Dutch_12078 Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 8 hours ago, Ray,IN said: I've been searching for regulations I may freely copy N paste to no avail. I did however find this that further complicates the open access to LP cylinder valves discussion: https://www.amazon.com/propane-tank-valve-lock/s?k=propane+tank+valve+lock Of course that does not mean those devices are legal, just that they are available. That is from: https://www.laigroup.com/propane-tank-locks-security-valve-locks.php for unused cylinders. Those lock devices seal and lock the service valve outlet. They do not restrict access to the valve handle. Because the outlet is sealed, turning the valve on does not release any LP. Quote Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehc Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 The only property codes I can find after an extensive search only regulate the parking and living in RV's. I can find nothing restricting the locking down a tank or covering the valve, If someone has one please correct me. My bottles are locked to the van. The bottles are in a box. The box can be locked. If I'm away, I now lock the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 I have been following this one closely also because our current part-time RV travel is with a small travel trailer that has only 1, 20# bottle on the tongue and I keep a spare inside of the locked shell on the back of our truck. Quote Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfaa Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 https://www.propane101.com/explodingpropanetanks.htm also AFPA 1192 Quote Helen and I are long timers ..08 F-350 Ford,LB,CC,6.4L,4X4, Dually,4:10 diff dragging around a 2013 Montana 3402 Big Sky SKP 100137. North Ridgeville, Ohio in the summer, sort of and where ever it is warm in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packnrat Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 i have seen many a tank. and many videos of tanks getting shot from small cal up to the 50 cal none have exploded. but just fall over sending out a flame through the hole left by the bullet. but what does exploding tanks have to do with my question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray,IN Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said: Those lock devices seal and lock the service valve outlet. They do not restrict access to the valve handle. Because the outlet is sealed, turning the valve on does not release any LP. Click the Amazon link Quote 2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA ." And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfaa Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 1 hour ago, packnrat said: i have seen many a tank. and many videos of tanks getting shot from small cal up to the 50 cal none have exploded. but just fall over sending out a flame through the hole left by the bullet. but what does exploding tanks have to do with my question? You might want t o read the entire article . Quote Helen and I are long timers ..08 F-350 Ford,LB,CC,6.4L,4X4, Dually,4:10 diff dragging around a 2013 Montana 3402 Big Sky SKP 100137. North Ridgeville, Ohio in the summer, sort of and where ever it is warm in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 2 hours ago, Ray,IN said: Click the Amazon link The LP valve lock is not legal for RV use under NFPA 1192. Residential and commercial use falls under different rules. Quote Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
packnrat Posted July 17, 2019 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 55 minutes ago, richfaa said: You might want t o read the entire article . this thread i started had nothing to do with fire, or exploding tanks, it had to do with preventing theft. maybe time to close this thread as it has gotten way off my topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehc Posted July 17, 2019 Report Share Posted July 17, 2019 Lock the tank and protect your property. I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray,IN Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 (edited) 22 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said: The LP valve lock is not legal for RV use under NFPA 1192. Residential and commercial use falls under different rules. Right! You may legally sell almost anything, whether it is legal to use or not. Did you notice those are on 20# cylinders, they are/were legal for semi-permanent tanks. I have seen them on tanks at houses years ago, the LP supplier locked the valve for non-payment. Edited July 18, 2019 by Ray,IN Quote 2000 Winnebago Ultimate Freedom USQ40JD, ISC 8.3 Cummins 350, Spartan MM Chassis. USA IN 1SG retired;Good Sam Life member,FMCA ." And so, my fellow Americans: ask not what your country can do for you--ask what you can do for your country. John F. Kennedy 20 Jan 1961 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfaa Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 If one does the research it may be determined that the only reason that there is not a lock on the propane doors is so..... they can be turned off if need be like going through a tunnel or fueling and there are regulations to that effect. One can do most Anything they wish to prevent against theft as long as the ability to turn off the tank is not affected. We do nothing and never have. Quote Helen and I are long timers ..08 F-350 Ford,LB,CC,6.4L,4X4, Dually,4:10 diff dragging around a 2013 Montana 3402 Big Sky SKP 100137. North Ridgeville, Ohio in the summer, sort of and where ever it is warm in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehc Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 NFPA standards are voluntary, not law. Site a federal or state code or law. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfaa Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 Are NFPA standards mandatory? In most cases, compliance with NFPA standards is voluntary. However, in some cases, federal or state Occupational Safety and Health (OSHA) agencies have incorporated wording from NFPA standards into regulations. In these cases, complying with the standards is mandatory. Can you post for the education of all the standards that are mandatory and those that are not. Quote Helen and I are long timers ..08 F-350 Ford,LB,CC,6.4L,4X4, Dually,4:10 diff dragging around a 2013 Montana 3402 Big Sky SKP 100137. North Ridgeville, Ohio in the summer, sort of and where ever it is warm in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted July 18, 2019 Report Share Posted July 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Ray,IN said: Right! You may legally sell almost anything, whether it is legal to use or not. Did you notice those are on 20# cylinders, they are/were legal for semi-permanent tanks. I have seen them on tanks at houses years ago, the LP supplier locked the valve for non-payment. In the context of RV use, NFPA 1192 applies. In the context of residential use, it does not. Obviously there are a number of ways to block access to both RV and residential LP valves that can be easily purchased. The valve access requirement is typically for emergency use to turn off the gas flow, where a dealer locking a tank for non-payment would typically mean the valve is already turned off, and the lock is to prevent turning it back on. Or a lock could be used to lock out a tank valve while a gas line is being serviced. Neither events normally apply to RV use though... Quote Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barbaraok Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) Most states adopted NFPA standards into their regulation by incorporation, same with the national electric standards, etc. All RV manufacturers follow the RV standards, which incorporate standards from various organization. Nothing in those standards saying you can’t secure your cylinders, only that the shut off valve be accessible by emergency personnel when it is hooked up to your rig. They also require that tanks be vented to the atmosphere. Would anyone disagree with that? I truly don’t understand what I keep seeing. If more people followed best practices there wouldn’t have been standards and regulations promulgated in answer to injuries and death. Edited July 19, 2019 by Barbaraok Quote Barb & Dave O'Keeffe 2002 Alpine 36 MDDS (Figment II), 2018 Ford C-Max HYBRID Blog: http://www.barbanddave.net SPK# 90761 FMCA #F337834 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sehc Posted July 19, 2019 Report Share Posted July 19, 2019 (edited) No one argues to not vent the tanks to atmosphere. OP and I want our tanks secured from vandals and thieves. I can find no state or federal law that says I can't lock the cover to protect the valve on my RV. No one can seem to site one for my education. What a manufacturer of the RV is required to do doesn't affect what I can do with my RV. The exception is emissions on the engine. Edited July 19, 2019 by Sehc spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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