chief916 Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Well... just pulled the trigger on a 2015 Smart Brabus...in Alpharetta GA. This trip should give us an idea as to what we will be up against in August when we head out for Sturgis. Seven and a half hours away. DW planned it so and I just drive. So far I have 8 1k ratchet straps and wheel chocks... hopefully that should do it to secure the vehicle. Probably should throw some 5k chains in with it. I'll think about that , not unless there are those of you out there who have had some compelling experiences to relay on. I'll post when we get back. Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Tie the wheels and tires only not from suspension. No real frame avail anyway. On the trucks we use car hauler straps over the tires to points on bed. You’ll need to see how it lines up for you. Have seen guys use tie downs through spokes in wheels. 5k chains or any chains not req. 😳 4 straps and you should be fine. Enjoy! Quote Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chief916 Posted March 24, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 5 minutes ago, billr said: Tie the wheels and tires only not from suspension. No real frame avail anyway. On the trucks we use car hauler straps over the tires to points on bed. You’ll need to see how it lines up for you. Have seen guys use tie downs through spokes in wheels. 5k chains or any chains not req. 😳 4 straps and you should be fine. Enjoy! Thank you sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. cob Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 Howdy When I tie the Smart Car down in my toy hauler, I just use tie down straps that go through the wheel and then clip to the rings in the toy hauler floor. Been doing it this way for the last two years, 30,000 miles with no problems. I am really looking forward to getting the deck built on the back of the Pete, so I can carry the Smart Car on the truck and get the full use of my toy hauler garage again. Dave Quote 2001 Peterbilt, 379, Known As "Semi-Sane II", towing a 2014 Voltage 3818, 45 foot long toy hauler crammed full of motorcycles of all types. Visit my photo web site where you will find thousands of photos of my motorcycle wanderings and other aspects of my life, click this link. http://mr-cob.smugmug.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclord2002 Posted March 24, 2018 Report Share Posted March 24, 2018 I prefer the over the wheel straps with the rubber tread blocks as opposed to the basket straps. Just my personal preference. Have fun with your new Smart. Charlie Quote Don't ever tell a soldier that he doesn't understand the cost of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hone eagle Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Iam with Charlie ,the wheel baskets were always finding ways to lose tension - straps not so much. Quote 2005 volvo 670 freedomline singledNewmar Torrey Pine 34rskswoot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiefneon Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Howdy! If your referring to securing to Smart Car inside a Toy Hauler I do the same as Dave. One ratchet strap through the front tires and one through the rear tires. Both are secured with the D rings on the TH floor. Been hauling it that way for four years no problems. ” Happy Trails” Chiefneon Quote "Class of 2007 Fulltimer's" Gary & karen Smoochie & Michaela (fur babies) 2018 Chevorlet 3500 HD/LTZ 2L Custom Hauler 2014 Heartland Cyclone 4000 2016 Smart Car Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. cob Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Howdy All, In my Toy Hauler the way the D rings are located I couldn't use the baskets if I wanted to, or the straps that go over the tires, by far the easiest way for me is to use strap through the wheels. That said, I will be using the strap winches and the straps that go OVER the tire with the little rubber blocks on them to tie down the Smart Car when I load behind the sleeper on the Pete. A question for those of you who use the straps that go over the tires, where did you get them and did they come with short straps the only ones I have seen come with straps over 12 feet long, lot of wasted strap that has to be cut off and paid for when you buy the setup. Dave Quote 2001 Peterbilt, 379, Known As "Semi-Sane II", towing a 2014 Voltage 3818, 45 foot long toy hauler crammed full of motorcycles of all types. Visit my photo web site where you will find thousands of photos of my motorcycle wanderings and other aspects of my life, click this link. http://mr-cob.smugmug.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hone eagle Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 US cargocontrol they sell the rubber blocks in box sets- with or without straps Quote 2005 volvo 670 freedomline singledNewmar Torrey Pine 34rskswoot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. cob Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 16 minutes ago, hone eagle said: US cargocontrol they sell the rubber blocks in box sets- with or without straps Howdy hone eagal, Thanks for the company name, found them on the web I'll call them Monday. What width of strap do you use, when using the over the wheel straps? Dav e Quote 2001 Peterbilt, 379, Known As "Semi-Sane II", towing a 2014 Voltage 3818, 45 foot long toy hauler crammed full of motorcycles of all types. Visit my photo web site where you will find thousands of photos of my motorcycle wanderings and other aspects of my life, click this link. http://mr-cob.smugmug.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hewhoknowslittle Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) I got mine from discount ramps. Less than 90.00 for all 4 over the tire with rubber blocks. I love mine and in my winter trip over 6,000 miles the never came loose. But if you want baskets I have a set of 4 used a couple of times for sale 70.00. Roger Edited March 25, 2018 by Hewhoknowslittle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 3” straps. Us cargo for mine too. Cut off excess strap. Burn ends. Been using over tire straps with the rubber blocks for 10 years. Quote Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. cob Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 1 hour ago, billr said: 3” straps. Us cargo for mine too. Cut off excess strap. Burn ends. Been using over tire straps with the rubber blocks for 10 years. Howdy Bill, I can only see 2" and 4" strap winches listed at US Cargo control, did you find 3" winches or do you use another method of tightening the straps? Dav e Quote 2001 Peterbilt, 379, Known As "Semi-Sane II", towing a 2014 Voltage 3818, 45 foot long toy hauler crammed full of motorcycles of all types. Visit my photo web site where you will find thousands of photos of my motorcycle wanderings and other aspects of my life, click this link. http://mr-cob.smugmug.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 I purchased wheel straps that I use for the SC in the TH'er from this company. I also used their L-track that works very well. Quote Rick & Carey,Excel W41GKE Wild Cargo Toyhauler Volvo 730, D13, I-shift, 500/1850Brabus Smart Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billr Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 9 hours ago, mr. cob said: Howdy Bill, I can only see 2" and 4" strap winches listed at US Cargo control, did you find 3" winches or do you use another method of tightening the straps? Dav e Sorry they are indeed 2”. http://www.uscargocontrol.com/Towing-Auto-Hauling/Wheel-Straps-for-Auto-Hauling/Car-Carrier-Strap-w-Swivel-Hooks-Fixed-Rubber-Blocks-Rat_2 Quote Bill and Joan and 3 Collie pups 2001 Volvo VNL 770 "The Doghouse" Singled short, "ET" hItch VED12 465HP Gen 1 Autoshift 3.58 ratio 2005 Mobile Suite 38RL3 2011 Smart Passion loaded piggybacK Weigh-It Portable RV Scales http://www.weighitrv.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 We used to haul the smart in the T/H, but this last trip I finally got around to loading on the deck. Holy Cow, there's no going back. No more crawling around, fishing straps through wheels or under the car to get a decent pull to the tie down points. Now it's all done from the ground, in far less time. Plus, it makes more room for bikes, and keeps them clean. We use the 2" straps and tread blocks, except on one wheel, where there's not room, so a 1" strap w/ ratchet there. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio@yahoo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdickinson Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 (edited) 2". Cage had to be enlarged. 450 tires were 22" diameter and 453's were 24". Shown here is 450. Extension plates for chocks to accommodate longer 453. Slots allow for flexibility of placement including twisting if car is loaded slightly crooked. Extensions to A frame to prevent both pulleys from hitting. A frame needed to be stood off the truck more. This is the older shorter car. Even with a 2x6 to space the frame out more, it was still an issue. There was plenty of Kevlar cable to go to a double line pull. It is slower but less jerky. The new car has a hitch in which I put a snatch block....A marine pulley. Cable goes thru the pulley on the car, and back to the A frame. 1" thick OSB boards to allow car to go over the deck edge without ripping off underbody parts. Same can be accomplished by blocking up the dirt end of the ramps by 2-3" and putting a pce of angle iron in the ramp hinge. Edited March 25, 2018 by rdickinson typo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Using the L - track & strap like the auto carriers would leave you with a few tie down points on the deck for securing other stuff when not smart hauling... Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. cob Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 2 hours ago, billr said: Sorry they are indeed 2”. http://www.uscargocontrol.com/Towing-Auto-Hauling/Wheel-Straps-for-Auto-Hauling/Car-Carrier-Strap-w-Swivel-Hooks-Fixed-Rubber-Blocks-Rat_2 Howdy Bill, Thanks, for the clarification. Dave Quote 2001 Peterbilt, 379, Known As "Semi-Sane II", towing a 2014 Voltage 3818, 45 foot long toy hauler crammed full of motorcycles of all types. Visit my photo web site where you will find thousands of photos of my motorcycle wanderings and other aspects of my life, click this link. http://mr-cob.smugmug.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 Rick....I agree with you strapping down the the car in the TH'er is not as much fun as the the deck. The L-track that I installed in the TH'er has made it possible to tie down anything that fits in there. The original D-rings were a compromise. I use the wheel straps on the Polaris RZR 1000 SxS and the wheel baskets on the SC on the deck. It is also easy to tie down our motorbikes in the back with the L-tack since it offers a multitude of hardware that attaches to it. Also, noticed the the straps from Cargo Equipment are 30% less than the ones from US Cargo. I have no affiliation with either company but being in the wholesale parts business 30% is the margin we set for our retailers on this kind of stuff. US Cargo could be buying from the other company and make the 30% margin. IMO Quote Rick & Carey,Excel W41GKE Wild Cargo Toyhauler Volvo 730, D13, I-shift, 500/1850Brabus Smart Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted March 25, 2018 Report Share Posted March 25, 2018 I've used baskets for years. But no longer will use them, and we will no longer supply them with our beds. We will use either over the wheel straps with tire blocks, or more likely, through the wheel tie-downs. Personally, the through the wheel ones will be the ones I use. The baskets are too hard to place properly on 453's and they are more prone to movement or coming loose. Because they are harder to put on, I've seen many - and I mean many - "dubious" tiedown efforts. The other methods are more reliable for most people. Don't get me wrong, the baskets work fine if properly handled. My opinions, only. Quote Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. cob Posted March 26, 2018 Report Share Posted March 26, 2018 15 minutes ago, Jack Mayer said: I've used baskets for years. But no longer will use them, and we will no longer supply them with our beds. We will use either over the wheel straps with tire blocks, or more likely, through the wheel tie-downs. Personally, the through the wheel ones will be the ones I use. The baskets are too hard to place properly on 453's and they are more prone to movement or coming loose. Because they are harder to put on, I've seen many - and I mean many - "dubious" tiedown efforts. The other methods are more reliable for most people. Don't get me wrong, the baskets work fine if properly handled. My opinions, only. Howdy Jack, I am now using the through the wheel type of tie down when carrying the Smart in the toy hauler, I am ready to buy the nessisary parts to tie down the Smart on a truck bed, do you have any photos of the through the wheel tie downs being use to secure a Smart to a truck bed, maybe I can save some money using what I already have. Thanks. Dave Quote 2001 Peterbilt, 379, Known As "Semi-Sane II", towing a 2014 Voltage 3818, 45 foot long toy hauler crammed full of motorcycles of all types. Visit my photo web site where you will find thousands of photos of my motorcycle wanderings and other aspects of my life, click this link. http://mr-cob.smugmug.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike5511 Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 On 3/24/2018 at 9:54 PM, Hewhoknowslittle said: I got mine from discount ramps. Less than 90.00 for all 4 over the tire with rubber blocks. I love mine and in my winter trip over 6,000 miles the never came loose. But if you want baskets I have a set of 4 used a couple of times for sale 70.00. Roger Those straps came with two looks like? The four pack is currently out of stock on their web-site. You must of caused a run on them!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted December 17, 2019 Report Share Posted December 17, 2019 https://www.cargoequipmentcorp.com/car-and-truck-hauling-tie-down-straps/wheel-straps Quote Rick & Carey,Excel W41GKE Wild Cargo Toyhauler Volvo 730, D13, I-shift, 500/1850Brabus Smart Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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