Think twice before dealing with Camping world right now

[agesilaus]

Their stock dropped over two-thirds last week. But of course that was during the hysterical sell off on Wall Street. But still if they do go belly up anyone holding their ESP, ERS or other long term programs will be out of luck if they go bankrupt. So wait and see is probably the best policy right now: RVtravel  and then there is this on the TSD-Flying J debacle: dieselgate

[Ranger Smith]

I will not deal at all with Marcus and Camping world anymore. Why should he care how Rv'rs get fuel discounts. Just his greed. I hope they go belly up . . . Mr. Profit . . . Really knows how to run a business . . . Right

I'll use my TSD card at Loves and not use my Pilot Charge Card anymore.

[Dutch_12078]

I don't know about the other programs, but the GS ERS program is operated by Allstate. I expect they would step in if GS/CW failed in some way rather than lose those subscribers.

[pjstough]

Just more hate from RVTravel.

[Kirk W]

14 minutes ago, pjstough said:

Just more hate from RVTravel.

Sensationalism sells! 

[Twotoes]

The bottom line is where can I fuel up for the least cost. I will use my TSD card at Loves and get the best discount and lowest cost for my diesel  fuel.  I will no longer use my GS discount at FFJ. 

[Dutch_12078]

I'll continue to use my GS "Swipe & Save" card at PFJ for as long as it keeps dropping the price for me. Their stock tanking doesn't seem like a good reason to give up that discount to me...

[Pappy Yokum]

Just "me":  Never had anything to do with CW.

However, *if* ........The Sky Is Falling !!

Duck and Cover !!

😉

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Edited March 14, 2020 by Pappy Yokum

[Ranger Smith]

6 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said:

I'll continue to use my GS "Swipe & Save" card at PFJ for as long as it keeps dropping the price for me. Their stock tanking doesn't seem like a good reason to give up that discount to me...

So why wouldnt you get the TSD discount card and save 50+ cents per gallon across the street at Loves over the 5 or so cents you save at PFJ.  

 

Seems like a no brainer to me and the card costs nothing.

Edited March 15, 2020 by Ranger Smith

[Ray,IN]

11 hours ago, agesilaus said:

Their stock dropped over two-thirds last week. But of course that was during the hysterical sell off on Wall Street. But still if they do go belly up anyone holding their ESP, ERS or other long term programs will be out of luck if they go bankrupt. So wait and see is probably the best policy right now: RVtravel  and then there is this on the TSD-Flying J debacle: dieselgate

What are your intentions for this thread? I assume you own Camping World/Affinity Corp. stock to be concerned. Then again, perhaps PJStough is correct.

[Dutch_12078]

13 minutes ago, Ranger Smith said:

So why wouldnt you get the TSD discount card and save 50+ cents per gallon across the street at Loves over the 5 or so cents you save at PFJ.  

 

Seems like a no brainer to me and the card costs nothing.

How much will it save me on gas (not diesel) and can I still use a credit card to pay at the pump? Never mind, I found the answers. No gas, diesel only, and they deduct the cost plus their fee directly from your checking account. Nope, won't work for me...

https://www.tsdlogistics.com/services/fuel-program/

[mptjelgin]

This TSD program reminds of the companies that were re-selling their unlimited cellular broadband plans to individuals on the open market as a way to make additional monies.  It violated their terms of agreement with the cellular companies and they were eventually terminated.  My understanding is that the TSD logistics plan was between fuel sellers and this company as a program for their trucks and drivers. Once they started selling these negotiated rates on the open market it was bound to attract attention from the fuel sellers. 

[pjstough]

Just now, mptjelgin said:

This TSD program reminds of the companies that were re-selling their unlimited cellular broadband plans to individuals on the open market as a way to make additional monies.  It violated their terms of agreement with the cellular companies and they were eventually terminated.  My understanding is that the TSD logistics plan was between fuel sellers and this company as a program for their trucks and drivers. Once they started selling these negotiated rates on the open market it was bound to attract attention from the fuel sellers. 

In addition, Good Sam evidently had an exclusive contract on fuel discounts for RVers with Pilot Flying J, and when Good Sam found out that TDS who had a contract with Pilot Flying J for their trucks, but extended the deal to RVers, there was a conflict, and Good Sam enforced their contract with Pilot Flying J.

[Kirk W]

10 hours ago, pjstough said:

In addition, Good Sam evidently had an exclusive contract on fuel discounts for RVers with Pilot Flying J, and when Good Sam found out that TDS who had a contract with Pilot Flying J for their trucks, but extended the deal to RVers, there was a conflict, and Good Sam enforced their contract with Pilot Flying J.

I have pretty much stopped going to Flying J/Pilot since they not only became Good Sam exclusive, but they also voided the loyalty card that I had used for more than 10 years. And since TSD o only works for diesel from the truck lanes I just my 2% rebate credit card for both gasoline and diesel and can get mine anywhere. And I have not been to Camping World in several years either. 

[palmeris]

11 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said:

How much will it save me on gas (not diesel) and can I still use a credit card to pay at the pump? Never mind, I found the answers. No gas, diesel only, and they deduct the cost plus their fee directly from your checking account. Nope, won't work for me...

https://www.tsdlogistics.com/services/fuel-program/

There are no fees for use of the card, only if you have insufficient funds in the account that is ach debited do they impose a fee...just like bouncing a check at a retailer. 

They make their money as part of your discount,  so when you save money tsd gets a  10 percentage of the savings.  If you get no discount then they get nothing. 

They are not selling you anything,  it cost nothing but your time to enroll.  There are no contracts. It is not a credit card or credit program,  rather a efs linked to a bank account for ach debit. 

Yes you have to use the commercial lanes, swipe your efs card and enter your pin. The ach hits your account within a few days of the transaction.  

As an example right now loves In ft pierce advertising diesel at 2.74 per gallon...tsd discount price is shown 1.93.....81 cents per gallon discount..tsd gets 8.1 cents per gallon and you get the remainder 72.9 cents per gallon  , paying round number of 2.02 per gallon. 

The app shows you real time locations where the efs card is accepted as well as the per gallon price. 

A great  program to save money on diesel with no downside , why would you not have it in your wallet as an option ?

 

 

[Dutch_12078]

10 minutes ago, palmeris said:

A great  program to save money on diesel with no downside , why would you not have it in your wallet as an option ?

Because none of my vehicles use diesel?

[rickeieio]

I've found that I can usually find fuel off the highway a bit and save more than any discount might be.  And I have about 1,000 mile range so can be kinda choosy.

That said, I agree with Paul and Kirk as stated above.  And I won't use CW or any Sam's/Wal-Mart either.  Both are bad for small businesses.

[palmeris]

2 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said:

Because none of my vehicles use diesel?

As you stated it won't work for you and your gassers...lol

[TexasPSDX]

2 hours ago, palmeris said:

There are no fees for use of the card, only if you have insufficient funds in the account that is ach debited do they impose a fee...just like bouncing a check at a retailer. 

They make their money as part of your discount,  so when you save money tsd gets a  10 percentage of the savings.  If you get no discount then they get nothing. 

They are not selling you anything,  it cost nothing but your time to enroll.  There are no contracts. It is not a credit card or credit program,  rather a efs linked to a bank account for ach debit. 

Yes you have to use the commercial lanes, swipe your efs card and enter your pin. The ach hits your account within a few days of the transaction.  

As an example right now loves In ft pierce advertising diesel at 2.74 per gallon...tsd discount price is shown 1.93.....81 cents per gallon discount..tsd gets 8.1 cents per gallon and you get the remainder 72.9 cents per gallon  , paying round number of 2.02 per gallon. 

The app shows you real time locations where the efs card is accepted as well as the per gallon price. 

A great  program to save money on diesel with no downside , why would you not have it in your wallet as an option ?

 

 

There is a fee for using the TSD / EFS card.  It is 10% of your savings.  Look at your settlement statement when they deduct funds from your account.

Edited March 15, 2020 by TexasPSDX

[palmeris]

As I clearly stated they get 10 % of the savings.. if you want to consider it a fee that's your choice. As it's part of the discount it's not money I ever had in  my account in the 1st place.

there is no fee to sign up, no annual fee, no enrollment fee and if there's no discount they get nothing.  

Call it what you want,  I call it a good deal. 

 

[palmeris]

1 hour ago, rickeieio said:

I've found that I can usually find fuel off the highway a bit and save more than any discount might be.  And I have about 1,000 mile range so can be kinda choosy.

That said, I agree with Paul and Kirk as stated above.  And I won't use CW or any Sam's/Wal-Mart either.  Both are bad for small businesses.

Obviously that's your choice to use your time to search around a bit instead of using a truck stop that is easy on,  easy off, designed for big rigs, fresh fuel, etc. In an attempt to locate a larger discount than what you will already know about before using the efs card.....I would challenge your use of the word "any" however...my 2 cents is the convenience, ease of use and known savings would outweigh a scavenger hunt but again your choice 

[rickeieio]

1 minute ago, palmeris said:

7 minutes ago, palmeris said:

.I would challenge your use of the word "any" however...my 2 cents is the convenience, ease of use and known savings would outweigh a scavenger hunt but again your choice 

 

Perhaps I should have said "most"?  But that doesn't change my point, which is finding a place that accepts a certain card to get a specific discount may not be convenient either.  Having enough range to get to cheaper fuel is a bigger plus, in my eyes. And no scavenger hunt required.  There are several ways to find cheaper fuel in an area, GasBuddy being the most popular.  After we're in the campground and unhooked is usually a good time to combine fueling along with a grocery run or other errand.  And none of this matters to me as much as not doing business with the companies that are hurting the small businesses.  

But, to be brutally honest,  most of us aren't going to go to the poor house if we pay another nickel, or dollar.  RVing isn't known to be a cheap endeavor.  Another nickel, or $, isn't going to keep me home.  

[richfaa]

We have never purchased a RV at Camping world for two reasons they did not have the brand we wanted and they have always been to expensive. We do shop at CW when they have what we want at a price we think is fair. We use FJ/ Pilot with our RV plus card. They are most everywhere, easy in , easy out, Rv  friendly and plenty of parking if you need it. We will also use Loves and other truck stops  when needed. We use what  we want   when we want to.

[Ranger Smith]

4 hours ago, TexasPSDX said:

There is a fee for using the TSD / EFS card.  It is 10% of your savings.  Look at your settlement statement when they deduct funds from your account.

So if my savings are 81 cents per gallon what do I care if they're getting 10% of that leaving me with 72 cents per gallon savings . . . Thats better than the 3 or 4 cents Good Sam offers.

[Ranger Smith]

5 hours ago, rickeieio said:

I've found that I can usually find fuel off the highway a bit and save more than any discount might be.  And I have about 1,000 mile range so can be kinda choosy.

That said, I agree with Paul and Kirk as stated above.  And I won't use CW or any Sam's/Wal-Mart either.  Both are bad for small businesses.

I highly doubt you can drive off highway and find diesel for 82 cents lass