rbertalotto Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 This morning I'm looking at the door on the refrigerator in my Forest River 19RR Toy Hauler. The decorative wood front panel never fit properly. It was cut just a bit to small and pops out of the channel that holds it. I realized that the edge molding on the door simply pops off and the panel can be slid out. When I removed the panel I saw that the factory used a bunch of tooth picks to prop up the too small panel and hold it in place. The toothpicks moved and and the panel dropped down a bit. Simply amazing that they can't even cut a simple panel to the correct size. And we pay big $$ for this crap! RoyB South of Boston 2021 Dodge 2500 - 6.4L Forest River 19RR Toy Hauler Roofnest Falcon Rooftop Tent www.rvbprecision.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirakawa Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yeah, a good cabinet maker would have used plastic tubing for shims. Everybody wanna hear the truth, but everybody tell a lie. Everybody wanna go to Heaven, but nobody want to die. Albert King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newt Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Terrible QC and shoddy workmanship! So, what's new? Newt 2012 HitchHiker Discover America 345 LKSB 2009 Dodge/Cummins LIVINGSTON TX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dutch_12078 Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 Exactly... Hang around the RV forums long enough, and you'll figure out that "QC" at some RV manufacturers consists of a guy standing at the exit as new units roll out saying "Looks good from here." Dutch 2001 GBM Landau 34' Class A F-53 Chassis, Triton V10, TST TPMS 2011 Toyota RAV4 4WD/Remco pump ReadyBrute Elite tow bar/brake system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RBH Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 For years the only QC inspector for the low to medium priced RVs is the guy who buys it and once the money changes hands he has little pull with the manufacturer. Nothing new, the big three operated the same way until Imports forced otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfaa Posted February 28, 2017 Report Share Posted February 28, 2017 A tour of any brand factory and price range will be very educational in terms of quality and workmanship and we have been to many, may plants. Helen and I are long timers ..08 F-350 Ford,LB,CC,6.4L,4X4, Dually,4:10 diff dragging around a 2013 Montana 3402 Big Sky SKP 100137. North Ridgeville, Ohio in the summer, sort of and where ever it is warm in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oldelevman Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Only been to one manufacturer and that's Outdoors RV in LaGrande, Oregon. The tour guide was one of the factory reps. He was very thorough and didn't mind a lot of questions. I was impressed with the quality and workmanship. It takes a week to build a trailer, not hours like some manufacturers brag about. There's a reason for their great reviews. Northwoods is in the same town. Can't miss with either one! Jim & Linda Kelly 2015 F-350 DRW 2WD 14k gvwr 2016 Outdoors Wind River 270cisw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Al F Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 Only been to one manufacturer and that's Outdoors RV in LaGrande, Oregon. The tour guide was one of the factory reps. He was very thorough and didn't mind a lot of questions. I was impressed with the quality and workmanship. It takes a week to build a trailer, not hours like some manufacturers brag about. There's a reason for their great reviews. Northwoods is in the same town. Can't miss with either one! Looking at the Outdoors RV website, it really "looks" impressive. I would think they should be a trailer folks should look at and consider if planning on buying. Al & Sharon 2006 Winnebago Journey 36G 2020 Chevy Colorado Toad San Antonio, TX http://downtheroadaroundthebend.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apopj Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 And STILL we buy this crap... who's worse, those who make it or those who buy it knowingly? I support the "Thin Blue Line" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirakawa Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 And STILL we buy this crap... who's worse, those who make it or those who buy it knowingly? Because the worst day in my crappy RV was better than the best day in a hospital bed. Everybody wanna hear the truth, but everybody tell a lie. Everybody wanna go to Heaven, but nobody want to die. Albert King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted March 5, 2017 Report Share Posted March 5, 2017 This is why we sought out a 2003 Teton. We looked at a lot of the newer units and just were not impressed. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oscarvan Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 My favorite...... Previously a 2017 Forest River, Berkshire 38A, "The Dragonship". https://dragonship.blog/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chevy3500 Posted March 10, 2017 Report Share Posted March 10, 2017 Lot of hand crafted Amish quality right there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freestoneangler Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Well, part of the issue is that most of us are wanting top quality and rock bottom price. This has been the trend across many market segments and amplified by the overseas labor market which so many companies tapped into -- once that started (thanks Jack Welsh), the others had no choice. There are still niche markets where companies can make profit providing high end, quality - but not as many as before the great outsourcing decade. That said, the OP's example is still pretty darn shoddy and beyond what any of us (or the suppliers themselves) would expect or accept. I would send them and the dealer I purchased the rig from pictures and shame them into some compensation. The only way this crappy level of quality gets corrected is if people stop buying. That hasn't happened with the Wally World goods and suspect it won't with the RV industry either. Having our cake and eating it too simply does not work. I wonder if the toothpicks were turned on a lathe to get the correct interference fit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richfaa Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 Might be surprised at how many units come off the line per day. Helen and I are long timers ..08 F-350 Ford,LB,CC,6.4L,4X4, Dually,4:10 diff dragging around a 2013 Montana 3402 Big Sky SKP 100137. North Ridgeville, Ohio in the summer, sort of and where ever it is warm in the winter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petrel Posted March 15, 2017 Report Share Posted March 15, 2017 The DW and I are grateful for our experiences with Forest River as new Travel Trailer (Coachman) customers. The lessons learned there saved us from making the mistake of purchasing a motorhome (Dynamax) from them! 2006 Renegade/Freightliner Coronado 43', Detroit, twin screw, 12spd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pappy Yokum Posted March 16, 2017 Report Share Posted March 16, 2017 On 2/28/2017 at 5:39 AM, Newt said: Terrible QC and shoddy workmanship! So, what's new? Newt Ditto what he said (above)! rbertalotto - nobody is forcing you to pay (what you think is) ".....big $$ for this crap". Big $$ - is a new Horizons! The Teton a poster mentioned *was* a quality product, until the last few years before they folded. The "QC" on many/most trailers and RVs is by piece workers ("Quality Amish Craftsmen", LOL) It's SOP - and has been for years and years. What makes you think it will change? Yes - there are a few mfgrs (very few) that care about quality - and verifying what comes off the production line. Had a chat with an RV salesman once (he knew I was just killing time) about folks bringing trailers back for repairs of "things" both the factory and dealer "missed" prior to delivery.. His suggestion: The factory should supply the buyer with a nice set of tools. it is - what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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