RandyA Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 My OEM muffler is starting to rust out. Rather than put it back the way it is I am considering building up a "weed burner" so that I can take advantage of the space gained rear of the cab. Looking at materials available it appears to me that a 6' section of 5" stainless steel flex pipe should work well from the turbo outlet to an inside mounting position for a new OEM style muffler pretty much equally distant from the fuel tank and drive shaft on the passenger side. I would use a couple of feet of the existing chrome stack as a tailpipe that points straight down at the ground (not out the side). All clamps will be stainless steel band clamps. I will, of course, need to make my own pipe hangers and supports. Charlie has mentioned to me on several occasions a restriction similar to a washer with a 2" opening welded in behind the turbo. I do not know if my truck has the same. It would seem that taking this out (if mine does indeed have it) would create better exhaust flow but at the expense of what? EGR, exhaust brake, turbo spin-up???? I've never paid much attention to how others have plumbed their weed burners. Any additional thoughts or ideas will be appreciated. Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from SoCal Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 I don't know the particulars on your truck, a guy I know with an older Pete 359 had an OE muffler with a restrictor in the muffler. There should be no detriment to a full flow exhaust with regard to engine braking or turbo spool up. The fella mentioned had issues with coolant temps in hot weather in city traffic, the engine stays at more consistent temps since the change. Steve Quote 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. cob Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 Howdy Randy, The exhaust straight down could be nasty if it’s a dusty area, just something to think about. Dave Quote 2001 Peterbilt, 379, Known As "Semi-Sane II", towing a 2014 Voltage 3818, 45 foot long toy hauler crammed full of motorcycles of all types. Visit my photo web site where you will find thousands of photos of my motorcycle wanderings and other aspects of my life, click this link. http://mr-cob.smugmug.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance A Lott Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 I put mine out the side no problems with dust and you can stand beside it at idle and not be bothered. It could be a problem if it was doing a regen. And I suppose if I was sitting beside a car with a open window and stomped on it they might not be happy but it is turned down a little. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
usbusin Posted August 23, 2019 Report Share Posted August 23, 2019 On my baby Cat 3126b I have the weedburner exhaust as shown. Never been a problem. I would not recommend pointing it down; too much dust. Quote 2001 Freightliner FL70, Cat 3126b 300hp, 860 lb/ft, 6 speed manual Eaton/Fuller Motorhome body by Transport Designs (37 ft overall) Motorhome Specs and Pictures Our Music Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lance A Lott Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 Not very pretty but it works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmk Posted August 24, 2019 Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 17 hours ago, mr. cob said: Howdy Randy, The exhaust straight down could be nasty if it’s a dusty area, just something to think about. Dave I second this. My truck has a weed burner that points down. Two things, the dust and the right rear tire temps go high in slow traffic. I do hope to change my setup eventually it's just not real high on my priority list right now. Quote 2005 Freightliner Century Class S/T, Detroit 60 Series 14L, Eaton Fuller 10spd Ultrashift, w/3:73 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted August 24, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2019 No regen on this truck. It is a 2004 D12D with EGR. I do agree that pointing the exhaust down could create a dust devil - might be better to just go straight back if I don't turn it. My main problem with going out the side is my Volvo has the full fairing that covers the fuel tanks. I would end up cutting a hole in the fairing and need to drop the exhaust system lower to the pavement. Also more bends and band clamps. I'll have to work on this. Actually, the comments are now making me wonder if a weed burner is what I really want to do. It could put more soot on the lower front of the fiver. The other issue is the doughnut that Charlie reported finding inside his 2006 Volvo exhaust. I am "assuming" I have the same restriction in mine. If anyone has experience with this thing, good or bad, I need to know. I do remember reading something awhile back about the metal gasket used between the turbo and exhaust manifold was restricted so as to boost pressure in the exhaust for the EGR. The suggestion was to enlarge the opening in the gasket if one had the turbo off and screw the EGR. Doing so increased turbo performance. If the doughnut is there for a similar reason I would think it needs to go. I could be opening Pandora's Box with this project - you know how one thing leads to another. The EGR system on this engine is working OK but failure of the valves or cooler can become very expensive. The EGR delete kit from OTR remains in the back of my mind. Ghee Wiz, all of this thinking started with a little rust hole appearing in the top of the stack muffler. Maybe a glob of exhaust putty is all I need. I think I feel a headache coming on. Oh, BTW, I'm close to week 8 from my back surgery. I feel good and am beginning to resume my normal activities. The only problem is my muscles are weak from 3 months of inactivity and I have picked up a few pounds as well. Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 You could patch it for a little while. Rust is lots worse than it looks. That small hole has a big weak area around it. Piece of rubber and a clamp will stop a water leak. Likely your muffler also. Might want to try that until cooler and stronger days later on. Quote 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from SoCal Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 On my truck the exhaust is angled at about 45 from horizontal 26" behind a fairing. When I paint the truck I will add an extension to just below the fairing. The exhaust straight out the back would get a lot of exhaust on the rear body and trailer. Quote 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 I would put a new muffler on and wish it well. Fastest solution and probably least expensive. Just my humble opinion but I can find lots of things to do that do not require crawling on the ground with a new back. Remember any pain you had before the surgery. Why mess with bringing that back. Brad Quote Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted August 25, 2019 Report Share Posted August 25, 2019 16 hours ago, RandyA said: The EGR delete kit from OTR remains in the back of my mind. Randy, I don't think OTR makes or sells that kit anymore. Quote MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oletimer Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 Randy, I purchased a 2006 with 500K mile in 2010, and was disappointed with the MPG, so did the EGR delete, and at the same time, did the weed burner thing. Ran a straight pipe (a few bends & turns) with a turn down @ about a 1/3 turn. Removed the donut still got 6 1/2 MPG, and no change in power. I think the slight turn really helps with the dust, we live in the country, and 3 miles off the payment. After a year or so, I had to replace the cooler ($$). So, I removed the plug, but retained the weed burner. I'm 76 years old now, and can't hear so good, plus I had back surgery 12 weeks ago, soooo, I'm now in the process of reinstalling the stack. I saved everything, muffler, brackets, etc., but everything seems much heavier than it did 9 years ago. I hope after the reinstall I will be able to hear the "Top dog" better. OH WAIT, is that a good thing?? BTW, I was surprised your 2004 had a EGR, I didn't think they had them until 05, or 06 at the cost of a mile or two MPG. Good luck with your truck, and your back as well. Dick T Quote 2006 Volvo VNL 630(VED12 400HP)10 speed autoshift,3.58 gear 236" twin screw, w/ET, Jackalopee, Blue Dot2016 Space Craft 37' Blu/Dot, Dexter 8K triple axel, HD Drum hydraulic brakes Feather lite air ride2005 Jeep Rubicon2007 Suzuki DR 650 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D Posted August 26, 2019 Report Share Posted August 26, 2019 3 hours ago, oletimer said: BTW, I was surprised your 2004 had a EGR, I didn't think they had them until 05, or 06 at the cost of a mile or two MPG. EGR came with the EPA04 emission package engines, which, for most manufacturers, went into production in the fourth quarter of 2002, per a consent decree. They can be found even in some late 2003 model year trucks. Quote Phil 2002 Teton Royal Aspen 2003 Kenworth T2000 - Cat C12 380/430 1450/1650, FreedomLine, 3.36 - TOTO . . . he's not in Kansas anymore. ET Air Hitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted August 28, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2019 On 8/25/2019 at 11:55 AM, Big5er said: Randy, I don't think OTR makes or sells that kit anymore. I did not know that. I Iooked at their web page and could find noting but the reset tools. I wonder why it is not listed? Did they get in trouble with the EPA? I do know someone that bought one a couple of years back when they had a sale but has yet to install it. Lucky guy - he is sitting on a gold mine. I often wondered how the EGR Delete software was set up. Many years ago I wanted to eliminate the O2 sensor on a car when I was doing autocross. I bread-boarded up a little device using a 556 timer that would give the ECM random levels of low voltage to allow a richer fuel mixture without making the ECM go into limp mode. From what I have read the same type of variable voltage readings are generated by the EGR on the Volvo. If there is NO voltage variation to the ECM you get the fault PID and perhaps the derate. Now, I want to know more and will shift my attention to exploring what the EGR sensor is doing. I have a recording digital pocket o'scope with a SD card that I can use to capture the EGR data from the sensor over an hour or more of on the road mileage. I don't know, but maybe I can put together a device that will fool the Volvo ECM into thinking the EGR is operating. But, keep in mind I am sorta half-fast when it comes to such a project. BTW - the exhaust system change project is now on hold. I bought a can of ceramic exhaust putty at Autozone and patched up the current rust holes in the top of the muffler. A few shots of silver high temp exhaust paint and it looks like new. It is still in the way of what I want to use the space for behind the cab but further changes are not imminent. Thanks to everyone for their input. Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclord2002 Posted August 29, 2019 Report Share Posted August 29, 2019 Randy, Isn't this forum great...toss out an idea and get all sorts of insight on it. We don't have to re-invent the wheel with every project and that can save us money, time and grief. Glad that your back is doing well...don't mess it up loading all the Florida gear ! Charlie Quote Don't ever tell a soldier that he doesn't understand the cost of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cotreker Posted September 4, 2019 Report Share Posted September 4, 2019 So I should install my 48" replacement muffler recently purchased from Volvo for $65.00 and call it good? Quote Volvo 670 / 2006 10-Speed ATV's & Sleds 2017 Host Mammoth Slide-In Camper on Deck Jackalopee Build article published here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTPA Announcer Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 For the money, I'd say yes. As for us we use a weed burner with a resonator and a turn down at a 45 +. No cab noise, not loud with the windows down, and it still rumbles a little when you flip the right switch.... Win , Win !! Quote Denver and Ms Judy Geitgey 2006 VOLVO 780 41 ' Redwood NTPA Event Announcer dngeitgey@gmail.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehc Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 Yes. Make modifications to increase your polution. That is what the world needs today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHIEFWAHO Posted September 5, 2019 Report Share Posted September 5, 2019 I was considering a weed burner setup awhile back (still have not done it yet) and Roger (Hewhoknowslittle) shared with me what he did on his Volvo. Picture link: https://s42.photobucket.com/user/rogerjones218/library/Bed Build?page=1 Parts list: (1) Donaldson muffler part number M120749 (1) 90 degree x15" inches long elbow #L590-1515A (1) 45 degree X8 inches long elbow # L545-0808A (3) band clamps # PF-5SS (1) Curved chrome pipe #K5-18sbc Mounting bracket for the muffler we made out of the old stack mounting bracket, welded them to the fairing mounts and made straps to hang the muffler. Quote 1999 Volvo VNL610, Cummins M11 - 350/400 HP, 10 speed Rockwell - 'CHIEF' Custom flatbed with TrailerSaver air hitch. 3 cyl 8000 watt Kubota diesel generator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted September 6, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 9 hours ago, Sehc said: Yes. Make modifications to increase your polution. That is what the world needs today. It is pollution - not polution. Thank you for pointing out to me what the world needs today. Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 (edited) 23 minutes ago, RandyA said: It is pollution - not polution. Thank you for pointing out to me what the world needs today. 🙂🙂🙂🙂🙂 Edited September 6, 2019 by Big5er Quote MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehc Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 How ever spell check puts it, it is still shit. I do agree love is up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ARGO Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 23 hours ago, Sehc said: Yes. Make modifications to increase your polution. That is what the world needs today. The volcanoes put more crap in the air than every car on earth, maybe you can get God to stop them, huh? Quote You'd have to see the movie to understand.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from SoCal Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 38 minutes ago, ARGO said: The volcanoes put more crap in the air than every car on earth, maybe you can get God to stop them, huh? Really? https://www.climate.gov/news-features/climate-qa/which-emits-more-carbon-dioxide-volcanoes-or-human-activities Steve Quote 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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