COFLTravler Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 Need to ask the experts on the forum.. Really need new brake pads on my rig - it has disk brakes all around so really easy to swap out the pads...the issue is getting the wheels off and back on...always trying to save a nickel and besides love to tinker.... What are other folks doing to remove wheels ( I've done a lot of reading about the Milwaukee 1/2 gun as a possible tool) If I get a torque multiplier to remove the nuts do folks use the multiplier to reinstall and how do you know if it's torqued correctly? I know besides taking it to the shop? Mark Quote 2014 HDT Volvo 780 "Baby Bird"2016 Smart Car "Baby Bird Turd" - on the back2020 Momentum 376THSWe're both proud USAF Retirees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 A 3/4" or 1" impact will be your friend. Most shops hammer them until they quit moving and that makes it difficult for everyone. I always use a 3/4" torque wrench to put mine back on to prevent the aluminum wheel from getting cracked. If you don't have a large impact, get a torque multiplier to break them loose and then spin them off with a smaller impact. Quote 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dennisvr Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 5 hours ago, COFLTravler said: Need to ask the experts on the forum.. Really need new brake pads on my rig - it has disk brakes all around so really easy to swap out the pads...the issue is getting the wheels off and back on...always trying to save a nickel and besides love to tinker.... What are other folks doing to remove wheels ( I've done a lot of reading about the Milwaukee 1/2 gun as a possible tool) If I get a torque multiplier to remove the nuts do folks use the multiplier to reinstall and how do you know if it's torqued correctly? I know besides taking it to the shop? Mark I used my torgue multiplier on a friends truck to do a brake job, and after he took it to a tire shop and had them check them and they said they were all tight. Quote "It is better to have more truck than you need than to need more truck than you have" 2001 Volvo 660, Cummins 400 ISX, Eaton 3 Peddle Auto Shift 2014 Fuzion 40' Toyhauler 2015 Smart Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydrvr Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 2 hours ago, GeorgiaHybrid said: A 3/4" or 1" impact will be your friend. Most shops hammer them until they quit moving and that makes it difficult for everyone. I always use a 3/4" torque wrench to put mine back on to prevent the aluminum wheel from getting cracked. If you don't have a large impact, get a torque multiplier to break them loose and then spin them off with a smaller impact. I don't know if it's legal concerns or something else, but every tire shop I've been to in the last few years has snugged the lug nuts and then finished with a torque wrench. Makes me happier. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrformance Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-20743A-Digital-Adapter-Foot-Pound/dp/B009GLIT I use this to check for proper torque. Quote 2006 Volvo VNL 780, " Arvey" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2010 Forest River Coachman Freedom Express 280RLS Jackalopee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrformance Posted March 18, 2021 Report Share Posted March 18, 2021 https://www.amazon.com/Neiko-03710B-Automatic-Torque-Wrench/dp/B0017JZ846 This looks like a future purchase. Quote 2006 Volvo VNL 780, " Arvey" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift 2003 Jeep Wrangler Rubicon 2010 Forest River Coachman Freedom Express 280RLS Jackalopee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms60ocb Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Since you are in the HDT section I would recommend using the 3/4 drive. I use the Tee or Power bar with a 5 foot pipe. I have used the same pipe over 20 years breaking nuts and bolts loose. Going back I'm using 1/2 inch drive torque wrench at 150 pounds. Clay and I avoid CH Ina tools when my knuckles are involved Quote Clay & Marcie Too old to play in the snow Diesel pusher and previously 2 FW and small Class C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 13 hours ago, Jaydrvr said: I don't know if it's legal concerns or something else, but every tire shop I've been to in the last few years has snugged the lug nuts and then finished with a torque wrench. Makes me happier. Jay I've noticed that too, but it seems they tighten with the impact then check w/ the torque wrench to be sure they've gone tight enough, which of course they have........ Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaydrvr Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, rickeieio said: I've noticed that too, but it seems they tighten with the impact then check w/ the torque wrench to be sure they've gone tight enough, which of course they have........ My experience is different, but then I only use a couple regular shops. They pretty much get it close and then finish tightening with the torque wrench. Jay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 Buzzing the nuts on till they kiss is ok with a power tool. They should still move with a manual torque wrench to the desired torque and "click". If the torque wrench is set at 450lbs-ft it will "click" trying to move a 700lbs-ft fastener... Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usbusin Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 You said it perfectly, noteven. Your last sentence says it all. This, I think is what happens at most shops. Quote 2001 Freightliner FL70, Cat 3126b 300hp, 860 lb/ft, 6 speed manual Eaton/Fuller Motorhome body by Transport Designs (37 ft overall) Motorhome Specs and Pictures Our Music Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrap Posted March 19, 2021 Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 How can you tell you need new pads without being able to take the rear wheels off? Can you see the wear notches with wheels still on a Volvo? That's a frustrating thing on the KW's. Be sure to get a pocket full of new shear adapters. Those are frustrating as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COFLTravler Posted March 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Scrap said: How can you tell you need new pads without being able to take the rear wheels off? Can you see the wear notches with wheels still on a Volvo? That's a frustrating thing on the KW's. Be sure to get a pocket full of new shear adapters. Those are frustrating as well. Hey Scrap, Yes you can see the wear indicators as well as some of the pad (mine does not have the dust covers). So hear I go....decided to go with the Cheater Wrench. Also ordered their adapter (1" to 1/2"), that you can use a 1/2" torque wrench through the torque multiplier. They have a chart to set the torque wrench in relation to the multiplier to obtain the "correct" torque. We shall see - will report on my progress. Thanks for all the input Mark Quote 2014 HDT Volvo 780 "Baby Bird"2016 Smart Car "Baby Bird Turd" - on the back2020 Momentum 376THSWe're both proud USAF Retirees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 1 hour ago, COFLTravler said: They have a chart to set the torque wrench in relation to the multiplier to obtain the "correct" torque. I'd be curious to know whether they account for "frictional losses" in the torque values. I would think the multiplier would have some serious internal friction going on. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 FWIW I picked up a Milwaukee 1/2 drive fuel impact at Home Depot. I was in need to get wheels off and this fit the bill at $250. I already had 5 Amp batts. I know it’s not the higher rated impact of a 3/4” but it’s perfect for my use. It pounds off the lugs with over 1000ftbs and able to tighten them without over torquing but real close when torqued checked. Came in handy on the Morryde suspension I had to replace. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-1-2-in-Impact-Wrench-with-Pin-Detent-Tool-Only-2766-20/302675406?MERCH=REC-_-pip_alternatives-_-313511878-_-302675406-_-N& Quote Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenandjon Posted March 20, 2021 Report Share Posted March 20, 2021 11 hours ago, billr said: FWIW I picked up a Milwaukee 1/2 drive fuel impact at Home Depot. I was in need to get wheels off and this fit the bill at $250. I already had 5 Amp batts. I know it’s not the higher rated impact of a 3/4” but it’s perfect for my use. It pounds off the lugs with over 1000ftbs and able to tighten them without over torquing but real close when torqued checked. Came in handy on the Morryde suspension I had to replace. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-1-2-in-Impact-Wrench-with-Pin-Detent-Tool-Only-2766-20/302675406?MERCH=REC-_-pip_alternatives-_-313511878-_-302675406-_-N& I got that one and the Milwaukee 3/4 drive. I am kind of impressed the 1/2 does the job. I have had some lug nuts that the 3/4 struggles with. I think I over heated it the other day. Socket was so hot I couldn't touch it. But then this was an old trailer. I think Moses was still alive the last time the wheels were off. Pretty rusty. Quote Farmer, Trucker, Equipment operator, Mechanic Quando omni flunkus moritati-When all else fails, play dead I'm a man, but I can change, if I have to, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COFLTravler Posted March 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/19/2021 at 9:00 PM, billr said: FWIW I picked up a Milwaukee 1/2 drive fuel impact at Home Depot. I was in need to get wheels off and this fit the bill at $250. I already had 5 Amp batts. I know it’s not the higher rated impact of a 3/4” but it’s perfect for my use. It pounds off the lugs with over 1000ftbs and able to tighten them without over torquing but real close when torqued checked. Came in handy on the Morryde suspension I had to replace. https://www.homedepot.com/p/Milwaukee-M18-FUEL-18-Volt-Lithium-Ion-Brushless-Cordless-1-2-in-Impact-Wrench-with-Pin-Detent-Tool-Only-2766-20/302675406?MERCH=REC-_-pip_alternatives-_-313511878-_-302675406-_-N& So I elected to go with the Milwaukee M18 Fuel 1/2" and wow quite the tool. I ended up not using the cheater wrench for torquing... was not impressed - may work great for removal but did not use... Man am I glad I changed my disk pads...they still had some life left as the indicators showed (not much), but they were a mess breaking apart.... Just another job done on the rig...or should I say just more money gone..... Mark Quote 2014 HDT Volvo 780 "Baby Bird"2016 Smart Car "Baby Bird Turd" - on the back2020 Momentum 376THSWe're both proud USAF Retirees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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