rbertalotto Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 So on another thread we went down a path of possibly using airbags or air shocks to level a travel trailer from side to side. Looking under the trailer it appeared that a single airbag with an arm contacting both axles might be the way to go. Today a buddy of mine that builds hotrods stopped by and we were looking under the trailer. He suggested I simply remove the bracket that supports the center link on the two leaf springs and insert an airbag here: He suggested I'd need to install a panhard rod to stop the axles from shifting side to side I believe a single panhard rod from the perch that will sit ontop of the center link with the airbag above would be sufficient. Now I'm looking for input and comments from the engineer type folks on this forum. What say you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Chad Heiser Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Americana RV offers an air suspension on their trailers that can be used for side to side leveling. I would look at what they have an how they do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbertalotto Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 Interesting! They are also using the center link to apply air pressure. In this photo it looks like they still have leaf springs and also shock absorbers. Looks like simple control arms running at a 45 degree angle from the axle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 But you are still stuck with shackles that wear and break. Also look at the shackles in the picture. They will flip very easy from that angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMIKEM Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 You could use the air bags for leveling but what about the stability of the trailer? it still would shake and rock when you walk thru, or when the wind blows, I have a 32 foot Moho you can feel it move when walking thru or moving around etc. but not when the jacks are down, i think you would have to go to the ground for the stability unless that doesn't bother you. if you have scissor jacks i would try to use a drill to crank the jacks down faster,or rig hydraulics to the thing using salvage parts to keep costs down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vermilye Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 You could use the air bags for leveling but what about the stability of the trailer? it still would shake and rock when you walk thru, or when the wind blows, I have a 32 foot Moho you can feel it move when walking thru or moving around etc. but not when the jacks are down, i think you would have to go to the ground for the stability unless that doesn't bother you. if you have scissor jacks i would try to use a drill to crank the jacks down faster,or rig hydraulics to the thing using salvage parts to keep costs down. That is the problem with air bags. Unless you inflate them against a stop, they remain "squishy". I suppose with enough weight it might not be a problem, but in most cases they are not going to be as stable as jacks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMIKEM Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 That is the problem with air bags. Unless you inflate them against a stop, they remain "squishy". I suppose with enough weight it might not be a problem, but in most cases they are not going to be as stable as jacks. My point to him exactly, he might not care about the instability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbertalotto Posted August 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 I've used airbags in a number of vehicles. This ain't a party balloon we are talking about. With just 30psi they are hard as a rock. Very little air and lots of rubber in a 2500# airbag. And I would still be using my stabilizers to stop the giggle factor. No airbags that are used in a suspension system are inflated against a hard stop. They still have vertical give as they are part of an active suspension. But very little in the horizontal plane. Still not sure which way I'm going to go. Still need to do a bit more research on air-shocks as this might be easier still. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMIKEM Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 i don't have a trailer, so having stabilizers and levelers seems redundant, is it the time to use the stabilizers the problem? or they don't support enough weight ? whats the benefit? i am not being sarcastic just want to know why both. iv'e seen some of your stuff and they are cool additions, this one(probably cuz i don't have a trailer) has me wondering why let me know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted August 18, 2016 Report Share Posted August 18, 2016 i don't have a trailer, so having stabilizers and levelers seems redundant, is it the time to use the stabilizers the problem? I believe that the leveling being discusses is leveling once parked, for living in the RV. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeanhoyle Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 We have an Americana Fifth wheel GS 34/35 with the air ride suspension. The suspension does help smothe out a rough road. But with that said, once we arrive in our site we level the rig from side to side with the air bags and then deploy the landing gear to stabilize the trailer. There are two air bags, right and left between the axles mounted on a framework with shocks. Keep in mind this came out before the automatic leveling systems like BigFoot. It is not an automatic system. We enjoy the ride of our fifth wheel with the air ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbertalotto Posted August 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Yes, airbags to level when parked. Stabilizers will still be deployed to stop movement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMIKEM Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 I believe that the leveling being discusses is leveling once parked, for living in the RV. Kirk i know that, it's for parking, why both? why add air bags, could he NOT level his RV before with just the stabilizers? how was the trailer leveled before adding air bags? if the stabilizers were used to level the rig before, why add the air bags WHY both? seems to me having air bags to level the rig then using the stabilizer is redundant what reason for adding bags HOW WAS THE TRAILER LEVELED BEFORE ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGMIKEM Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Yes, airbags to level when parked. Stabilizers will still be deployed to stop movement. OK here is a question for you, how do you level your trailer now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Here's a different twist on leveling a trailer with an "air bag". ---ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Heiser Posted August 19, 2016 Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Kirk i know that, it's for parking, why both? why add air bags, could he NOT level his RV before with just the stabilizers? how was the trailer leveled before adding air bags? if the stabilizers were used to level the rig before, why add the air bags WHY both? seems to me having air bags to level the rig then using the stabilizer is redundant what reason for adding bags HOW WAS THE TRAILER LEVELED BEFORE ???? Stabilizers have nothing to do with leveling. If a trailer only has stabilizer jacks, it mus first be leveled side to side with blocks under the tires (or in the case of the Amercana with the airbags) and then leveled front to back with the landing gear. Once the trailer is level, then the stabilizer jacks (usually in the rear, but some people will also add them just in front of the tires) are put down to make the trailer more stable. This was how all trailers were leveled out before the automatic leveling systems came into existence. Stabilizer jacks are not meant to lift, they are only meant to steady the trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbertalotto Posted August 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2016 Two weekends ago I damaged one of my stabilizer jacks by using it to level the trailer. I actually lifted one side of the trailers tires off the ground! After camping I tried to lower the jack and it was jammed. I had to pull the trailer off the jack to get free. Luckily my stabilizer jacks are not attached to the bottom of the trailer and are stored loose. Stabilizer jacks are not designed to lift and level a multi thousand pound trailer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Laninga Posted August 20, 2016 Report Share Posted August 20, 2016 That is the problem with air bags. Unless you inflate them against a stop, they remain "squishy". I suppose with enough weight it might not be a problem, but in most cases they are not going to be as stable as jacks. Just for reference, I level my MH on air bags and it is no more "squishy" than friends with the same size coach with hard jacks. But then, my coach is 43,000 lbs. and I have 10 air bags to support it... == John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdickinson Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 Here's a different twist on leveling a trailer with an "air bag". ---ron A few years ago, I spoke to the guy who made them, he may be out of business. The method used to make them is still around...probably on UTube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rpsinc Posted August 31, 2016 Report Share Posted August 31, 2016 A few years ago, I spoke to the guy who made them, he may be out of business. The method used to make them is still around...probably on UTube. I think you may be referring to RV Pillow. I talked to him. He had a patent and was VERY proud of his company. He was asking a price that I could not touch, although I was VERY interested in buying that business. I have made a few with the aluminum clamps(RV Pillow didnt use those) and they work OK. Amazing for lifting and supporting all kinds of things but not for stabilizing. Jiggle, jiggle. If the RV's rockin' dont be knockin'. Remember?? Lots of rockin with those unless fully inflated or up to a stop, as stated. FYI- I will be installing a Big Foot system in a large 5er I am remodeling. They seem to have it figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom_M Posted September 1, 2016 Report Share Posted September 1, 2016 So on another thread we went down a path of possibly using airbags or air shocks to level a travel trailer from side to side. Looking under the trailer it appeared that a single airbag with an arm contacting both axles might be the way to go. Put the airbag under one axle. It will work just as well for leveling. No need for the crossbar and springs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbertalotto Posted September 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2016 Tom, I tested this with a screw jack under one axle and you are correct. Thanks for the suggestion. Still haven't decided if airbag or air shocks will be the way to go. For ease of install, airbags get the nod. But air shocks would also allow the trailer to ride nicer. Decisions,decisions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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