Five Wood Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 I have Colman Mac 15K AC unit that is 2 1/2 years old. In the last couple of days the fan will pause momentarily and then start again, while it is already running. It doesn't do it on start up, so I don't think it's the start capacitor. When this happens a burnt smell comes through the vents. It would seem that the fan motor is binding up. Any idea's on a fix for this? Or is the fan motor on it's way out? Thanks Jim JimSKP: 99693If you think you can, or you think you can't. . . you are probably right (Henry Ford)2014 Dodge 4WD Dually1998 Carriage LS-341 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&J Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 First the fan motor doesn't have a start capacitor just run a capacitor, you will have to go up on thr roof and take the cover off and make sure the motor spins freely without any power to it. If it binds at all it will need to be replaced. Denny Denny & Jami SKP#90175 Most Timing with Mac our Scottie, RIP Jasper our Westie 2013 F350 SC DRW 6.2 V8 4.30 Gears 2003 HH Premier 35FKTG Home Base Nebraska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjohnt Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 FWIW (zero) I'm with D&J on this one. Unlike the higher starting torque of a compressor, the low torque fan doesn't require any start capacitor, so Id go up top and clean and blow out any dust in/on the fan blower motor and see how well it freely rotates ?? and light lube if its so equipped to do so. John T NOT by any means or stretch HVAC experienced so go with their advice over mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Wood Posted July 16, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 4 hours ago, D&J said: First the fan motor doesn't have a start capacitor just run a capacitor, you will have to go up on thr roof and take the cover off and make sure the motor spins freely without any power to it. If it binds at all it will need to be replaced. Denny Denny I have checked the motor and it spins freely. If the "run capacitor" is bad, will that allow the fan to stop? Jim JimSKP: 99693If you think you can, or you think you can't. . . you are probably right (Henry Ford)2014 Dodge 4WD Dually1998 Carriage LS-341 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted July 16, 2017 Report Share Posted July 16, 2017 Sometimes thing will run until they build up a certain heat or amps then cut out and come back on when the "cool down" A good example is a temprature sensor on many if not most small compressors. It goes by the name of Klixon a lot although if I recall that is a brand name that get used for the same type product. It is used to protect more expensive parts like the compressor. My daughter and son in law had one save their compressor on the fridge. He called me and I could actually hear it on click off ant then click again when it cooled down and reset over my cell phone. He ended up adding a hard start kit and so far so good. I doubt your fan motor has one but the fan itself or the switch or something else could be doing the same thing. The high speed on my Chev. fan did this for a while but eventually it quit. The motor was still good and still operates on the four lower speeds so mine is in the speed control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirakawa Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 On my Dometic Brisk Air II the fan will briefly (one second or so) shut off to change speeds. For example, if the heat is such outside that the a/c is getting behind, the fan will switch to high speed. Then, after it catches back up, it will shut off briefly and switch back to a lower speed. I don't know if that could be what you are referring to. It definitely doesn't have any smell when it does it though. Everybody wanna hear the truth, but everybody tell a lie. Everybody wanna go to Heaven, but nobody want to die. Albert King Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&J Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Five Wood said: Denny I have checked the motor and it spins freely. If the "run capacitor" is bad, will that allow the fan to stop? Jim Yes if the run cap is going bad if could cause that kind of problem, check and see if it's swollen, that will happen on a hot day. Denny Denny & Jami SKP#90175 Most Timing with Mac our Scottie, RIP Jasper our Westie 2013 F350 SC DRW 6.2 V8 4.30 Gears 2003 HH Premier 35FKTG Home Base Nebraska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D&J Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 1 hour ago, bigjim said: Sometimes thing will run until they build up a certain heat or amps then cut out and come back on when the "cool down" A good example is a temprature sensor on many if not most small compressors. It goes by the name of Klixon a lot although if I recall that is a brand name that get used for the same type product. It is used to protect more expensive parts like the compressor. My daughter and son in law had one save their compressor on the fridge. He called me and I could actually hear it on click off ant then click again when it cooled down and reset over my cell phone. He ended up adding a hard start kit and so far so good. I doubt your fan motor has one but the fan itself or the switch or something else could be doing the same thing. The high speed on my Chev. fan did this for a while but eventually it quit. The motor was still good and still operates on the four lower speeds so mine is in the speed control. The fan motor only has a thermo overlaod built into the windings, it opens it will not come back on until the motor cools down. The compressor has a current overload (klixon) that will open if the compressor gets short cycled, it also has a thermo overload in the windings that will stay off for a couple of hours until it cools. Denny Denny & Jami SKP#90175 Most Timing with Mac our Scottie, RIP Jasper our Westie 2013 F350 SC DRW 6.2 V8 4.30 Gears 2003 HH Premier 35FKTG Home Base Nebraska Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Wood Posted July 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 2 hours ago, D&J said: Yes if the run cap is going bad if could cause that kind of problem, check and see if it's swollen, that will happen on a hot day. Denny The top of the capacitor has not pushed up. But they are certainly cheap enough that I will try changing that out to see if it corrects it. It's strange though. . . there are two capacitors in there and neither one has any markings on them what so ever to assist in ordering a replacement. The schematic shows which one is for the fan. I will have to call Coleman to get the proper number. Thanks for the help Jim JimSKP: 99693If you think you can, or you think you can't. . . you are probably right (Henry Ford)2014 Dodge 4WD Dually1998 Carriage LS-341 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted July 17, 2017 Report Share Posted July 17, 2017 11 hours ago, Five Wood said: The schematic shows which one is for the fan. I will have to call Coleman to get the proper number. Because they are cheap, I'd probably do the same but the reality is that even the most technically competent of technicians can only guess if they are not there to take some readings and run some tests. In a prior post one of the members who has a/c repair background mentioned that most of us don't have much knowledge of a/c systems and as a retired service tech myself, I would agree with him. Air conditioning systems are a bit on the unique side of things and tend to be rather specialized. Unfortunately, few RV certified techs actually know a/c well either so many an RV air conditioner gets replaced when a relatively minor repair would have solved the problem if the service tech had known more. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjohnt Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Good evening Jim, FYI I can take my old antique Simpson 260 ANALOG VOM and test good enough to see if a capacitor is totally bad and can gain some insight into if its charging characteristics, HOWEVER, it takes a real and true capacitor tester to properly test a capacitor. That being said bulges and swelling can be indicative of problems, but often I have seen good capacitors with loose burned corroded connectors that were the problem instead. If it were me and the connections all looked good with no evidence of heat or carbon (and you say it turns freely), for no more then the cost if you can get to things and do it yourself, I might just buy BOTH new replacement capacitors and install them while you're in there. Based on what you said if the capacitors cure the problem its fairly cheap n simple, but even if not, you're not out all that much, nuttin ventured nutting gained right?? BUT I don't like the sound of that burned smell you spoke about !!! If things were damaged a capacitor may get her going for a while but it may not last long depending on prior damage. AGAIN I'm NOT an AC tech or service person and just have an electrical background, so do as the HVAC experienced gents say instead of little old me lol John T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 remind me how to discarge a capacitor please safely would be nice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted July 18, 2017 Report Share Posted July 18, 2017 Short across the terminals with a screwdriver. Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjohnt Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 2 hours ago, bigjim said: remind me how to discarge a capacitor please safely would be nice I prefer a jumper wire and series resistor across the leads to discharge a capacitor ESPECIALLY IF A BIG ONE. I don't like a sudden low ohm near dead short (like a screwdriver) as there's an arc n spark and heat and potential short term high current (Subject to capacitor size and voltage and stored energy), and besides that it scares me and makes me jump lol However it indeed 'works" lol and I've seen it done many times, but I prefer a lower current slower energy discharge myself. But to each their own method, anyway anyone chooses to do it is fine with me..........Just because I don't like it one way don't mean others may not ............... John T NOT an HVAC expert, do as they say if you like, but I do have an electrical background Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 11 minutes ago, oldjohnt said: I prefer a jumper wire and series resistor across the leads to discharge a capacitor ESPECIALLY IF A BIG ONE. While I have seen it done many times with a screwdriver or a handy piece of wire, there are many effective ways to do most things, but this method is safer and smarter. As a field tech, I carried a jumper of this type for the purpose. I made the discharge device that I carry today using a 15Kῼ, 5-watt resistor but the instructions from this link are pretty much what I did. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Wood Posted July 19, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 Well, I replaced the run capacitor. We'll see if that was it. Thanks for the responses. Jim JimSKP: 99693If you think you can, or you think you can't. . . you are probably right (Henry Ford)2014 Dodge 4WD Dually1998 Carriage LS-341 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc2 Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 12 hours ago, Kirk Wood said: While I have seen it done many times with a screwdriver or a handy piece of wire, there are many effective ways to do most things, but this method is safer and smarter. As a field tech, I carried a jumper of this type for the purpose. I made the discharge device that I carry today using a 15Kῼ, 5-watt resistor but the instructions from this link are pretty much what I did. Thank you for that link Mr K as I found it very informative. Went into my save file(s) for future use. 2010 Newmar Dutch Aire 4304-Spartan Chassis-Cummins ISL 425hp-2013 Chevrolet Equinox AWD Towed-SKP# 120487-FMCA #402879- Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjohnt Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 I didn't take the time to construct a pretty one like shown in the URL Kirk was kind enough to post lol. Mine were usually a jumper wire with the resistor leads spliced in and a probe or alligator clamp etc to attach to the capacitor terminals. But I still didn't have to encounter a big scary spark and a loud POP even though sure it took a tad longer and a bit more effort to discharge a huge honkin scary fully charged capacitor !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I HATED SPARKS N POPS AND STILL DO TO THIS DAY............ John T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted July 19, 2017 Report Share Posted July 19, 2017 1 hour ago, oldjohnt said: I didn't take the time to construct a pretty one I suspect that I used one much more in my line of work than you did in yours. Like most service techs, I don't care much for the sound of arcing either. It gets too close to the sound of an arc welder, and sometimes even does some welding! Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Five Wood Posted July 30, 2017 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 Well, it seems it was the run capacitor. I changed it out about ten days ago and have had no problem since. Bought a spare for both the run and start capacitor. Thanks for the responses. Jim JimSKP: 99693If you think you can, or you think you can't. . . you are probably right (Henry Ford)2014 Dodge 4WD Dually1998 Carriage LS-341 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 5 hours ago, Five Wood said: I changed it out about ten days ago and have had no problem since. Great news! And thanks for letting us know the end of the story. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldjohnt Posted July 30, 2017 Report Share Posted July 30, 2017 CONGRATULATIONS job well done John T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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