The future of RVing as many know it is doomed

[pjstough]

On 5/31/2021 at 2:19 AM, NamMedevac 70 said:

Please show me a link to your evidence. Cheers for you.

Every pessimist who ever lived has been buried in an unmarked grave. Tomorrow has always been better than today, and it always will be.

Paul Harvey

[Kirk W]

21 minutes ago, pjstough said:

Every pessimist who ever lived has been buried in an unmarked grave.

I do agree with the first part and I hope that the second part is true as well.  History has not always supported the last part of the quote.  😏

[Kirk W]

Here is another related story from RV Travel.

RV park owner throws in the towel. The business has changed, even shockingly

[NamMedevac 70]

On 6/2/2021 at 1:02 PM, pjstough said:

Every pessimist who ever lived has been buried in an unmarked grave. Tomorrow has always been better than today, and it always will be.

Paul Harvey

You still don't get it bud where is Paul Harvey's evidence.  To me there was  nothing  special about Harvey.   In the Army our drill sgts said everyone has an opinion just like           but I guess everyone needs a so called guru to look up to but not me.   Happy Trails to you as Roy and Dale use to sing.

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P.S. By the way I liked Roy and met him and Trigger at a Waco rodeo but he was no guru to me and just another actor. Also I cannot see comments from certain persons.

Edited June 6, 2021 by NamMedevac 70

[Dutch_12078]

41 minutes ago, Kirk W said:

Here is another related story from RV Travel.

RV park owner throws in the towel. The business has changed, even shockingly

The article pretty much covers why my wife and I have moved almost entirely to state and national parks over the past few years, with just an occasional overnight at private parks while in transit. Two of our former favorite private parks lost us when corporate interests took over and immediately began stuffing additional sites between the existing sites to almost double the capacity while raising prices up to 50% depending on the demand at the time.

[NamMedevac 70]

Yes I stopped using private RV Parks many years ago except on rare occasions.  I have always liked the Federal and state and some county/city parks in a more natural less crowded setting.  Even then I never camp there on holidays and only a few weekends.  Then I camp on remote BLM lands in the NW.  My  last private park was a nice Indian park in Salem Oregon and it was less than half full.  I read a lot of articles from RV Travel a good read.

As a full disabled vet I receive free or 50% off discounted camping and day use fees at all Federal campgrounds and state parks in Oregon, Nevada, sometimes California and formerly Texas.  Happy Camper here.

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Edited June 6, 2021 by NamMedevac 70

[2gypsies]

This states most rentals in Europe are diesel:

http://www.motorhome-international.com/template/default.asp?PageId=467&catId=2&maincat=1

.... and diesel is popular in Europe:

https://rentar.com/europeans-drive-diesel-cars-dont-americans/

[rynosback]

On 6/2/2021 at 8:33 AM, Barbaraok said:

And no one, no one, said electric 18-wheelers will be running down the highway and climbing the Rockies in the next few years.   BUT things will change.  Many of us will not live to see the changes, but they are coming.  Organisms that do not adapt and change eventually die out.  

I think it is going to happen faster then you think. 5-10 years you more the. Likely will not be able to buy a combustion engine car and pick-up. Might be 15 for semi’s. 

[NamMedevac 70]

Speculating and guessing games are a lot of fun to pass the time between fishing trips.  Cheers

[pjstough]

3 hours ago, NamMedevac 70 said:

Speculating and guessing games are a lot of fun to pass the time between fishing trips.  Cheers

👍👍

[bruce t]

The market will determine any changes. Let ing the politicians try to legislate any change will guarantee a complete stuff up. And it won't happen in the next 5 to 10 years. Manufacturers are working on models many years before that. An you can be sure the oil industry has a say in the timeline.

 

[slackercruster]

On 5/30/2021 at 9:04 PM, Zulu said:

Actually, it should be titled "The future of Class A Diesel Pusher RVing . . . "

And this companion piece . . .

From Horse Dung to Car Smog

Yes, that is right.

I'd never buy a Class A bus. I'd crack it up in no time. My dream is a moderate to small size Class C.

I had read diesel is better for survival than gas as diesel is easier to store safely in bulk. But then read all the horror stories of diesel problems with dirt and water in it. Anyway, Class C or diesel is not in my future until I hit the lotto.

[slackercruster]

On 6/7/2021 at 12:56 AM, rynosback said:

I think it is going to happen faster then you think. 5-10 years you more the. Likely will not be able to buy a combustion engine car and pick-up. Might be 15 for semi’s. 

Where are all the apartment dwellers going to charge up? Extension cords out their windows? It would destroy America.

[Lou Schneider]

2 hours ago, slackercruster said:

Yes, that is right.

I'd never buy a Class A bus. I'd crack it up in no time. My dream is a moderate to small size Class C.

I had read diesel is better for survival than gas as diesel is easier to store safely in bulk. But then read all the horror stories of diesel problems with dirt and water in it. Anyway, Class C or diesel is not in my future until I hit the lotto.

Diesel engines used to be more resiliant than gasoline engines, but that changed in 2007 when they added troublesome particulate filters, regeneration and DEF pollution controls to the diesel.

The added complexity and lowered reliability these emission controls add to a diesel engine is one reason automakers are coming out with large, high torque V8 engines as an alternate to medium duty diesel engines in their truck and RV markets.  Ford's 7.3L gas V-8 is the first example.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Lou Schneider

[whj469]

Almost everything that we buy has, at some point, been transported by diesel truck and I will be long dead before that changes. You can find doom and gloom regarding just about anything.

[bruce t]

Predictions of the downfall of fossil fueled vehicles is not based on facts, economics or common sense. EV's are pushed by an ideology. No more no less.

Sure some areas of this world are suited to EVs. Wealthy countries that have money and the infrastructure to support EVs. Large cities. But have a long hard look at a map of the world. Tell me how poorer countries are going to go to EVs when they haven't even yet got a power grid. Tell me how remote areas will have to install power outlets behind a rock or a tree. Tell me how the battery powered private planes are going whiz the 'elite' off to various summits that conclude that those well off are able to tell those with nothing how to live their lives and that their aspirations of improving there lot in life isn't important.

Humans are a selfish lot. Quick to take and when they have what they want lecture those who even dream about a better life. The sad thing is that we all hear the words but do nothing to stop the small percentage who are making all the noise.

The market and demand will set the pace of change. Capitalism will see to that.

 

 

 

[NamMedevac 70]

Except for a few cars at a few casinos I never see any autos being charged at the other business EV stations throughout Reno, NV area and Reno is on Interstate 80.  This includes grocery stores and some hotels. I have been observing this for over a year just out of curiosity between out of town camping and fishing trips.  Just saying.  

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[rynosback]

On 6/11/2021 at 9:21 AM, slackercruster said:

Where are all the apartment dwellers going to charge up? Extension cords out their windows? It would destroy America.

This is why NIO is going to dominate the EV space with battery swapping. Takes under 5 minutes to go from low battery to full battery. Plus you could upgrade as battery tech gets better.

[NamMedevac 70]

According to batteryuniversity a Tesla Model S EV battery weighs 1200 libs.  Interesting.       https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/electric_vehicle_ev

Cheers for the gripper.

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