phoenix2013 Posted April 13 Report Share Posted April 13 Got the shipment of these this morning, aren't these beautiful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parrformance Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Burkett Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Awesomely sharp bends and curves. Wow look at those perfect little circle thingies. Did Darren make them for you?😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 Well, my pants are tighter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted April 14 Author Report Share Posted April 14 (edited) 2 hours ago, Larry Burkett said: Awesomely sharp bends and curves. Wow look at those perfect little circle thingies. Did Darren make them for you?😁 Ah, my young padawan, Jedi material be you might. Master Darren whipped his droids to make these and a friendly gungan delivered these today in a ground transporter. How many of you Jedis know what these are for? Edited April 14 by phoenix2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Dreamer Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 They look like they are mounts for some rear rollers for a trailer so they don't drag the rear bumper. We made some similar ones for some 5" rollers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted April 14 Author Report Share Posted April 14 (edited) Master Old Goat had one of these on his Millennium Falcon to help carry his quarters on galaxy pathways. Master Darryn seeks a version for Jedis still in training and not ready for Millennium Falcon. Edited April 14 by phoenix2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted April 14 Author Report Share Posted April 14 More parts arrived today from Master Darryn to improve your chances of figuring out what it's for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danfreda1 Posted April 14 Report Share Posted April 14 I think I know but I’ll wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted April 15 Author Report Share Posted April 15 (edited) Had a chance to look at the parts. I'm impressed. My design called for perfect squareness and matching radiuses. Radiuses are off by few thousands, but the squareness is dead nuts on. As lot of you know I'm working with Young's on a "baby version" of an ET, 12-16K trailers, typical pin weight of 3,000 lbs. Utilizing four 1,500 lbs. airbags (the one in my right hand). Just in case, since people inevitably will try to "push it", the hitch will also be pre-drilled for the 2,000 lbs. airbags as an option to go to larger rigs with 4K pin weight. I have the hitch design conceptualized but my primary focus is to have the new head design solid, since this is the MOST critical part of any hitch design. Some of you might be familiar with recent fiascos when this philosophy was not followed. Here's the concept. If the head design is critical, it's the swivel in the head that is MOST critical. The swivel is the part that sees all the forces first and redirects these in various ways into the hitch. Youngs already prototyped one head for me but I was still tweaking the swivel design. We've had a cursory FEA look at this, we might be able to loose the gusset "thingies", but I like overkill in my designs. Next step is to build these things, see what kind of welding jigs we might need, welding sequence, etc. That's why I had Darryn send me 5 prototypes. You don't learn much looking and building just one on a product that needs to be mass produced. Edited April 15 by phoenix2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Burkett Posted April 16 Report Share Posted April 16 Henry, how will they attach in the bed of a dually, our F450 might like one of those and we have the Ford in bed hitch system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted April 16 Author Report Share Posted April 16 (edited) 21 hours ago, Larry Burkett said: Henry, how will they attach in the bed of a dually, our F450 might like one of those and we have the Ford in bed hitch system. Larry, the "Baby ET" is specifically designed to take care of the 350, 450, 550 and 3500, 4500 and 5500 market. The "Super Pickups". The Big Three have been evolving the hitch puck mounting systems in their beds for several years and it's been a real pain in the ass of ego BS. Dodge was first with the biggest puck span and also a dealer system for actually upgrading their older Dodge pickups to their puck system (they had upgrade kit with detailed instruction, the bed had to come off). Not sure if they still do it or just put it into new trucks only. Ford was next and obviously they wouldn't copy Dodge, they came up with their own puck mounting system with a smaller footprint. Chevy was the last to the party and guess what theirs was even smaller than Ford (same in length, narrower in width), they tried it for couple of years and it was as warmly accepted as a skunk at the party and I heard it's now the same as Ford's, but I can't find any "official info" to confirm it. Youngs (popuphitch.com) makes all kinds of adapters, but didn't have these so I offered to design them. For Dodge And for Ford and Chevy, since the length was the same, you just re-bolt the latches into the narrower width. You can see those in their website https://popuphitch.com/our-products/5th-wheel-baseplates/ They haven't made any of the double ones, they want to see if Chevy indeed comes to their senses. One interesting tidbit, at least they all settled on one latch design (Dodge's). Don't re-invent and screw around with something that works. My initial reaction was, "why don't I design the Baby to plop into one of these and the mounting is done"? Darryn thought that it was too complex (read costly) approach and I agree with him, I can do it with heavy duty tubing welded directly to the hitch bottom. So there will be two versions initially for Dodge and Ford, who knows about Chevy. The mounting will look similar to this. The air supply is another issue. I'm exploring small compressor addons, but that is not necessary if there are air accessories on the truck, like air suspension, helper air bags on the springs, etc. Do you have anything like this on your truck? Edited April 16 by phoenix2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Burkett Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 My F450 is a 2019 and has the stock Ford puck system. We haven't added ant air systems to the truck as we pull a 2019 Mobile Suites and it doesn't squat it. I can get a compressor added if needed to operate the air bags. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Teacher Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 I love looking at all of your pictures and explanations. I am a Biology teacher and this screams scientific method. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted April 17 Author Report Share Posted April 17 55 minutes ago, Vegas Teacher said: I love looking at all of your pictures and explanations. I am a Biology teacher and this screams scientific method. Just a deep dive into RV.NET: Photo Upload & Post which Jack posted in the guide, once familiar with it one becomes a banshee with the photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spindrift Posted April 17 Report Share Posted April 17 Don't forget, many of those Super pickups are cab and chassis configurations. Flexibility required when doing without pucks and such. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vegas Teacher Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 18 hours ago, phoenix2013 said: Just a deep dive into RV.NET: Photo Upload & Post which Jack posted in the guide, once familiar with it one becomes a banshee with the photos. I need to get better at posting pictures, thanks for the information. Later, Cory O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix2013 Posted April 19 Author Report Share Posted April 19 9 hours ago, Vegas Teacher said: I need to get better at posting pictures, thanks for the information. Later, Cory O Cory, I've done a guide how to do this on this forum before. I'm going to re-post the updated version of the routine in a new thread, watch for it. It's a little complicated on this forum, this is where the Facebook has a plus. They probably have a similar sequence except you don't see it, it's buried in their algorithm. So posting visual crap in Facebook is much simpler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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