did not have to wait so late for it to get dark for the movie.  Might get in a little more smoochin time in.

[Ray,IN]

The history of time zones and DST there is no longer a valid need for DST IMO. In the past 50 years the reason big business in Indiana gives for observing DST is to stay on the same time as NYC and the stock market. That IMO is not a valid reason either.

When I was a child, Dad milked the cows during the winter, I milked during the summer. This kept the cows on the same milking schedule year around.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Ray,IN

[richfaa]

It does not bother me at all.

[Twotoes]

Nobody in Arizona cares one way or the other, lol lol lol. 

[pjstough]

When we are in Arizona it matters to us as my wife works remotely, starting her work day at 7:30 Central Time which is 6:30 Mountain Time, but when Iowa goes on Daylight Saving Time, her workday would start at 5:30 Central Daylight Saving Time, so we usually get out of Arizona on the weekend the rest of the world goes in Daylight Saving Time.