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Jim & Wilma Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Interesting and informative, thanks for posting. Jim & Wilma 2006 Travel Supreme 36RLQSO 2009 Volvo VNL730, D13, I-shift, ET, Herrin Hauler bed, "Ruby" 2017 Smart Class of 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted November 9, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 Back in the day, I used the incorrect grease on the headbolt of a Cummins 1710. I never made that mistake again. So many times we hear about someone's "X" brand torque wrench being better than another's "Y" brand torque wrench. All the while, it's the K that will get 'ya. 2012 F350 KR CC DRW w/ some stuff 2019 Arctic Fox 32-5MCindy and Tom, Kasey and Maggie (our Newfie and Berner) Oh...I forgot the five kids. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted November 9, 2017 Report Share Posted November 9, 2017 When I was doing propeller repair in the AMY I used a dial micrometer to measure the stretch of the assembly bolts as stretch was the true indication to the clamping pressure. Torque was not accurate enough. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exile Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Turn of the nut is frequently used in drilling industry, but i have yet to see it used for automotive uses. I havent seen huck bolts anywhere but on truck frames, but i can see their usefulness. 98 379 with 12.7 DD LG Dodge w/5.9 CTD Chrome habit I’m trying to kick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mdonewiththis forum Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I wish I could see youtube videos....... This campground wifi won't let me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Av8r3400 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 4 minutes ago, Exile said: Turn of the nut is frequently used in drilling industry, but i have yet to see it used for automotive uses. I havent seen huck bolts anywhere but on truck frames, but i can see their usefulness. I have seen light torque plus degreed turn often used in the automotive and aircraft industry. Av8r34002012 Volvo VNL 730 D13 iShift & 2021 Grand Design Momentum 397TH I'd rather die trying to live - Than live trying not to die. -Leonard Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 7 minutes ago, Av8r3400 said: I have seen light torque plus degreed turn often used in the automotive and aircraft industry. There was a group of Cummins enthusiasts that had this guy named Mongo as part of the group.... Mongo had torque values of grunts... 1short huff=125ftlb, 1 quiet grunt=150ish, 1 vocal grunt=175, loud=200 and on up to about 250ftlbs. He was pretty accurate... Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 We use either turn of the nut or a DTI (Direct Tension Indicator) washer in the structural steel world. Auto and truck for newer vehicles include a lot of torque to yield fasteners where you hit a torque value and turn an additional number of degrees past that to elongate the bolt to get the correct clamping force. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mdonewiththis forum Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 13 minutes ago, GeorgiaHybrid said: Auto and truck for newer vehicles include a lot of torque to yield fasteners where you hit a torque value and turn an additional number of degrees past that to elongate the bolt to get the correct clamping force. That's the way the headbolts are on my little Cummins. Three torque values then it was +90* for final torque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Even John Deere is using tension fastening. The stalk roll nuts on my corn head are torqued to a low value, then turned another 60 degrees to get the final clamping force. But they still come loose. KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mdonewiththis forum Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 minute ago, rickeieio said: Even John Deere is using tension fastening. The stalk roll nuts on my corn head are torqued to a low value, then turned another 60 degrees to get the final clamping force. But they still come loose. Red Locktite? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Mntom said: Red Locktite? Cone washers and new nuts, with the lock-tite already in them, green of course. Of course, there's more than one "red" and other colors. The fly wheel on the end of the crank in my old Honda drag bike is held on by red 271, stud and bearing mount. KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'mdonewiththis forum Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, rickeieio said: Of course, there's more than one "red" and other colors. I knew there was, but couldn't remember the numbers. I haven't been around that stuff for a few years.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beyerjf Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 What I find a bit peculiar. I was looking at a new 2018 Western Star daycab right next to a new 2018 Freightliner Cascadia daycab at my local Freightliner dealer. The Cascadia used huck bolts almost exclusively in the frame crossmember and suspension points, the Western Star used bolts in all the same locations. I wish these engineer types would make up their minds.... Jeff Beyer temporarily retired from Trailer Transit 2000 Freightliner Argosy Cabover 2008 Work and Play 34FK Homebase NW Indiana, no longer full time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrap Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 I've Hucked a Skidmore like the vid before...... Took it back to the toolroom and he just about blew a gasket. Won't be doing that again!! Not speaking Volvos, but Hucks are optional. You can pick em if you want em. Even at that, most critical bolts over 150~ish mm are going to be bolted TTY (AG380/FlexAir frame brackets are examples of this). If you don't pick Hucks then your two critical Xmembers, skinny suspension frame brackets (AG400, ADZ), and 5th wheel mounts are going to be TC fasteners. TC fasteners look like bolts but they are not. If it doesn't have a flange nut or a nyloc nut then it is probably TC. The other giveaway is that they are installed nuts out: How they work: http://lejeunebolt.com/lbc/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/howthetcboltworks.pdf (ironworkers use the rivet head, trucks use a hex head) How they are installed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2JlzSJao__k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 A oilfield air ride! "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hone eagle Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 12 hours ago, Exile said: Turn of the nut is frequently used in drilling industry, but i have yet to see it used for automotive uses. I havent seen huck bolts anywhere but on truck frames, but i can see their usefulness. i worked for Ford engine and way back in the mid '90s we were started using light tork and degree of rotation (to a % of yield) on mains and head bolts 2005 volvo 670 freedomline singledNewmar Torrey Pine 34rskswoot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoDirectionHome Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 14 hours ago, beyerjf said: I wish these engineer types would make up their minds.... They're an option. "There are No Experts, Do the Math!" 2014 Freightliner Cascadia DD16 600hp 1850ft-lb 18spd 3.31 260"wb SpaceCraft S-470 SKP #131740 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoenig24 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Very interesting & informative. Thanks for posting that video! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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