General Motors to stop producing gasoline and diesel cars by 2035 and only sell electric vehicles

[RV_]

Excerpt:

"GM is pulling the plug on its diesel and gas vehicle production by 2035

In a Thursday announcement, the firm said it will then only sell electric vehicles

Eliminating gas and diesel vehicles is to help it reach carbon neutrality by 2040

General Motors (GM) has marked 2035 for when it plans to halt production of all diesel- and gasoline-powered vehicles worldwide. 

In place of the tailpipe pollution emitters, the firm will only sell electric vehicles – and is set to unleash a new line-up for the occasion.

The American carmaker made the announcement Thursday as part of its strategy to become carbon-neutral by 2040, which also includes using 100 percent renewable energy at production facilities.

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Trading in gas guzzlers for electric vehicles has been an important topic over the past few years and two US states, California and Massachusetts, have committed to making the switch by 2035.

GM is the first automaker to step forward and its shares saw a 7.4 percent increase Thursday morning because of it - it now has a market cap of about $73 billion.

More pics and news from GM included in the article with links here:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-9198789/General-Motors-stop-producing-gasoline-diesel-cars-2035-sell-electric-vehicles.html

 

California is banning all ICE age sales in 2035 of all brands. Gov. Gavin Newsom signs executive order that will require new automobiles sold in the state to be electric or otherwise zero-emissions.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/climate-environment/2020/09/23/california-electric-cars/

 

[NamMedevac 70]

He will be long gone by then into dust bin of history and others will come and go before 2035 for both the gov and POTUS.  No more heavy commercial trucks???

If they pull it off fine and if not also fine by me.

Edited January 29, 2021 by NamMedevac 70

[Barbaraok]

As Dylan said "The times, they are a changing!"

[RV_]

Nam,

Yes heavy trucks. But the semi will be ~ 2022. Musk always is overoptimistic on timelines, but never, that I know of, about producing and executing what he says he will.

Elon Musk Updates Cybertruck, Semi Timeline at Tesla Q4 Earnings Call

By Sissi Cao • 01/28/21 11:44am

https://observer.com/2021/01/elon-musk-update-cybertruck-semi-timeline-tesla-q4-call/

 

 

Tesla, Inc. (TSLA) Q4 2020 Earnings Call Transcript

TSLA Earnings Call - Final Transcript

January 27, 2021

https://news.alphastreet.com/tesla-inc-tsla-q4-2020-earnings-call-transcript/

 

 

[Mark and Dale Bruss]

When will dreamers understand that truck drivers get paid for miles driven, not hours at charge stations.

[justRich]

2 hours ago, Mark and Dale Bruss said:

When will dreamers understand that truck drivers get paid for miles driven, not hours at charge stations.

I'm just imagining it, but power stations may simply swap out batteries - not charge them.
Instead of fuel delivery tankers, we'll see tankers loaded with batteries.
Pumps will be antiquated - robotic battery swappers standard.

 

[Dutch_12078]

47 minutes ago, Rich&Sylvia said:

I'm just imagining it, but power stations may simply swap out batteries - not charge them.
Instead of fuel delivery tankers, we'll see tankers loaded with batteries.
Pumps will be antiquated - robotic battery swappers standard.

Tesla was testing the swap concept back in 2014. I have no idea where that program stands now.

https://www.tesla.com/blog/battery-swap-pilot-program?redirect=no

[orca]

A few years ago i had to laugh at the hypocrisy of electric vehicles in Europe when i saw a picture of a charging station powered by a diesel generator.  

The value of an electric car is driven (pun intended) by the life of the battery pac.  I once watched a video about a 6 year old car that was destined for the crusher because the battery pack could no longer hold a charge and a new pac was too expensive to replace.  To try to save the environment with current battery technology is false economy!  Until they build a battery that pollutes less and is carbon neutral, I will continue to save the planet with my clean burning turbo four banger gas engine! (diesel truck not withstanding) 😇

[jcussen]

 

Most current Tesla cars are expected to last at least 500000 miles before  major battery  degradation.  Newer models are expected to go about  2000000 miles and can be recycled after that.

https://electrek.co/2019/04/16/tesla-battery-recycling-system/

https://auto.hindustantimes.com/auto/news/tesla-battery-with-life-span-of-two-million-miles-a-possibility-41603083234925.html

[Barbaraok]

5 hours ago, Mark and Dale Bruss said:

When will dreamers understand that truck drivers get paid for miles driven, not hours at charge stations.

So they pull into a charge station and take one of the mandatory 'time outs' and are charged while resting, taking a shower, having dinner, sleeping, etc.  You have no idea what will be possible by the time to move to battery long haul trucks - maybe they will all be fuel cells instead.  Plus, we should be moving more 'stuff' via rail.  And who says there will be drivers in those trucks in 15-20 yrs?

[Barbaraok]

42 minutes ago, orca said:

A few years ago i had to laugh at the hypocrisy of electric vehicles in Europe when i saw a picture of a charging station powered by a diesel generator.  

The value of an electric car is driven (pun intended) by the life of the battery pac.  I once watched a video about a 6 year old car that was destined for the crusher because the battery pack could no longer hold a charge and a new pac was too expensive to replace.  To try to save the environment with current battery technology is false economy!  Until they build a battery that pollutes less and is carbon neutral, I will continue to save the planet with my clean burning turbo four banger gas engine! (diesel truck not withstanding) 😇

And in 15 years?  You have no imagination if you can't see the possibilities coming down the pike. 15 years ago, were you using a smart phone?  I still had a PDA at work and was so happy with it.  My mother was born in a Soddy on the Montana plains.  By the time she died at 97, she'd flown to Australia and back and did FaceTime with her granddaughter (who traveled to Australia with her)!  You're stuck in the past, with what is comfortable.  As Dylan said:  "The Times They Are A Changing"

[jcussen]

Yeup, its the future, Tesla's Megacharger, will be able to refuel a Tesla Semi for 400 mile of driving in 30 minutes, faster than a normal truck fueling stop.. Not today, but very possible in the future.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-megacharger-charging-port-close-up-look/

[RV_]

It is going to electric. If you genuinely want to follow the progress and be informed on the progress or lack thereof, sign up for the CleanTechnica newsletter here: https://cleantechnica.com/

It is change, and simply change. The answers to all your questions can be found in just that one newsletter. If it frightens you then get informed. 

I have found that if I'm interested in something enough to try to resist it, then I need to learn more about it.

Here in 2000-2005 or so, I talked a lot about Tesla and got the same negative responses I got from folks claiming Fusion will never happen because they didn't crack the code on their watch.

We could have stopped and still be using Biplanes and props for airlines. I am sure the first German jets woke some folks up.

Nothing is ever possible until it is. Put another way science and tech advances will never stop.

A perfect example I know is that battery pack reuse and recycling is a growing sector of electric transportation/tools/computers/hearing aids/phones/backup power supplies/ well, everything that runs on batteries. Research for the next best battery tech will continue.

Twenty years ago I would say that battery operated tools and rechargeable AA and AAA batteries were a waste of money because I had to remember to put them on charge the day before I needed them. They lost their charges almost overnight. Minor changes in the chemistry to NIMH and Lithium ion batteries have made rechargeable batteries hold up to 90% give or take of their charge for a year! Back then the NiCad batteries ran for a short time. I am done with maintaining gas cans, two stroke oil etc. The only oils I keep are chainsaw bar oil for my Ryobi battery chain saw, and spray oil for my gun maintenance and other hinges etc.

I have most of the 18Volt 1+ tools and with ten or so 2AH - 6Ah batteries, and the six battery smart charger which conditions them as well, my batteries last much longer. But their power and run time is what I try to get across to folks. See they are making a full size string trimmer and edger that runs on those 18 volt batteries and run on one 6Ah battery longer than I need for an in town large corner front yard. As well my 60 volt Greenworks 21" push mower does not run out before I am done. Really. I just used my Greenworks 60 volt Snow Blower a few days ago. The push mower came with a 6Ah battery and the Snow blower a 4Ah 60 volt battery. I have a long sidewalk to clear and my back can't take shoveling that much. I do my double drive, and about 150 feet just for mine, I now do the next two neighbor's sidewalks too. And my snow blower is not self propelled. No pain, EZPZ. I had DEwalt 12 volt tools with NiCads when we were fulltiming. If I had these new LiIon batteries and tools back then if needed my tools would work even a month after starting boondocking.

We keep a small pancake compressor and hoses but my Ryobi inflator does not involve getting out extension cords, hoses, and tools, just to do a short job like replacing a mower blade or change a tire. My 1+ 1/2" impact wrench is every bit a potent as my air 1/2".

I expect my Model Y to need new batteries at some point and expect to pay from $5k - $10k for a replacement. I am looking forward to that if I live that long because the battery tech will improve.

But I outlined the rechargeable tools and cars because in a relatively short time the 1+ 18 volt works as well or better than corded or gas tools.

Important! I used those examples because there are two sides to battery powered anything. The motors and efficiency of the systems have also grown to allow more efficient and easier to power tools and vehicles. When they crack the rest of magnetic refrigeration our energy needs will plummet. Like LED lighting, solar powered calculators and chargers for our ubiquitous 5 volt electronics. My 65" TVs and streaming over WiFi were deemed impossible just 20 years ago. Remember seeing jagged sqaures for Pixesl on our early systems. Now I get better than full HD on my 12.5" Surface pro 4 and 7 tablets and it charges in very little time with the USB C and my 65 and 100 Watt GaN smart chargers. Never mind that it runs almost ten hours on a charge and can run Windows 10 pro and all my desktop programs. and is as thinner than a paperback book! Everything I own in tech toys are smaller and better than I ever dreamed possible with my Cathode ray poor standard definition TVs and computer monitors. I still look down at my tablet and think my goodness, this was science fiction when we full timed 1997-2003.

So if you are interested start getting the CleanTechnica newsletter and see what is happening today, and what is being worked on for tomorrow.

I think the world is exciting and getting more so.

[Mark and Dale Bruss]

59 minutes ago, jcussen said:

Yeup, its the future, Tesla's Megacharger, will be able to refuel a Tesla Semi for 400 mile of driving in 30 minutes, faster than a normal truck fueling stop.. Not today, but very possible in the future.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-megacharger-charging-port-close-up-look/

That would be a normal fuel stop that picks up 1200 miles of diesel?

[RV_]

56 minutes ago, jcussen said:

Yeup, its the future, Tesla's Megacharger, will be able to refuel a Tesla Semi for 400 mile of driving in 30 minutes, faster than a normal truck fueling stop.. Not today, but very possible in the future.

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-semi-megacharger-charging-port-close-up-look/

I was typing when you posted. They are talking 500-1000 mile range with what Musk and others are working on now for my car. I keep a our 2019 Subaru Forester just in case we need to travel cross country in the next few years. Ten years from now I will be 79 and may need to pay to download the full self driving software. The car came with the computer and cameras for it, it is just a download away when they finish beta and it is safe to sleep in it. Not now like the idiots doing it in beta.

I believe we can have our tech and a clean environment too.

 

[jcussen]

5 minutes ago, Mark and Dale Bruss said:

That would be a normal fuel stop that picks up 1200 miles of diesel?

But how many hours can he drive a day legally?

[RV_]

Mark, we are just beginning. Back in Henry Ford's day a horse did not need to stop for fuel but once a day from our pockets and free graze when waiting for us others. Why proceed with mechanical cars then? 20 mule teams worked fine then, no?

Mark all your answers are online about the how and why. I'm looking to invest in some of that new Fusion or maybe even an electric/solar aircraft company, if Musk is too busy going to Mars to do it.

Musk can't do everything. Still plenty of opportunity.

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by RV_

[Barbaraok]

10 minutes ago, Mark and Dale Bruss said:

That would be a normal fuel stop that picks up 1200 miles of diesel?

Does someone drive 1200 miles in a day?  If not, what's the problem.  Overnight stops will be at plugin locations.  Again, you assume that we will still be doing long haul by trucks.  I don't assume that will hold true.

[RV_]

10 minutes ago, jcussen said:

But how many hours can he drive a day legally?

What driver? Vehicles will soon be autonomous relatively speaking. Ten years at most? Twenty years for Semis because the algorithms for turning and navigating a long articulated tractor and trailer in town will require road miles to perfect. Perfect it we will.

Edited January 29, 2021 by RV_

[jcussen]

True, but even if they do have to have a driver, for say a string of 20 trucks, that driver will still have to follow the FMCSA guidelines, which allows for plenty of charging time.

https://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/hours-service/summary-hours-service-regulations

Edited January 29, 2021 by jcussen

[RV_]

jcussen, coming here to tell about new successes in tech and what is being worked on still informs a lot of folks. I am getting to the point of just asking the naysayers to show me why it won't work. "Because it didn't last time the naysayers tried" is really getting old, as are the naysayers!

Have you seen the new ranges and under 2 second 0-60 times of the new Model S Plaid? Tesla is now the fastest vehicle made, period.

https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/28/tesla-model-s-plaid-quickest-car-ever/

And my fast but not that crazy fast AWD two motor long range Model Y still shocks noobs who have never been in one.  It cost less than a Mercedes big engine SUV by ~ half! mine costs ~51k now!

Edited January 29, 2021 by RV_

[orca]

Electric vehicles are not as green as some would have us believe.  There is a cost to the planet no matter how it is generated.  We have a problem with heavy metals leaching into the headwaters of our hydro-electric dams.  The carbon footprint of wind power generators when built and decommissioned is never taken into account, not to mention the toll of millions migrating birds!  Don't even get me started on nuclear power.....think Three Mile Island or Chyrnoble Ukrane.

The pollution caused by the mining of minerals to manufacture batteries is totally ignored by the people who tout electric cars.  The low cost of the actual electricity is very attractive to the buyer but the dirty little secret behind the curtain is never spoken about.

I know that one day there will be long lasting, quick charging non polluting method for transportation.........just not today or probably within my lifetime! 

[RV_]

Discussing the Plaid Model S, Elon Musk explained, “we’ll be delivering next month. So this is a tri-motor Model S with a completely new interior … [which] will be the first production car ever that is able to go 0 to 60 miles an hour in under two seconds. So, no production car, ever, has been able to get below two seconds zero to 60. This is a luxury sedan that is able to go 0 to 60 in less than two seconds.”

Musk added, “This is faster, to be clear, than any car. It’s not like there was a different type of car, like a two-door sports car that was able to be the fastest accelerating car ever made …  allowed to go on roads, in history. And like I say, we’ll start delivering it in a matter of weeks.”

A look at how the new Plaid Model S stacks up against the competition. Source: https://cleantechnica.com/2021/01/28/tesla-model-s-plaid-quickest-car-ever/

Edited January 29, 2021 by RV_

[RV_]

Orca, that's why I am excited about the many companies seeing money in developing a net plus fusion reactor. And I believe we will in my lifetime, hopefully another five years, ten more to transition.

Lots of folks never even google why is fusion a better way or I would not hear so many talking about how it will be like Fission nuclear energy.

 

Clean

Fusion produces zero greenhouse gas emissions, emitting only helium as exhaust. It also requires less land than other renewable technologies.

Safe

Fusion energy is inherently safe, with zero possibility of a meltdown scenario and no long lived waste.

Abundant

There is enough fusion fuel to power the planet for hundreds of millions of years. A fusion power plant runs on deuterium and tritium, isotopes which can be extracted from seawater and derived from lithium.

On Demand

Fusion can produce energy on-demand, and is not affected by weather. Because it is also safe and produces no pollution, a fusion power plant can be located close to where it is required.

Source: https://generalfusion.com/what-are-the-benefits-of-fusion-energy/#:~:text=Fusion can produce energy on-demand, and is not,be located close to where it is required.

Back to my comments. It is projected for 2025.

If it is not in my lifetime and I invest in it my kids will inherit. My lifetime? Heck they are cracking age reversal in the labs now. Probably won't help me but I have grandchildren. My son waited u very late to change his mind and have two kids which he did. He is still raising them very well. In talking to him we talked about how great the kids are doing with school etc. (five and three y/o he is 46) and he mentioned he doubts he will be around when they graduate from post graduate school. I certainly won't see that. Guess I should stop helping and caring to get them there?

Remember everyone here making fun of Musk saying he will change the world over to electric, and it appears he did just now for the next decade. I still grin when I think of all the know it alls trying to make fun of him then , and now NASA has put the mission on the calendars, final dates TBD.

I will watch in awe and wonder. The ICE age is over. I am willing to bet on fusion being a reality in a few years in my lifetime. But my vision extends to my kids and grand kids. They are going to get all my remaining money anyway. I love em!

 

Edited January 29, 2021 by RV_

[RV_]

Oh, and we can use the helium by product of fusion to make helium airships for loads that are not in a rush and leisurely air travel. (with electric motors of course)

Edited January 29, 2021 by RV_