rpsinc Posted August 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 1 hour ago, trimster said: I think there's a company in calif that makes an adapter of some kind. I'll research. I'm in So Cal and will make my own when I find a car. Quote Marcel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 So looking at the UK Smart forum, newer (451) models, they have 2 tow bolt attachments on the front bumper. UK version has only one. They swapp out the bumper under the body. I think they are the same bolt size as the rear tow attachment points. Seems one could just purchase the 3rd party bolts, fab up a square tube cross bar and hook point. Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 Our 453 only has 1 bolt hole. Quote 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, GlennWest said: Our 453 only has 1 bolt hole. Apparently there's a second one on the right side. Just not cut out of the body work. Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geodog Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 The 453 has Only one bolt boss on both the front and back. ShortyO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 34 minutes ago, geodog said: The 453 has Only one bolt boss on both the front and back. ShortyO Bolt boss... that's a mounting point on the metal bumper? Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted August 18, 2021 Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 We had a Canadian 450 diesel that was a great little car...very good fuel mileage. We then ordered a new 2017 Brabus full load and it has been great. Much faster car and much better shifting dual clutch 6 speed auto transmission. Also, the large touch screen+JBL audio system with Apple car play and Android auto work well. If you can I'd go with the 2016/17 gas turbo if you can find one. Quote Rick & Carey,Excel W41GKE Wild Cargo Toyhauler Volvo 730, D13, I-shift, 500/1850Brabus Smart Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpsinc Posted August 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2021 What about a European Turbo Passion for two?? Quote Marcel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 6 hours ago, trimster said: Apparently there's a second one on the right side. Just not cut out of the body work. That is true for the 451, 2015 and earlier. The 453 of 2016-2017 has just one "nut" in the steel cross member/bumper. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geodog Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 The 453 has Only one bolt boss on both the front and back. ShortyO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geodog Posted August 19, 2021 Report Share Posted August 19, 2021 Rick called it a "nut". I called it a "bolt boss', the same thing. ShortyO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Think we have found a good 2013 Smart locally. $9600 https://cars.ksl.com/listing/7336841 It's in super shape. One owner. It has comes with the bike rack shown in the listing (which is tied to the rear two bumper tow bolts). Downside is no turbo and automatic, which is kinda gutless. First time I have driven one of these. Roomy inside but no really getup and go. Tires are close to the wear bars. It was a toad for a while. So it has the tow kit attachments in the front, wiring, and the tow bars included. I'll probably sell the tow bar. Thoughts on this one, welcome. Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 (edited) I just took a look up here in Canada and found this car. Has the better DCT and turbo engine cruise/NAV/ heated seats. About 6300 USD / 8000 Cdn. Says he'll deliver south. 24,000 miles. Edited August 20, 2021 by RickS Quote Rick & Carey,Excel W41GKE Wild Cargo Toyhauler Volvo 730, D13, I-shift, 500/1850Brabus Smart Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 20, 2021 Report Share Posted August 20, 2021 Rick has a point. The novelty of smart cars has definitely worn off up here and prices are way cheaper. Could be worth finding out what paperwork is involved in importing. American dealers buy used cars from our dealer auctions all the time when the exchange rate is favourable. Nigel Quote 2006 Volvo VNL 430, 2006 smart cabrio cdi, 2000 Triple E Topaz 30' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 So, here in Utah and the region, the gas versions are still holding higher prices. Electrics...not so much. We bought the one I listed. Paid too much probably. Having the front and rear tow bar mounts already done is valuable for us. I now have the really cool bike rack and the StowMaster 5000 tow bar for sale. The only big surprise is that the radio head unit does not work. I think it can be replaced with something better. Researching this now. Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 58 minutes ago, trimster said: The only big surprise is that the radio head unit does not work. I think it can be replaced with something better. Researching this now. Factory ICE head units have a theft prevention security code. If you're not careful, changing the battery can trigger the theft prevention. If your car didn't come with a 4 digit PIN, time to replace it. Look for a business card sized piece of cardstock, with a Mercedes logo on it. Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Darryl&Rita said: Factory ICE head units have a theft prevention security code. If you're not careful, changing the battery can trigger the theft prevention. If your car didn't come with a 4 digit PIN, time to replace it. Look for a business card sized piece of cardstock, with a Mercedes logo on it. Okay. Battery was replaced a short while ago. Maybe that triggered it. Where does one enter the code? This unit does not come on at all. Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, trimster said: Okay. Battery was replaced a short while ago. Maybe that triggered it. Where does one enter the code? This unit does not come on at all. Use the buttons on the front of the radio. I'd have to Google it myself. Your manual should have a section with it, assuming you got a manual. Without the code, you're boned. anyway. 9999 possible codes to guess your way through. Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Darryl&Rita said: Use the buttons on the front of the radio. I'd have to Google it myself. Your manual should have a section with it, assuming you got a manual. Without the code, you're boned. anyway. 9999 possible codes to guess your way through. So the radio is dead. No power. Does not fire up. I'm thinking it's toast. But I will pull it out and check for power to the connector...if I can find the right pin. Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Dead doesn't sound right. It should power up, but give an indication of "Locked" status. Crutchfield has a lot of online resources for audio and video. Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike5511 Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 On 8/18/2021 at 8:09 AM, trimster said: This thread comes at a perfect time for us. We too are getting ready to park a Smart on the truck. Want to winch it up on the truck. Where/how do I connect to it? Following with keen interest. Hook the cables to the truck battery under the drivers door and suck it right up on the truck. Mine is a 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trimster Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 Nice. I have the winch on the truck-side. I pull up a Can Am trike as well. Need to build a pull-bar across the fender/frame pull points. Fortunately my Smart has front and read pull points exposed. Should be easy. Just need to get some steel tubing like you show in your setup. I'm imagining that you have those eye bolts thru a slot in the back of the tubing? I think I will just bolt the tubing right to the pull points and call it good. Extra crash protection 🤔 Quote Robert & Lisa '14 Keystone Fuzion 315 38' 5er 2015 Volvo VNL 670, D13, iShift 'The Tartis' (ours) 2013 Smart Fortwo Passion 'K-9' 2011 CanAm Spyder RT Limited (Ours) We are both USAF vets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nigel Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 To mount the draw bar like you want Robert you may need some bolts like this. https://smartmadness.com/?route=product%2Fsearch&search=Bumper+bolts The tow eyes are an uncommon thread but some of the bike racks were mounted that way so you may already have the bolts. Others have pulled from a trailer hitch also. Nigel Quote 2006 Volvo VNL 430, 2006 smart cabrio cdi, 2000 Triple E Topaz 30' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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