Proof of vaccine required for Escapees events?

[RV_]

Kirk well said bud, once again my hat is off to you.

[Barbaraok]

1 hour ago, GlennWest said:

I may be forced to get mine. 

Still working and some requiring it. As I understand it two treatments. So will have to wait till get back in Texas. DW won't get vaccinated. She was put in hospital by first flu shot she got. That was years ago but she don't trust them now.

 

 

The J&J is one and done, though it looks like they will also have the booster at 6 months.   Flu shots are completely different and your wife is being fool-hardy for believing that all vaccinations will do the same to her.  I just feel sorry because without being vaccinated, it is starting to look like it is almost even chances of getting one of the new variants that can end your life.  With vaccination, the change of getting seriously ill (ie hospitalized) is very, very low.  

[GlennWest]

Being foolish, no. She rarely gets sick and I never even see a doctor. Wife can get a cold and i don't. I am blessed with a terrific immune system. And I can't blame her. Getting a CDC approved flu shot and get hospitalized is enough to make one wary..

[RV_]

Thanks for the reminder Barb.

Yep we will be getting our annual flu shots in early October too, hopefully at the same time as our COVID booster.

[Kirk W]

15 hours ago, Danandfreda said:

Not sure of going to any escapees rally’s would benefit us as we have been camping/rving our whole Iives and don’t need the few who just started to tell us how to do it. 

This may be slightly off subject, but I did want to suggest that you consider taking a second look at the Escapee events. Like you, we joined for the mail service and I also liked the magazine. We too had been RVing for about 25 years before we chose to retire and of fulltime and for that reason we never attended any events at first. We did spend some time in a couple of the co-op parks as 1 was located near grandchildren but rallies were just not on our agenda. I believe it was our tenth year that we attended our first Escapade. Since that event we have missed only 1 or 2 and I have learned that there is always something new that I will find interesting. I have attended training by the weather bureau on how to read weather, listened to one on trusts and wills, new innovations in RVs, and literally dozens of other things that we all do but which have little to do with learning about our RV. But the best part of such gatherings is not the seminars, socials, entertainment, or any of the programed things but it is the people we have met there and the new friends that we have made. Covid will not last forever so as things improve, you may find it worthwhile to reconsider. 

[Kirk W]

1 hour ago, RV_ said:

Kirk well said bud, once again my hat is off to you.

You have a really cute granddaughter! She must take after her grandmother's side?  😁  You make some very good points and like you we have become very selective about who comes into our house or we spend time with.  Being a people person that has been difficult for me, but since I am 9 years older and married 9 years more too, I still want to see a few more of each. 

1 hour ago, GlennWest said:

Getting a CDC approved flu shot and get hospitalized is enough to make one wary..

I do know where you are coming from on that as my eldest son had a similar experience when he was in college, in the early 90's. When covid began getting really bad in the Dallas area he became convinced that he should check into getting the covid vaccine. His allergist wanted to know what vaccine it was but Arizona State didn't have records back that far. After a lot of discussion with his doctor, he did get both Pfizer shots but in his doctor's office and they had him stay in their waiting room for about 90 minutes after each shot. 

1 hour ago, RangeMaggotBob said:

That's pretty much it for me and the Escapees RV club; I will not be renewing. 

Did you read the new policy for attending events? It is easy enough to show your card since you are vaccinated so you would be able to attend. Your reaction baffles me.

Life is a series of choices and very little that we choose to do comes with nothing surrendered to get it. If we choose to drive on the public roads we must register our automobile, buy liability insurance for it, and get a driver's license. If you want to travel internationally, you must have a passport. Most clubs and social organizations have rules that we must conform to if we wish to be members. If you choose to drink alcohol you are not allowed to drive your car.  Without a doubt we each have every right to choose not to be vaccinated but I have a right to not be exposed to those who are not vaccinated. Sometimes there must be a line drawn where one individual's rights end and another's begin. It would be nice if everyone could do anything that they wish but as the population increases we spend more and more time in close proximity to others. Even the cavepeople made up rules to live by as they banded together for mutual benefit. The larger the group becomes the more complex the rules inevitably become because we differ on how each should act to the others. It is very easy to agree that the rules should be fair to everyone, but the problem is that we do not agree on what is fair. 

[GlennWest]

26 minutes ago, Kirk W said:

You have a really cute granddaughter! She must take after her grandmother's side?  😁  You make some very good points and like you we have become very selective about who comes into our house or we spend time with.  Being a people person that has been difficult for me, but since I am 9 years older and married 9 years more too, I still want to see a few more of each. 

I do know where you are coming from on that as my eldest son had a similar experience when he was in college, in the early 90's. When covid began getting really bad in the Dallas area he became convinced that he should check into getting the covid vaccine. His allergist wanted to know what vaccine it was but Arizona State didn't have records back that far. After a lot of discussion with his doctor, he did get both Pfizer shots but in his doctor's office and they had him stay in their waiting room for about 90 minutes after each shot. 

Did you read the new policy for attending events? It is easy enough to show your card since you are vaccinated so you would be able to attend. Your reaction baffles me.

Life is a series of choices and very little that we choose to do comes with nothing surrendered to get it. If we choose to drive on the public roads we must register our automobile, buy liability insurance for it, and get a driver's license. If you want to travel internationally, you must have a passport. Most clubs and social organizations have rules that we must conform to if we wish to be members. If you choose to drink alcohol you are not allowed to drive your car.  Without a doubt we each have every right to choose not to be vaccinated but I have a right to not be exposed to those who are not vaccinated. Sometimes there must be a line drawn where one individual's rights end and another's begin. It would be nice if everyone could do anything that they wish but as the population increases we spend more and more time in close proximity to others. Even the cavepeople made up rules to live by as they banded together for mutual benefit. The larger the group becomes the more complex the rules inevitably become because we differ on how each should act to the others. It is very easy to agree that the rules should be fair to everyone, but the problem is that we do not agree on what is fair. 

I agree with you and others here. Today's politics have hurt this issue mostly. 

[Kirk W]

19 minutes ago, GlennWest said:

Today's politics have hurt this issue mostly. 

I think that recent politics have hurt all of us in many different ways and issues. As an avid reader of history, I think that we are on the brink of the sort of political upheaval that took place during the civil war. Friends and families are breaking apart over disagreements that used to just end in lively debates with relationships unimpaired. 

[bigjim]

i think I would bet a million dollars if I had that much that Escapees would rather not deal with covid.  I can not think of any entity that wants to deal with it.  But just like any disaster you have to deal with it the best and most responsible way you can.  You would do the same thing to prepare for and recover from a natural disaster.

 

[Zulu]

3 hours ago, beemergary said:

Just because you got the experimental drug . . .

Your argument isn't helped by the numerous writing errors you made (see below). Look into an online writing course like this one.

"You're the scary ones" not "Your the scary ones"

"Did you check to see if you had it and now have the God-given immune antibodies?"
not
"Did you get check before to see if you had it and now have the God given immune antibodies now?"

"vaccinated Norwegian" not "vacinated Norwiegen"

"socialism" not "socializm"

"veterans" not "vetrans"

"You still have the freedom of choice" not "you still have the freedom choice"

 

[Kirk W]

6 minutes ago, bigjim said:

I can not think of any entity that wants to deal with it.  But just like any disaster you have to deal with it the best and most responsible way you can. 

You can be sure of that. I know what we went through with Escapade just past. One thing that could also be a factor is the Escapee liability insurance. I am sure that they carry it and who knows what an underwriter might demand? I recently read that some larger companies have health insurance that is charging a higher rate for employees who are not vaccinated, or raising the per employee rate with a discount for those who are vaccinated.

[bigjim]

36 minutes ago, Kirk W said:

You can be sure of that. I know what we went through with Escapade just past. One thing that could also be a factor is the Escapee liability insurance. I am sure that they carry it and who knows what an underwriter might demand? I recently read that some larger companies have health insurance that is charging a higher rate for employees who are not vaccinated, or raising the per employee rate with a discount for those who are vaccinated.

Exactly so. Some people take it personally when business really has no choice. Not just from a direct legal standpoint but also financial standpoint.  I just like to the think that Escapees is doing the right, reponsible, thing and in the best way they can given the circumstance. I would feel that way and respect them even if I disagreed with them on this.

[bigjim]

1 hour ago, Zulu said:

Your argument isn't helped by the numerous writing errors

i think you are upset as am I. I could not disagree with the person you are upset with more but I think this critisim is not valid. I have followed you overtime and I don't think this is the real you. I hope this will be taken as constructive critisim.  See I can't spell either🙂 but I still manage to convey some useful information once in a while. Let's have a contest and see who among us is being driven the craziest by all this.

[2gypsies]

4 hours ago, GlennWest said:

Being foolish, no. She rarely gets sick and I never even see a doctor. Wife can get a cold and i don't. I am blessed with a terrific immune system. And I can't blame her. Getting a CDC approved flu shot and get hospitalized is enough to make one wary..

Did you know you could be hospitalized for take an aspirin?  Or any other common medication?  Just because someone gets an adverse reaction doesn't mean the drug isn't safe.  The adverse reaction is because of the person's body chemistry.  No one is the same.

Freedoms are talked about but no one has the freedom to willfully harm another person.  One can not have any symptoms of having Covid but still can pass it on to someone else.

[GlennWest]

But we don't get sick. And she don't if she leaves vaccinations alone

[2gypsies]

30 minutes ago, GlennWest said:

But we don't get sick. And she don't if she leaves vaccinations alone

... but was it only that one vaccination?  Hasn't she had all the childhood-types of vaccination.

All vaccinations don't have the same compounds.

[beemergary]

1 hour ago, 2gypsies said:

... but was it only that one vaccination?  Hasn't she had all the childhood-types of vaccination.

All vaccinations don't have the same compounds.

This one has a messenger Messenger rna never used before and studied.

[Dutch_12078]

11 minutes ago, beemergary said:

This one has a messenger Messenger rna never used before and studied.

mRNA was first discovered in the 60's, but only seriously studied for disease prevention for the past couple of decades...

[Barbaraok]

45 minutes ago, beemergary said:

This one has a messenger Messenger rna never used before and studied.

Are you trying to say mRNA, which is a segment of messengerRNA  that causes the immune system to recognize the Covid virus as a threat and go into action.  There is the J&J vaccine which uses the adenovirus protocols.   And the mRNA have been studied for decades, the fact that you don't know about it is ok, since you aren't a biochemistry or have any literacy in any science area.  BUT, that doesn't make if something weird, or new, or wrong.   EVERYTHING IS NEW at some point, that's why we have protocols on how to see if the 'new' is at least as good as the old, and hopefully a lot better.   For instance, invermectin is a great drug for treating PARASITIC illnesses, like head lice, malaria, lots of difference tropical parasitic diseases, and heart worms in dogs, and other worms in all shorts of live stock.  The drug has been thoroughly tested, the mechanism of action is known, and it works wonderfully on parasites!  ON PARASITES.  Not on viruses.  

I'm sure you remember you basic middle school/ high school biology that taught that viruses are not alive or dead:

• Viruses are microscopic organisms that are known to be the connecting link between living and non-living.
• These were not placed under the five-kingdom classification since they are neither living nor dead. Hence, they form their own group.
• Viruses are devoid of cells and cell organelles. Therefore, they depend upon the machinery of the host cell to replicate and synthesize proteins.
• Viruses are usually smaller than bacteria in size. The first virus to be discovered was the Tobacco mosaic virus (TMV) that infects the tobacco plant.
• Viruses basically consist of genetic material i.e. nucleic acid (DNA or RNA) surrounded by a protein capsule. 

We have people who earn Nobel Prizes for their work on DNA and RNA (Watson & Crick come to mind?).  So nothing "new" here.

[D&J]

I'm just going to post one time on this. We both got the Pfizer double shot when we got back to our home base in late April only because we travel and will be back on the road again for the winter shortly. The wife had very few side affects but me as usual I've just now have gotten past all the side affects I've been dealing with (do the math on length of time it's taken me) so if someone doesn't want to get the shot because they know they have side affects from variations don't you can trust me on that it's very nasty. If they want us to get a booster they will get the middle finger from me because life is to short to lose a summer agian. If they won't let you in some place just go elsewhere they don't need your business or they think they don't. There are some of us that just can't tolerate meds or vacanations especially unproven ones, we know are bodies not someone PRACTICING medicine, we have to be our own advocates when it comes to our health, I know what's best for my body and will not listen to any so called experts again. 

Denny