GlennWest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I had promised myself I would not spend much money on my electric brake system. As many know I am having some issues now. I have been searching on here as I remember reading comparison between Dexter and Kodiak systems. Can't find them now. Dexter appears to be a more robust system. But most seem to be using Kodiak. I have 7k Dexter axles with 8k hubs, brakes X3. The electric stops great when working. This is a robust braking system just magnets. Would it be good with Kodiak or do I need to go with Dexter. We weigh just shy of 21k. Also the Teton is loosing weight because I am transferring stuff to Freightshaker. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 As I remember the difference is that Kodiac is single sided calipers and Dexter is dual sided. Usually the choice was driven by cost, not functionality. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Yes, I am aware of cost difference. My Teton is heavier than what I normally find on forums/net discussing this. Most seem content with Kodiak brakes but are much lighter than we are. Reckon I should ask if Dexter worth the money on a heavy unit. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Glen, I've not converted but asked the same question couple of years ago. My research and consensus from those that responded was the Dexter is a more robust system and what I'd go with if I converted. Haven't done it because ours still does pretty well with electric brakes and we aren't nor plan to be full timers. Cost for our two 8k axles (MorRyde IS) I think was about $2500. 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I've had both. I'd go Dexter in the future. Especially if you put on BluDot. The Dexter does cost more, but it is likely a better system, all things considered. But the Kodiak stopped my 3 axle 23K Royals International just fine. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I'm running 21K gross on two 8K axles with Kodiak brakes and don't have any issues. I can't imagine needing more with an additional axle at that weight level. If we were running 28K or so on three axles, I might reconsider but you should be OK with either system. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I'm running 21K gross on two 8K axles with Kodiak brakes and don't have any issues. I can't imagine needing more with an additional axle at that weight level. If we were running 28K or so on three axles, I might reconsider but you should be OK with either system. Thank you. I do believe stopping power is equal on both systems. I intend, baring wreck, weather totaling, keeping this unit. I want a system that will last. Dexter is pricey. You have a very new DRV. Blue Dot is tempting. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Blue Dot is just how the master cylinder is activated. Either an electric servo motor for electric over hydraulic or air actuated for Blue Dot. They have nothing to do with the actual braking capacity of the system. If anything, I would be tempted to add ABS brakes if I was re-working the entire system and leave it electric/hydraulic just for that ability instead of putting additional money into a air/hydraulic system. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Well you just threw a wrench in this. lol. Disk brakes and a Direct link would give me ABS right? 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewhoknowslittle Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 No. You haft to have the wheel speed sensors on each wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 That too much then. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Direct link sells it as a kit with everything you need. Controller, actuator and all. Tone rings are an easy install. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I haven't had a problem locking up the trailer yet. I have Kodak. I can replace the brake pads at oreilly. With Dexter you have to orde parts from them and I have heard it can take a while. Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 I just installed Kodiak on 7K Dexter EZ-Lube axles. I went with new hubs and separate rotors - not the one piece units. Parts came from etrailer.com. With free shipping they had the best price. Not sure what Mark meant about single sided calipers unless Dexter uses 2 calipers per wheel. IMHO they are very robust. All parts including lines, actuator and a extra hub came to about $1,500. Not hard to install. Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Dexter are 6 piston calipers 3 on each of each caliper. Pistons push from both sides of disk. Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Couldn't find a price on direct link abs module kit. Listed on website but no listing on price page. Anyone know. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 I believe for the ABS you have to contact them since it is not so much a simple bolt on kit. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Dexter are 6 piston calipers 3 on each of each caliper. Pistons push from both sides of disk. WOW - that is robust! Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 To change your electric over hydraulic to air over hydraulic, the cost for the Blue Dot system is only in the $550 range, plus your hoses and connections to get them to the truck. If you have ABS on your trailer, then you are going to spend about $1100, plus your hoses and connections to your truck. There is no hesitation that might be felt with electric/hydraulic, and not dialing in your controller. Everything is controlled by the truck air system. Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCooter Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 One downside to the Dexter brakes is that in our neck of the woods, all of the brake parts are special order and overnight shipping cost to get the rig back on the road. The only Dexter stuff I have seen had fixed 4 piston calipers. Kodiak was 2 piston floating caliper. I'm not partial to either other than the Kodiak is a little easier to work on and get parts for. I hate special non standard components that are not readily available........ 1999 Peterbilt 385 C12 430/1650 13spd 2006 Dodge 3500 DRW 4x4 2010 Hitchhiker Champagne 36 LKRSB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Thanks everyone. Not going to do this today but you have give me a lot to consider. You guys are great. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastercraft Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 In My Not So Humble Opinion ...... , if you aren't singled, the electric drums on the Teton are fine as you likely only use them for the last 100 ft of a normal stop. For a panic stop, if you keep them adjusted properly (takes only a screwdriver and the wheel off the ground) the drums will serve you well and not lighten your wallet $3K. I have heard a number of stories about folks that had the electric over hydraulics eat up a couple sets of pads and rotors because the caliper sticks or they don't fully release or ???? We weigh right at 50,000 lbs (10K, 25K, and 15K on the Teton), and it stops just fine in a planned or unplanned stop. If I ever feel a bunch of $$$$ causing heat and discomfort on my back side, it's 17.5" wheels and tires rated at 4850 lbs for me....ya that's it, ya 2009 Volvo 780 D16 535hp 1850 ft-lbs I shift 3.36 Thermo King Tripac APU DIY Bed and Frame Extension ET Hitch, Stellar EC2000, EcoGen 6K 2002 F350 CC Dually w/ Lance 1181 2012 Mini Cooper S 2007 Teton Royal Freedom " The only place you will find success before work is the dictionary " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yes works great. Stops fine. Did with dually too. Just like to upgrade. Planning g on i/s later. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastercraft Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yup, I understand the upgrade and tweek addiction. I'm the King of Overkill normally, but have resisted the disc brake thing.... so far. To demonstrate the level of my upgrade addiction, I have toyed with the concept of designing an S cam air brake system that could be installed on an 8K axle ..... sick ha 2009 Volvo 780 D16 535hp 1850 ft-lbs I shift 3.36 Thermo King Tripac APU DIY Bed and Frame Extension ET Hitch, Stellar EC2000, EcoGen 6K 2002 F350 CC Dually w/ Lance 1181 2012 Mini Cooper S 2007 Teton Royal Freedom " The only place you will find success before work is the dictionary " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted June 22, 2016 Report Share Posted June 22, 2016 The reason you go through pads on the trailer when rowing with a hdt is because we are used to feeling the trailer brakes hit the truck when applYing. With out big brakes we don't need that feeling. If you feel the trailer brakes apy they are too tight and you will eat your pads. Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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