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This is a good read on hydrogen power and how it could be developed to power trucks, RVs, and cars. It's fascinating to read about an ordinary guy using hydrogen to power his home and vehicles.

https://nyti.ms/3nVEUmj

I read many of the comments and got conflicting feedback. Some say it has environmental concerns with the ozone layer. I'm not educated enough to know whether or not this is true.

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hydrogen.... remember the Hindenburg.

one spark and no way to put out the fire.

then the pressure vessel you would need for your fuel tank.

support.. there is none. at least propane is everywhere. but it is a junk fuel. then any compressed gas fuel is not very good at altitude or in the cold.

and in his story, hydrogen "only puts out" heck in theory even the good ol gasoline motor is not supposed to put out any "smog gasses".

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51 minutes ago, noteven said:

Isn't the "exhaust" of a H fuel cell H2O?

Only if the hydrogen was "created" using renewable energy. It's gaining, but there's still a lot of coal and natural gas fired powerplants.

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On 12/30/2020 at 9:57 AM, packnrat said:

hydrogen.... remember the Hindenburg.

one spark and no way to put out the fire.

Look again at the Hindenburg.  Which way are the flames going after the hydrogen cells ruptured?  Straight up and away from people on the ground.

Compare that to a gasoline tank truck fire where the flames are spreading out across the ground - if the tank itself doesn't explode.

All fuel sources have hazards, we're just used to the risks posed by common ones.

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I saw a program on Nova many years ago about hydrogen. It's one of the safest flammable gases around. The big problems are storage and production. Since it is the lightest element known, it is difficult, but not impossible to store enough in a car to give it a reasonable range. As someone said earlier, since there is no carbon to combine with oxygen, the only byproduct of combustion is water.

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Looks like the new Honda Clarity can go 360 miles on a tank of hydrogen. Finding a hydrogen station will be a problem for a while.

https://automobiles.honda.com/clarity-fuel-cell/specs-features-trim-comparison

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Mike Strizki was one of my early alternative energy heroes. I used to post this video here 2006 on  a lot. This Hopewell project in NJ is what put Mike on the map publicly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qr7bRSbwfIg&feature=emb_logo

We have the infrastructure for charging EVs, in every home. None for hydrogen. Toyota, a big hydrogen player, just recently conceded and switched direction to Electrics.

MIT has cracked the code for fusion power cheaper and safer than fission. This is new and the first power plant should be demonstrated in 2025 - just five years down the road.

These papers and findings have been peer reviewed and are under development now.

Excerpt:

"09.29.2020

New Scientific Papers Predict Historic Results for Commonwealth Fusion Systems’ Approach to Commercial Fusion Energy

Cambridge, MA – September 29, 2020 – Commonwealth Fusion Systems (CFS), a company commercializing fusion energy, today announced a groundbreaking series of seven papers published and peer reviewed in a special edition of the Journal of Plasma Physics validating CFS’ approach to commercial fusion energy. The papers, written in collaboration with MIT’s Plasma Science and Fusion Center (PSFC) and available to public at no cost, are the first peer reviewed publications from any private commercial fusion company that verifies a compact fusion device will achieve net energy where the plasma generates more fusion power than used to start and sustain the process, the requirement for a fusion power plant.

CFS is collaborating with MIT’s PSFC to design and build SPARC, the world’s first net energy (Q>1) fusion system. SPARC is being designed with the collective and proven knowledge of the world’s fusion programs, using well established plasma physics as well as cutting-edge tools that include advanced simulations, data analysis, and science from existing machines. These papers are the result of more than two years of work by the team to refine the SPARC design, which is now entering its final stages.

The papers apply the same physics rules and simulations used to design ITER and interpret results from existing experiments to predict SPARC’s performance based on the anticipated engineering design. The results show that SPARC will achieve its goal (Q>2) with considerable margin. The joint team of world-leading experts include those who worked on the design for ITER, as well as groups from national labs, centers, and universities around the world. Both ITER and SPARC are tokamaks, a device that uses a magnetic field to confine the fusion process. However, SPARC will use new high temperature superconducting (HTS) magnets to enable a similar performance as ITER but built more than 10 times smaller and on a significantly faster timeline.  

The papers also predict that SPARC will very likely achieve a burning plasma for the first time on earth, meaning the fusion process will be dominantly self-heating. This is a major multi-decade goal of the world’s scientific community.

“These are concrete public predictions that when we build SPARC, the machine will produce net energy and even high gain fusion from the plasma. That is a necessary condition to build a fusion power plant for which the world has been waiting decades,” said CFS CEO Bob Mumgaard, PhD. “The combination of established plasma physics, new innovative magnets, and reduced scale opens new possibilities for commercial fusion energy in time to make a difference for climate change. This is a major milestone for the company and for the global clean tech effort as we work to get commercial fusion energy on the grid as fast as possible”

CFS and MIT’s PSFC are also now constructing the advanced magnets that will allow CFS to build significantly smaller and lower-cost fusion power plants. This collaboration is on track to demonstrate a successful 20 Tesla, large-bore magnet in 2021. This magnet test, the first of its kind in the world, opens a widely identified transformational opportunity for commercial fusion energy. These magnets will then be used in SPARC, which is on track to begin construction in 2021 and demonstrate net energy gain from fusion for the first time in history by 2025. SPARC will pave the way for the first commercially viable fusion power plant called ARC."

Source: https://cfs.energy/news-and-media/new-scientific-papers-predict-historic-results-for

 

 

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1 hour ago, vermilye said:

I've seen hydrogen powered 18 wheelers on some of the western interstates for a few years.

Who is building them and who operates them? I did find one article about TSI using them.

Putting hydrogen fuel cell trucks to work

I have been unable to find any other articles on them.

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Tesla's megacharger for semi's can charge 400 miles in 30 minutes. Of course not many around now and only practical for a-b and b-a type routes, but who knows in 20 years.

But I can see truck stops with massive underground hydrogen tanks, but producing the hydrogen and transporting to the truck stops will still be a problem for a while.

https://electrek.co/2018/02/02/tesla-semi-electric-truck-customers-megacharger-charging-station/  

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This quote from Kirk's article:

"The North American Council for Freight Efficiency's (NACFE) latest Guidance Report, Viable Class 7/8 Electric, Hybrid, and Alternative Fuel Tractors, noted that commercial battery electric vehicles and fuel cell trucks will be capable of lower total cost of ownership in the 2030 timeframe." Source: https://www.fleetowner.com/running-green/article/21130119/putting-hydrogen-fuel-cell-trucks-to-work

Then hydrogen powered fuel cells turning an electric motor will still require a fueling infrastructure.

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2 hours ago, jcussen said:

Tesla's megacharger for semi's can charge 400 miles in 30 minutes. Of course not many around now and only practical for a-b and b-a type routes, but who knows in 20 years.

But I can see truck stops with massive underground hydrogen tanks, but producing the hydrogen and transporting to the truck stops will still be a problem for a while.

https://electrek.co/2018/02/02/tesla-semi-electric-truck-customers-megacharger-charging-station/  

20 years from I might not be around.

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1 hour ago, GlennWest said:

20 years from I might not be around.

In some some states, you won't be able to buy a new gas car or pickup either.

https://electrek.co/2020/09/23/california-ban-sale-new-ice-cars-in-2035/#:~:text=Why not sooner%3F,-Jameson Dow&text=California Governor Gavin News

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2 hours ago, GlennWest said:

But that's crazy california. Also don't they import all their electricity.

You are right. Texas is probably safe, but the future is uncertain.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/pikeresearch/2020/11/04/ice-bans-begin-to-take-shape-in-the-us/?sh=6a7d9a933e17

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