Heavymetal Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 At the present time we have a 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire with twin Dexter 10k axles, it is setup with electric/hydraulic brakes and I would like to convert them to air/hydraulic. I have tried to search the furom for answers but figure I must be asking the wrong question. I called Dexter to find the cost of converting to true air brakes and it would take new axles to accomplish this. The disc brakes on the RV are not anti-Lock at this time so while making the conversation I would like to convert to the anti-lock at the same time. If you have made this conversation or know of a thread that covers this I would appreciate being pointed in the right direction. 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanBree Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 You will want to look at the BluDot system. Jack Mayer has this installed on his 5th wheel trailer. This converts the tractor air to hydraulic trailer brakes. Here is a link on the HDT resource guide... http://www.hhrvresource.com/node/243 Dan & Bree 2010 Freightliner Cascadia 125, DD15, 455hp, UltraShift (Yetti, For Sale) 2015 Grand Design Reflection 308BHTS Travel Trailer (For Sale) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Send me an email, I wrote couple technical of articles on the process after doing mine. Does the Newmar have disk or shoe hydraulic brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavymetal Posted November 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Send me an email, I wrote couple technical of articles on the process after doing mine. Does the Newmar have disk or shoe hydraulic brakes? I just found your article by searching Blue Dot. From what I have read so far it is the info I was looking for. This is why I love this site there is always someone here that has been there and done it. My Newmar is sitting on tandem dually 10k Dexters with disc brakes. I looked into converting to Mor/ryde but to costly ($10,200) I did talk with Dexter and new axles with true air brakes are around $2,500 each not to bad but still pricey. 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIBERNUT Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 Bludot is the way to go, I have same setup on a KA. Put the air tank under the propane bottles. NOTE- be sure to drop the trailer air when you unhook, the Dexter calipers do NOT like constant pressure. PM me for info & pics, all my air lines are hidden up to the pin box 2000 Volvo 635 A/S, N-14 Cummins"The Phoenix"'03 KA 38KSWB http://s918.photobucket.com/user/sibernut/library/?sort=6&page=1Furkids- Sibe's CH. Sedona & Tseika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Av8r3400 Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 I just found your article by searching Blue Dot. From what I have read so far it is the info I was looking for. Can you post a link to this information, please? Av8r34002012 Volvo VNL 730 D13 iShift & 2021 Grand Design Momentum 397TH I'd rather die trying to live - Than live trying not to die. -Leonard Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSeas Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 http://www.bludotinc.com/pdf-html/7-8000-series.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavymetal Posted November 14, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 One important question is, does it change the DL that you need with the air/hydraulic set up? 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DanBree Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 It shouldn't. For Minnesota, it is still an RV, regardless of how trailer brakes are activated, so the DL doesn't change. Dan & Bree 2010 Freightliner Cascadia 125, DD15, 455hp, UltraShift (Yetti, For Sale) 2015 Grand Design Reflection 308BHTS Travel Trailer (For Sale) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted November 14, 2016 Report Share Posted November 14, 2016 In Alberta, yes. I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Trailer with Blue Dot still had Hyd brakes. Just using air to control. But since it has all the components of an air brake trailer except the actual brake units would it be considered Air brakes ? Hum. Although all of us with an HDT have or should have an Air Brake endorsement? At least in Ontario. Your location may be different?? Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSeas Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Isn't the DL upgrade required by the TV? If your DL already requires an upgrade due to driving a TV with air brakes and you have complied with that requirement where does it say an DL upgrade is also required due to air/hyd trailer brakes? Where are you guys getting your info to make it a DL upgrade (endorsement) to have air/hyd brakes on a "trailer"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 Location dependant. Just because they work better, doesn't mean the powers that be want them. I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavymetal Posted November 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 I am in Texas, I am going to head the the DMV later this week and ask some questions and find out just exactly what I need and don't need. Then I will add it to my binder that I started so like others on the furom I have all my ducks in a row. I know if it quacks like a duck. 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wtgeodog Posted November 15, 2016 Report Share Posted November 15, 2016 In Texas the DL class is governed by the combined weight of the trailer and TV. When I took my driving test the examiner asked a few questions about the air system but nowhere is there any notation on the license about air brakes. ShortyO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lockmup68 Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 How much do I need to set aside for the Bluedot system and install? 3 axle dexter on a teton. 2003 International Eagle 9200i, Cummins ISX, Freedomline 2007 Teton Scottsdale XT4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 Back in March, I was quoted $512.xx, but I have hydraulic disc already. Triple 6k# Dexter axles. I'll be doing this conversion over the winter. KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 HERE is a presentation on BluDot. Along with Henry's paper that should get you going. If you have questions I'll be happy to help where I can. As I'm sure Henry will be. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDirectionHome Posted November 18, 2016 Report Share Posted November 18, 2016 With a new truck, I think you'd also want to consider this approach unless you're dead set on running air. http://www.direclink.com/direclink.html "There are No Experts, Do the Math!" 2014 Freightliner Cascadia DD16 600hp 1850ft-lb 18spd 3.31 260"wb SpaceCraft S-470 SKP #131740 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted November 19, 2016 Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 With a new truck, I think you'd also want to consider this approach unless you're dead set on running air. http://www.direclink.com/direclink.html You should consider the Direclink solution combined with ABS. But - IMO - it does not operate near as well as the BluDot. BD is truly proportional and has nothing on the truck. It works quite well. But it has downsides, like all things. I cover some of the "Cons" in my presentation. BD does have an ABS version but I'm not familiar with it. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavymetal Posted November 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2016 You should consider the Direclink solution combined with ABS. But - IMO - it does not operate near as well as the BluDot. BD is truly proportional and has nothing on the truck. It works quite well. But it has downsides, like all things. I cover some of the "Cons" in my presentation. BD does have an ABS version but I'm not familiar with it. I went to the Direcclink web site and on the left hand side it states that it works with with electric or hydraulic drum brakes it does not mention disc. I sent them a inquiry last night about disc brakes, hope to hear back by Monday. 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted November 20, 2016 Report Share Posted November 20, 2016 It works with electric over hydraulic disk brakes. Have that controller on my 2017 KW with disks on our DRV. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavymetal Posted November 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 21, 2016 It works with electric over hydraulic disk brakes. Have that controller on my 2017 KW with disks on our DRV. Thanks 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted November 22, 2016 Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 I also have it in my 2001 kenworth t2000. I love how it works. Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavymetal Posted November 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 22, 2016 Talked with them today and they said it should just fine all I need is the 9 pin cable for the Freightliner which will work on the new Western Star. Thanks for all of the input. Heavymetal 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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