Sharbysyd Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 My husband and I are planning on buying an RV and going full time, hopefully within a few months. We are new to this lifestyle. We've done lots of research reading in forums and watching lots and lots of Youtube videos. We were pretty sure about getting a Travel Trailer and then we saw a video which said that it's hard to get into a lot of state parks if you have more than 40 feet. It said that the length is the combination of the truck and the trailer. So if we were to get a 30 something foot TT then that would put us well over 40 feet. So we've also started to consider a 5th wheel and possibly even a class C. Although we aren't even sure we will be going into National Parks very much. We are leaning towards mostly boondocking on BLM land eventually. We are also concerned about how a travel trailer handles vs how a 5th wheel handles. We saw a youtube video that showed a guy driving a 5th wheel and a Tractor Trailer passed him and he showed how there was no movement and he said with a travel trailer there would be a lot of fishtailing and I believe he also said the truck would swerve towards the Tractor Trailer. The video made it seem quite scary to drive a travel trailer. Some questions I have: Which is easier to drive, a TT or a 5th Wheel? Which is better for full-timing? Is there a lot of sway when driving a Travel Trailer? Any other info or other advantages/disadvantages are greatly appreciated. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted April 19, 2017 Report Share Posted April 19, 2017 22 minutes ago, Sharbysyd said: Some questions I have: Which is easier to drive, a TT or a 5th Wheel? Neither. Or, both. If you've never pulled anything behind a vehicle, there is a learning curve to the process. Both types of trailers can be pulled, assuming the correct set-up. Both can be a handful, if the set-up is wrong. Both can be learned. Which is better for full-timing? A 5th wheel can offer better weight capacity, and more room, but a travel trailer can be pulled by a full size van or pickup with a canopy. This returns a lot of capacity. Is there a lot of sway when driving a Travel Trailer? Not with the correct set-up, including a good anti-sway system. Any other info or other advantages/disadvantages are greatly appreciated. I'd advise some form of driver training, even as simple as a ride-along with friends who own each. Get some perspective from them as well. Thanks I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeyres Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 We have pulled both trailers and fivers most of our RVing life. When we full-timed we bought a fiver. Would I do it again? Yes, no question. A fiver has far more storage, the truck rides much smoother, and the space inside is much better. The high ceiling makes it feel much more like a home. I don't get the 40' total length at all. It makes no sense. Forget it. Many full-timers pull 34-40' fivers so they are all way over that 40'. You will be able to get into almost any park but maybe some old forest or national parks that were made for 25' pull trailers. We now have a smaller pull trailer because we are off the road and the larger fiver was just too hard to put into storage all the time. I also relax a lot more pulling it because it is so much lower. But full-timing...I would go back to the fiver in a moment. For poking around a week here or there...give me the small pull trailer. As far as sway goes...our pull trailer does just fine. No problems at all. If properly set up a trailer does fine. 2007 Arctic Fox 32.5 rls for full-timing, now sold. 2014 Sunnybrook Sunset Creek 267rl for the local campgrounds now that we are off the road2007 Silverado 2500 diesel Loving Green Valley, AZ (just South of Tucson) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartmouth01 Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 1st trailer we owned (never having owned one before that) was a 30 ft 5th wheel. Towed that around the US and Canada and Mexico about 100k miles and pretty much fit in everything except the smallest of campgrounds (NP, NF, BLM) It was very stable even weighing in at 14k lb. Fast forward to our next rig, which is a 27 ft (30 ft with the hitch) Travel Trailer Toyhauler weighing in at 10k lb. I have the WD hitch set up perfectly and sway bars, and it will never approach the stability of the 5th wheel. Mind you, it is still fine (have towed coast to coast and back within the past 4 months), but it just takes more micro corrections and focus than the 5th wheel did. We are looking to get back into a 5th wheel since we are full-timing again (the TT was for weekends, so it is just too small for us now that we are back to full-timing) As for length, I'd try to stay around 30 ft with 1 or 2 slides if you want to do alot of moving and staying in different campgrounds. If you plan to stay more stationary, get a longer rig. Heck, if we could do it over again, we'd probably have gone with a small motorhome like the Thor Vegas with the amount we moved the first time we full-timed. Just hitching and unhitching every other day grew tiresome, even with the 5th wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skidsareforkids Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 We just went through this a few months ago and settled on a 5er and I am glad we did. Prior to this we had a couple of pop-ups, a boat, and a utility trailer but never anything as tall as a travel trailer. My dad has a 26'ish Lance travel trailer with WDH and anti-sway bars. He and I went about 300 miles away to pick up my 5er and the whole way back we had a fairly strong side wind to quartering head wind he was surprised that I could take my hands off the wheel and the truck still tracked straight. He kept trying to explain how to deal with passing semi's until I showed him they have no effect on my rig. I can hook my 5er up in less time than a TT with WDH and with a family of 5 full-timing in it with two dogs the extra space made a lot of sense. I wish I had as much adjustment to get my 5er level when towing as I would with a TT but I've got to worry about clearance between the bed rails in addition to leveling the trailer. I ended up compromising. I tow slightly (very slightly) nose up with about 6 inches of clearance between my trailer and bed rails. Truck: 2016 Ram 3500 CCLB DRW 5th Wheel: 2017 Salem Hemisphere Lite 356QB Two parents, three kids, two dumb dogs. Full-time since 01 April 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWharton Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Having had both the 5th is a lot easier to drive, more stable, no sway and easier to hitch up. Also with a 5th if you plan to boondock there is space for a generator. Overall we felt the 5th had so much more space than the tt we had of the same length. You haven't mentioned a truck. Do you have one? Is it configured for towing? If you still need to buy a truck come back and ask the forum before you sign on the dotted line. Once you have all your equipment sign up for Boot Camp, it will save you a lot of the learning curve. Welcome to the fold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 There is no absolute answer to this question as either type of trailer handling is very much dependent upon the proper hitch equipment and the right match of tow vehicle. Either one can be a good experience if properly matched to the tow vehicle and the best equipment is used and properly set up. I happen to consider a class A to be the best choice for fulltime living, but such choices are more a matter of personal preferences than they are of any list of facts. If you have the wrong equipment the handling will be terrible no matter what choice you make. In general, a fifth wheel does have more living space, but it also has stairs that much be dealt with constantly while the travel trailer of motorthome both have flat floors, which can be important for some people. I find that manuvering is easiest with a motorhome, next a fifth wheel, and last a travel trailer, but that is me and I have known others who disagree. We can each tell you what we think is best based on our own preferences, but there is no guarantee that you will agree once you live in what you pick. You could go out and rent a trailer from one of the moving equipment rentals and try driving with it and backing and such to get some feel, but you probably won't find a fifth wheel that you can rent, but a gooseneck cargo trailer would give some idea. There are far more fulltimes in fifth wheel rigs than in travel trailers, but there is no design of RV that nobody has ever lived in fulltime and most of us believe that our choice is the best one. Be very careful making such a choice on the opinions of others. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailertraveler Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Quote There are far more fulltimes in fifth wheel rigs than in travel trailers Based on our travels and experience across the country from North to South and East to West over the past 12 years, I do not believe this is true. Based on membership surveys and polls; it is true for retired, traveling RVers like most of the members of the Escapees RV Club and this forum. As we travel, we encounter many folks living in what were designed and sold as RVs. Many of these folks do not consider themselves RVers and do not belong to groups like Escapees, Good Sam or Family Motor Coach Association (FMCA) so polls of Rvers and RV websites do not count them. These are working folks, often with families. You will not encounter them in state, national or Corps of Engineers parks or find them volunteering or workcamping. For example, we are currently at a fairgrounds in Western Mississippi that allows long term stays. There are a considerable number of fulltimers who are working in the local area. There are 21 travel trailers, 5 fifth wheels and 4 motorhomes in the long term sites. We have seen similar numbers from Florida to the mid-Atlantic to the plains states and into the mountain states. To give another perspective, at times after major disasters, there are more folks living for extended periods of time in FEMA provided travel trailers than the total number of Escapees Memberships ever sold. All this is not to say that a travel trailer is the best choice for fulltiming. It is just to make the point that there are a lot more people living in travel trailers than is reflected on RV forums and RV club memberships. In my opinion, the best choice is what one is comfortable living in and can afford to live in in the lifestyle that they choose. Most travel trailers are built for the weekend/vacation market, so higher quality models are fewer. Most travel trailers have a box (the living space) of less than 32'. There are relatively few 5th wheels under 30'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted April 20, 2017 Report Share Posted April 20, 2017 Personally, I'd be more concerned with the "livability" of your choice rather than the "towability". As for which is better for full-timing, that is totally dependent on YOU and the layout YOU want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecondWind Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 On 4/19/2017 at 4:22 PM, Sharbysyd said: We were pretty sure about getting a Travel Trailer and then we saw a video which said that it's hard to get into a lot of state parks if you have more than 40 feet. It said that the length is the combination of the truck and the trailer. So if we were to get a 30 something foot TT then that would put us well over 40 feet. I forget where I read it, as I'm all over the net, but I also read the claim that at a lot of the older national parks the spaces were made before the mega-trailers of today became common and so any trailer over 28ft probably won't fit. I cannot, however, vouch for the accuracy of that claim. Cheers, Ken Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 1 hour ago, SecondWind said: I forget where I read it, as I'm all over the net, but I also read the claim that at a lot of the older national parks the spaces were made before the mega-trailers of today became common and so any trailer over 28ft probably won't fit. I cannot, however, vouch for the accuracy of that claim. It is hard to say where you read that, but it is mostly true. The vast majority of public parks were built long ago and well before RV sizes were as large as they are today, but most have done at least some modifications to accommodate the larger RVs that are common today. If you get over 35' or so in RV length, the number of sites begins to decline but most public parks do have at least some sites that work and many have some that will accommodate an RV that is over 40' in length. When you look to the total length of the combination, even my little 20' travel trailer is more than 40' in length when attached to our tow truck. With most modern RVs today the key is first what fits into the sites since the majority of public park sites are back-in, and next is the driving skill of the owner. I'm not so sure where the number 28 comes from but if you are looking at a place such as Reserve America , the lengths listed are not limits that some ranger checks but only the length of RV that even the most amateur driver should be able to put into the site. The same is true for the listings by park contractors who operate some campgrounds in Yellowstone and other heavily visited national parks. Nobody comes out to measure you when you arrive, but your skills will determine what you can get into the sites. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 One issue at the SP/Fedparks etc. is proximity of trees and hook up that may limit your ability to use slides and awnings. One SP I have used a good bit is heavily wooded has only a few spots you could uses all your slides expecially if you have them on each side. Just one more thing to think about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailertraveler Posted April 23, 2017 Report Share Posted April 23, 2017 4 minutes ago, bigjim said: One issue at the SP/Fedparks etc. is proximity of trees and hook up that may limit your ability to use slides and awnings. One SP I have used a good bit is heavily wooded has only a few spots you could uses all your slides expecially if you have them on each side. Just one more thing to think about. As mentioned pad width can be as important as pad length. Many parks require that all equipment fit on the pad. The pad dimensions are generally the unobstructed portion of a site (gravel or concrete) designed for parking the RV and vehicles . Sometimes sites with relatively short pads will be wide enough to park a vehicle next to the RV or on a slant across the site in front of/behind the RV. If there are no obstructions (which can sometimes be determined from satellite images) it may be possible to let the rear over hang of the RV extend beyond the pad. In my experience, the pad dimensions listed for state park sites on Reserve America and those for federal campground sites on Recreation.gov have been pretty accurate. However, they do not tell you the proximity of trees, etc. to the edge of the pad or the height to which any over arching trees may be trimmed. It has been my experience that park managers are not overly pleased with folks who take it upon themselves to do major trimming to fit in a site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whj469 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 A fifth wheel is easier to handle then a travel trailer. Even if you have the proper hitch, anti sway, etc. As stated above regarding a class A as the better choice for full timing, I would only agree with that if you moved around a lot. If you will be parked for extended periods of time then the fifth wheel is a better choice. For the most part they are cheaper overall, new or used, and you only have to maintain one vehicle, the pickup and not the MH and an auto. I have also been told that if you want an older MH there are some good deals with low miles, they may not to have the latest features. Good Luck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gypsies Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 Public parks were always our first choice and we rarely used a typical private RV park. We had a 40' motorhome and towed a car and honestly, we never had an issue about fitting into the parks we wanted to stay - national parks, state, Corp of Engineers, national forest campground, county and city. This includes some of the major national parks such as Glacier, Yellowstone, Grand Teton, Zion, Bryce, Grand Canyon, etc. No, you won't fit in every single campground but neither will a 30'. You will learn to do your research before going. Get the RV that you will be comfortable living in and don't worry about the size. There are always other options near a place you may want to stay. Storage, inside and out, is very important for full-timers so keep that in mind. Good luck! Full-timed for 16 YearsTraveled 8 yr in a 2004 Newmar Dutch Star 40' Motorhome and 8 yr in a 33' Travel Supreme 5th Wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dartmouth01 Posted April 24, 2017 Report Share Posted April 24, 2017 That reminds me why we bring a 4person and 2 person tent. We use that plus the truck, motos, or even our own legs if we want to get into places that the trailer cant go! Most recently, to Toroweap Overlook at the Grand Canyon. 200 miles of dirt road that we would have never wanted to even consider taking the trailer down. Spent the most glorious night camped by the Grand Canyon with very few other people around, which is not normal for most National Parks..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kb0zke Posted April 27, 2017 Report Share Posted April 27, 2017 We bought our mpg travel trailer (19') in December, 2010. When I towed it home it was, by far, the largest trailer I had ever towed. I was rather nervous, to say the least. When we sold it two years later I was quite comfortable towing it. The test drive we took with this 40' MH was the first time I had ever driven anything this large and the first time I had ever driven anything where I was not sitting behind the steer axle. At this point I'm quite comfortable with whatever we have IF it is properly set up. That means a truck that isn't at any weight limits and a proper hitch for a towable. You will likely be a bit nervous the first time you drive your new-to-you rig, but after a few hours behind the wheel you will be quite comfortable with it. David Lininger, kb0zke 1993 Foretravel U300 40' (sold) 2022 Grand Design Reflection 315RLTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCMEDIC Posted July 5, 2017 Report Share Posted July 5, 2017 We have owned a Class A diesel pusher (Bluebird), a Jayco fifth wheel, and now an Airstream. Downsized every time we changed rigs. It's all down to personal preference. Each type has advantages and disadvantages. Here's wishing you safe travels! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_ Posted September 22, 2018 Report Share Posted September 22, 2018 I'll second on the downsizing. The ideal size for us and our dog as a couple was our 28.5 Sunnybrook fifth wheel. After we came off the road and needed a rig to live in while out house dirt pad and concrete was done which had to wait for dry weather which we did nor have until September of 2015. Full timing on the road we had a 36 foot fiver twice and after the first year we stopped hauling a lot of the gear we thought we could not do without. As far as the van or SUV towing and having carrying capacity I'd wager if the GCWR was known and adhered to you would find issues in many cases but not all. We use a long bed four door diesel 2500 for our small 28.5 foot and now 19 foot Scamp fiver for only short trips from a stix n brix, where most of our stuff will be kept. We have been in severe wind more than once in our fivers and they ride straight and stable. When I was deciding I asked the workers at a the biggest dealership for cars and RVs in San Antonio. There was a lady there whose job it was to move RVs with a company 1 ton diesel between their five lots. She told me even with her experience she had a tail wagger force her out of control and it flipped and flipped her truck with it. She was unhurt but in private told me that story and to avoid TTs. I have confirmed it with many trips over the rocky Mountain passes everywhere West of the Mississippi and from Mexico up to and including Alaska and all points in between pulling a 36 foot fiver. All of that was traveling RVrs. We did not work camp, nor stay in place for a seasonal snowbird like. We never traveled more than 200 miles a day, never stayed less that n two days, ans always stopped at 2 PM. Back in the 90s we called it the RV Roadie 2X2X2 rule. Staying under 200 miles a day made us more rested when we arrived at the next campground. We never made reservations except on holidays if we were traveling. See we were fully retired and followed our noses. We always stayed two days at every stop so we could relax after traveling and meet some of the others there. Then fully rested get up at the crack of 9 to explore the local area. Boy did ever find amazing things where we never expected them. Despite moving a lot we much preferred our fivers to a Motor Home of any class. We could drop the truck off for servicing and sleep in our rig at the park, we did not need to stay with it. If the Fiver needed repairs we stayed with it and towed it home with one exception where we did stay at a hotel. for two nights at the HitchHiker factory. I can back up my fivers or travel trailers without unhitching. If you have a toad, you can't back the motor home more than a few feet until you unhitch the toad. But you already decided on TT or fiver right? TTs do not have the storage or the easy access to pipes and inlets in the basement you have with fivers. A biggie I saw mentioned We traveled 7 years all over full timing and visited every national and state park we found on our routes. We usually stayed just outside the gates and parked in a commercial campground. This usually gave us better maintained power pedestals, both 30 amp and 50 amp power, and easy in and out sites with a laundry and shower if needed for the pop up crowd. Since my truck is not part of the RV we just hop in and tour the park with no issues. I have never seen a national park or major attraction that did not have RV parks close by. I'm sure they are out there, but we never encountered them. IN a truck or van you are in an NTHSA safety engineered cage designed to withstand ccrashes and protect the occupants. Motorhome have noi such cages and in an accident you are riding in the stuff flying around or even shooting through the window if you were walking around and got a front end collision. Never mind children not buckled in while under way. I have to stop my rig and safely get out and walk back the the trailer to use the bathroom or break for lunch. NO motor home is crash tested with the exception of Class c models with a van front end but the cabinets and structure is till doing the same things with you in it. With a trailer you are in a vehicle that has actually been crash tested for side front and back collision suitability. Your trailer of either type will come apart in a wreck too. Only you aren't riding in it. Safe travels! RV/Derekhttp://www.rvroadie.com Email on the bottom of my website page.Retired AF 1971-1998 When you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. When you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself. - Confucius “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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