dan412 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Looking at truck with DEF is that good or bad? Thanks 2011 Volvo D13 485/1750 Eaton 13 Speed 2016 Montana 3820FK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Caused me a lot of headaches with my dually. Without warranty it would have been costly. Don't believe I would want a HDT with it. Now newer trucks are more appealing. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vt3fan Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 If you want a diesel, you won't have a choice. Its law. The decision is yours gas vs diesel. In my case, we're pulling a heavy 5th Wheel and traveling higher altitudes out west, so the turbocharged diesel makes sense to us. DEF is to prevent the dirty black exhaust smoke and it certainly does a good job at this. You'll get a warning about adding DEF with 500 miles of driving remaining. It can be purchased at most Auto Parts locations as well as places like Walmart. Rick & Mary Sorensen Molly - Boston Terrier 2016 Ford F350 DRW 6.8 L diesel 2016 Mobile Suites 36RSSDB3 Full Timers w/ SD Residency Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan412 Posted June 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I'm Just wondering if I should stay 2007 or older then there is 2008 to 2010 with DPF like Jack has or 2011 or newer with DEF I think the 2011 or newer get better fuel mileage. 2011 Volvo D13 485/1750 Eaton 13 Speed 2016 Montana 3820FK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gabbie Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I have a 2009 D13 with DPF..no issues just regens every 2 or 3000 Kilometres. I think it is better than DEF, I do not have to think about adding or buying fluid. Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 2001. No DEF No DPF No EGR. No worries. ?? Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Adding fluid is not an issue. There are extra injectors (for the Urea), Knox sensors, etc. This is where the problem lies. They fail. My dually had 50k when sold. Was in shop due to the def system failure 5 times. When they sold my truck they had to put it back in shop for Def system. I would hope the HDTs are better but the way truckers are posting they are a problem. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirakawa Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 If you want a diesel, you won't have a choice. Its law. The decision is yours gas vs diesel. In my case, we're pulling a heavy 5th Wheel and traveling higher altitudes out west, so the turbocharged diesel makes sense to us. DEF is to prevent the dirty black exhaust smoke and it certainly does a good job at this. You'll get a warning about adding DEF with 500 miles of driving remaining. It can be purchased at most Auto Parts locations as well as places like Walmart. Of course you have a choice, there are lot's of diesel trucks available without the DEF system. My 2010 doesn't use DEF. Also, DEF has nothing to do with with dirty black exhaust smoke. That's the purpose of the DPF. Everybody wanna hear the truth, but everybody tell a lie. Everybody wanna go to Heaven, but nobody want to die. Albert King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 64K on my 2011 GMC dually and zero DEF issues. YMMV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 64K on my 2011 GMC dually and zero DEF issues. YMMV. That is rare for a 2011. That was the year with faulty NOX sensors. GM changed them in 12 and helped but didn't fix. If you doubt me go to GM diesel forums 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 Meh. If it gives me problems, I'll get a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerryneal Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 I have a 2014 F350 with DEF. So far so good. Engine runs quite, no black smoke, just don't run out while on the road. The computer will slow you down then shut off when you run out (per the manual. I've never let get that low). I keep an extra box of BlueMax in the camper just in case I'm in the boonies, but it's cheap at Walmart or the truck stop. Jerry and Joan 2014 Ford F350 with 6.7 turbo, TrailerSaver 2014 40' Heartland Gateway Fifth wheel iLoveRVlife.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Have a 2011 Ford F350 and a 2012 M2-112. Both use DEF and long as you run them every other week or so to eliminate crystal development in the urea, you shouldn't have any issues. Mileage is good compared to older models and no black soot is a big plus. 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Mine towed and daily commute. Gave me problems usually after a tow. Glad I got rid of it. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txdslshop Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Finally a topic that I have some insight on. I have been working on diesel engines for almost 20 years and have concentrated the bulk of my time with Cummins in light and medium duty applications. I would like to add that, when it comes to light and medium duty engines, the early DPF equipped trucks prior to DEF definitely had their share of issues. For the most part, trucks with DPF and DEF actually work really well and return decent fuel mileage numbers depending on operating conditions. Improved tuning and the addition of DEF has allowed longer times between regeneration and longer DPF life. But, this all comes with a price. In our market the emissions equipment seems to hold together and do its job with some maintenance and the original owners are usually fairly happy. But, let the truck get closer 200K or above and it can definitely become an expensive nightmare to maintain/replace. I regularly have customers come to my shop with estimates from the dealer for $3k-$6k in repairs and they are beside themselves because they paid over 50 grand for a pickup and 150-200K miles later they are faced with dumping a ton of money in the truck to keep it going. With that being said... My Volvo needed both EGR valves and an EGR cooler when I bought it. Those parts will give you sticker shock for sure!!!!! I am certainly happy that my 06 Volvo no longer has to worry about replacing those. There is something to be said for the earlier non emissions trucks if you are handy and/or don't have an unlimited budget. Just my 2 cents. Jeremy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jpar19 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 2010 630 with DPF and no issues so far, but I know that could change in an instant. I just figure it in the budget for the future. To get the I-shift, it was what I had to do Only complaint so far is from the wife when she climbed out of the cab, hey, something hot over here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Pearl Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I'm looking at Semi Glider kits with rebuild pre emissions engines. Fitzgerald gliders is on my list. Other wise I will purchase a per emissions semi truck up to 2007 check the Truck Paper. I have heard to many stories about electronic issues that cannot be repaired on the road and must go the dealer, (I have a code means $$$). Just my thoughts hope it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 I'm looking at Semi Glider kits with rebuild pre emissions engines. Fitzgerald gliders is on my list. Other wise I will purchase a per emissions semi truck up to 2007 check the Truck Paper. I have heard to many stories about electronic issues that cannot be repaired on the road and must go the dealer, (I have a code means $$$). Just my thoughts hope it helps. If your getting a Fitzgerald glider, (if you want an automated transmission) order it without engine and have the newer harness installed. This way you have the engine and transmission installed with the "newer" harness and now you have a modern automated transmission with a "pre" EPA'd engine! Best of both worlds! Sorry you cannot do this with a Volvo! So there will not be "those" electrical issues! Curt 2001 Freightliner Century, 500hp Series 60, Gen 2 autoshift, 3.42 singled rear locker. 2004 Keystone Sprinter 299RLS (TT) 2 & 4 Wheelers! 2013 Polaris Ranger 800 midsize LE Our motto "4 wheels move the body, 2 wheels move the soul!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alan0043 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Is there any name brand DEF fluid that is better than another brand ? I guess I am asking which DEF fluid has the best results. Al 2012 Volvo VNL 630 w/ I-Shift; D13 engine; " Veeger " Redwood, model 3401R ; 5th Wheel Trailer, " Dead Wood " 2006 Smart Car " Killer Frog " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Pearl Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) is an aqueous urea solution made with 32.5% urea and 67.5% deionized water. I don't think there are any differences in the product at this point. Oh by the way this stuff will freeze at 12F / -11C that is why the supply lines are heated, and a pump recirculates the fluid back to the heated tank. This the noise you hear after the vehicle is shut down for about a minute or so. I was testing Volvo D13 tier four final engines this winter, we had problems with that supply line and a bad DEF level sensor. This triggers you guessed it "codes" and engine goes into creep mode quickly. Sadly the days of duct tape are over if you by new. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 And that creep mode is the killer. Don't know about it with HDT but when my chevy did this 15mph was tops in tow. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 If your getting a Fitzgerald glider, (if you want an automated transmission) order it without engine and have the newer harness installed. This way you have the engine and transmission installed with the "newer" harness and now you have a modern automated transmission with a "pre" EPA'd engine! Best of both worlds! Sorry you cannot do this with a Volvo! So there will not be "those" electrical issues! Curt Been looking online at Fitzgerald gliders. Very impressive. If I was in the market for a new truck that would be it. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steiny93 Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 To the question if one brand of fluid is better then another. The brand doesn't matter but the age of the fluid does, and high temps (summer) accelerates the breakdown. (I have a dodge ecodiesel and they use def slowly, so lots of this chatter on those forums) Best option is to get def at the pump at larger volume truck stops. Their def is cycled quickly and is fresher then the stuff in the jugs. The jugs also have date codes on them, watch those if you go that route. 2000 volvo 6102013 cyclone 3950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 Diesel exhaust fluid (DEF) is an aqueous urea solution made with 32.5% urea and 67.5% deionized water. I don't think there are any differences in the product at this point. Oh by the way this stuff will freeze at 12F / -11C that is why the supply lines are heated, and a pump recirculates the fluid back to the heated tank. This the noise you hear after the vehicle is shut down for about a minute or so. I was testing Volvo D13 tier four final engines this winter, we had problems with that supply line and a bad DEF level sensor. This triggers you guessed it "codes" and engine goes into creep mode quickly. Sadly the days of duct tape are over if you by new. So, does it really freeze, or do crystals form which settle out when it gets cold? I use 28% UAN fertilizer, and I had a batch settle out a few years ago because they shipped me 32% by mistake. I've never had it freeze. KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSeas Posted June 9, 2016 Report Share Posted June 9, 2016 "So, does it really freeze, or do crystals form which settle out when it gets cold?" Here's some good info..... http://govictoryblue.com/2013/10/23/def-freezing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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