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Please bear with me, I'm not an electrician by any means.

Our motorhome is 50 amp.  We also travel with a Ford C-Max Energi - a plugin Hybrid.  It charges on 110.  Usually I plug the motorhome in to the power pedestal 50 amp outlet.  I then plug the car into the 30 amp outlet.  It has always worked okay till now.  Today the motorhome surgeguard reports low voltage (103v) on L2 when the car is charging.  Otherwise, with the car unplugged it is about the same as L1 - around 113v. 

I normally don't charge the car during the day, knowing it is better to charge it when the temps aren't so high.  Today, I rolled the windows down and went ahead and charged it (never mind the reason). 

So, I'm guessing the 30 amp receptacle is wired off of L2 and the car charging is pulling the voltage down.

1. Is that likely the reason for the low voltage on L2 when the car is plugged in?

2. Is it normal for the 30 amp plug on the pedestal to be connected to one side of the 50 amp?

I doubt there will be many times when I want to charge the car on a hot afternoon - so it really isn't a big deal.  Still, I'd like to understand what was happening a bit better.

Thanks.

 

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1 hour ago, GR "Scott" Cundiff said:

So, I'm guessing the 30 amp receptacle is wired off of L2 and the car charging is pulling the voltage down.

1. Is that likely the reason for the low voltage on L2 when the car is plugged in?

2. Is it normal for the 30 amp plug on the pedestal to be connected to one side of the 50 amp?

1. Yes. ish. If this is on your own property, I'd be checking connections all the way back to the breaker feeding the receptacle. At the very least, confirming wire size and run length. If it's an RV park, you might be stuck suffering through it until the next park.
2. Yes. In a properly designed park, the 30 amp receptacles will alternate between the 2 main feeds to try and keep the loads balanced. Sometimes, it even almost works.

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1 hour ago, GR "Scott" Cundiff said:

2. Is it normal for the 30 amp plug on the pedestal to be connected to one side of the 50 amp?

 

Absolutely. There are only two hot legs available in most areas, and the 50 amp circuit uses both of them. So the 30 amp circuit must be  "piggy-backed" onto one of the legs, and if the box has a third, 15/20 amp plug it is generally on the other leg. 

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7 minutes ago, durangodon said:

Wouldn't the result be the same?

Potentially worse, with the extra connections. KISS.

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5 minutes ago, durangodon said:

Wouldn't the result be the same?

Good question. Is there room in the RV panel for it and would it overload or unbalance the panel? 

 

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1 hour ago, lappir said:

Good question. Is there room in the RV panel for it and would it overload or unbalance the panel? 

 

If the car charger was drawing the voltage down on one leg at the pedestal, it'll do the same thing in the coach, since the coach is using the pedestal for power.  He'd be just moving the problem from the pedestal to the coach's breaker box.  Adding a 30 amp outlet on the coach is not going to magically produce more current.

The only way this could help is if he installed the new 30 amp outlet on the side of the coach breaker box with the lightest load, or refrained from using things on that leg while charging the car.  However, I think  most breaker boxes will be fairly well balanced.

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There are only 2 supply sources in any 120/240 V power system, even if you go all of the way back to the transformer that supplies the RV park. While I'm not sure what current lever the supply into the park is unless they have their own transformer and distribution equipment, it is just a larger version of what you would have in a stick house. The typical house has 200A service with two supply leads, L1 & L2. At the distribution box it is then broken down to be circuits of 120V and a few with both supplies that result in 240V. When using both L1 & L2 the effect is that of +120V one one side of the load and -120V on the other with causes the load to see a total of 240V. In the RV park there are usually several circuits to various parts of the park, each with it's own set of circuit breakers which send both L1 & L2 to the various power pedestals. Typical pedestals will have a double 120V/15A outlet, a single 120V/30A outlet, and a single 120/240V-50A outlet. If wired properly the 30A outlets are half to L1 and half to L2 with most cases they alternate from site to site, much as Mark stated.

35 minutes ago, durangodon said:

He'd be just moving the problem from the pedestal to the coach's breaker box.  Adding a 30 amp outlet on the coach is not going to magically produce more current.

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2 hours ago, lappir said:

Good question. Is there room in the RV panel for it and would it overload or unbalance the panel? 

 

Well, without spealing it out, my thughts were you are in control deciding which L1 or L2 you pull that power from. You never know with the parks. You could arrange your panel to accomade it. Be a little work. It would still be easy to pull more than 50 amps but at least you would decide which leg to pull from.

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http://www.rvparksupplies.com/p/503020AMPSMPOWER/

Here is a post showing the wiring for a typical RV pedestal.   The 30 amp is usually taken from one side of the 50 amp legs.  Ig a park is wired properly, they will alternate which side carries the 30 amp plug to help balance the laod.

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It sounds like you are using a Level  2 charging cable on the 30AMP.  Have you tried the  Level 1 cable under the door, to do the charging?  With a friend's C-Max the Level 2 would do a full charge in under 2 hours, but took 6 hours on Level 1. You have the time.

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