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Limited Resource Thinkers Generally, folks measure their success and security in life by "things." Some folks never ever can have enough things and are horrified when another makes the decision that "things" are like a millstone around your neck. You have to pay for them, then find a place for them, then dust them, then fix them when they break, and store them when you realize you aren't using them, and even getting rid of them is a pain whether yard sale, arranging for a goodwill pick up or just hauling them to the dump, involves re-inventorying, moving around and finding a new order to keep the "things" you are saving in. Many folks have beautiful furnishings yet buy all new furnishings every year or two just to validate their feelings of having things! An illustration. I used to build and restore custom super stock VWs and Porsches. I restored a Porsche 911 Targa that I found for 900.00 rusting away and fortunately discovered it only needed some new vacuum lines and an Air Box to run perfectly along with some minor seals etc. So just couple of thousand later I had what looked and ran like a brand new 911. I enjoyed it for two years and then decided to sell it when I got orders to Germany. My friends and a few family members on finding out I was selling it were horrified Saying the same thing-"How can you sell it!!!???" I knew what they were really saying, that if they had a 911 they'd never be able to part with it because of the prestige, pride, image or whatever. As if a hunk of metal with an engine would make them "different." That's conditioning. Knowing what they were really saying (and with a few it was really disappointing to hear that they were that way) I didn't lecture or try to explain. I'd answer with an innocent look-"How can I sell it? Well, I put an ad in the paper and people call me and one of them buys it." (With a straight face) To which every one replied that's not what I mean-I mean you have a Porsche 911! How can you part with it? Then my answer was "If I want another one, I can just buy it, they have after all made millions of them haven't they." People don't realize what they really tell you about themselves a lot of the time with comments like that. You see, they were "limited resource thinkers." They truly feel that when someone gets something, it has been removed from their possibilities. Like a limited pie with four pieces, they view the world as limited and when you get a piece of the pie that is one less available to them. I'm sure you have sold a car or something at one time or another and had a friend say something after the fact like "You sold it for that?? I would have given you that or more!!" I could never resist, you see they were viewing your good sale price as something they didn't get (limited resource thinking) and so had to try to rain on your parade some with a silly statement like that. They also do the same when you buy something and instead of being as thrilled as you are, have to say Oh man you could have gotten it cheaper at . . .or I could have gotten it for you cheaper from . . .? I can't resist that scenario! LOL! My response (on a sale) Oh really? Well I told the guy that until he pays the cash, which he said he'd do next week, that it is still on the market and will go to the first person who comes up with the cash! I'm so glad we talked! So when do you want to pick it up?" I almost always can keep a straight face while they start to fumble for a way out of their faux pas. Not once, of hundreds of times I have pulled that on a limited resource thinker, have they been sincere. Every time the car or whatever was actually sold, but those people want everybody to be as unhappy as they are. And speak volumes of their view of the world. The decision to RV indeed is not for everyone. But for some it is an acquisition of freedom that they lack the courage or desire to make. It invalidates their clinging to "things" or people, neither of which is forever. In life you can't freeze it and stay in a good time or place-there is no neutral, you are either in forward or reverse. Put another way the only difference between a grave and a rut are the dimensions. Some view RVing as a freedom that has somehow been removed from their realm of possibilities. I just tell them that there is no difference if we don't see each other for few months at a time from across town, or for the same time from experiencing this great land and its people in person. We will still be alive and coming for a visit, just like before, and boy will we have stories. See you can always get another house or apartment if you choose to, they have after all made millions of them haven't they. All it takes is a few shiny pieces of gold and silver or their equivalent and that's easy. The horizons, camaraderie, wonder, and adventure of the next real experience cannot be compared to sitting at home watching the Discovery channel. But if that's what floats their boat, it's OK with me. I won't try to impose my choices on them, and expect them to not try to impose theirs on me. On the road we get almost 100% genuine kudos from the folks we meet saying they wish they could be doing the same thing. They have the same dream for someday, we are living the dream now! Safe travels (Just don't tell the asylum you saw me here) More here:http://home.earthlink.net/~derekgore/rvroadiervfulltimingwhatisitreallylike/id65.html

Thanks Jay! Zulu, I was raised on welfare when my mother at my age six, became divorced in 1958. It wasn't until I was in my 30s that I realized how dire her situation was with three boys age 7, 5 and 1y/o in those times of condemning divorcees, but worse my dad never paid child support and never contacted us. So Zulu, having worked from age 12 to buy my first guitar, and then a career as a chef that ended abruptly with my draft number 7, drawn in 1970 for everyone who turned 19 in 1971. They drafted to number 175 or so in 1970. So there was nothing for a 1A type like me not in school and working to do but run! I became a draft dodger! I dodged it by joining the USAF before the Army could send me a "Greetings" letter and send me directly to Vietnam, do not pass go, do not collect $200. There was a warrant out for my arrest for draft evasion, as the letter came five days after I enlisted. They found me in Basic and my squadron commander, a captain, called me into his office to explain it and that the First Shirt took care of it. I was hardly a "have." However, we live way beneath our means and live on our SS and my retirement check from the USAF. The bank and investment accounts still grew faster than we spent it. That because we pay cash for our houses and vehicles and still get 2 year old nice cars and trucks. We keep a diesel truck, and two cars so we can haul and not be grounded if one goes in the shop. No credit card debt either. And our investments have been very lucrative. I am making some major moves with our investments in preparation for any drastic changes in Tesla and the end of the Bull market. The changes taking effect for this year and deducted next year gives us the first $77,000 and change in capital gains tax free! That will help some with our 2018 filing. I went back to work at age 52 -58 for fun as I had just had this startup company build my 24'X30'X10' workshop with slab. He wanted a website in 2004 and I wanted more concrete on my roll up door apron. I had his website up that day, he had my extra concrete poured the next day. I did not need to go back to work but he needed IT and sales management help. My house and property were and are paid for. As are the cars and trucks and tractors and zero turn mowers etc. No debt. But we rarely go out to eat as my SH can out-cook most restaurants. So all my remuneration funded her last house purchase and flipped which sold just a week before the housing bubble burst. Lynn is a master interior trim carpenter and we can hire the rest again if we choose. I can handle just about everything else but from now on will hire out the We are homebodies with a home theater now and are about to embark on our first real RV trip of more than a weekend since we came off the road in 2003 after seven years of full timing, to stay here to take care of aging parents. We did live in our 28.5 foot Sunnybrook fiver while our new house dirt pad and concrete was being poured and everything set up for gas not electric heat, cooking, water heating before it was ready to be moved into in 2015. Because of a few good investments made at age 58 and a lifetime of enjoying the challenge of being frugal has as my wife said, has put us in a position to spend some on us. She asked what good is it being the richest corpses in the cemetery? Well we aren't rich by any stretch by today's standards. Our kids don't need our money but will get some anyway. I owned an English language Satellite receiver and dish sales and installation company in Germany for English programming and sold the bootleg legal cards there. I had about $150,000 cash at one point and had a family meeting and asked them if they wanted me to spend it on touring and skiing and diving with them or to invest it for a much larger inheritance when we passed and all unanimously agreed that we may never get back there to do all that and we haven't. But we had a heckuva time for seven years there on my 30 days of leave a year and many three and four day weekends. We have memories and videos of the temples of Luxor/Karnak, then crossing the Nile to the Valley of the kings visiting Tut who is actually in his tomb under plexiglass with climate control, but nothing else in it. Our boys were both football and soccer players and I filmed the games. One of thousands of stories and trips our family shared in Europe 1990-1997. We also were mobile DJ's professionally from 1983-2003 most weekends. Derek's Gold n' Oldies show was getting paid $500-$1000 a night for drinking beer and playing my music louder than I could at home. I hired a young Airman or SSgt and paid them $75 a night to be onstage and carry my gear out to the Mercedes then be on stage pulling requests and being part of the show, but mainly drinking no alcohol, and being the designated driver on the way home at 2-4 AM and carry the gear back in. We had a blast! So now we are planning some trips to Australia, Japan and/or China. We'd like to dive The Great Barrier Reef before it is all dead from global warming. We retired at my age 45 to full time RV for seven years when most military were working a second career, many in civil service. I would have just now been getting free to RV! I can't hike down into the Grand Canyon and get back up today like I could at 45. So we take advantage of any income we can just to keep it relaxed and enjoy our senior years as much as our working years. We've achieved and exceeded our life goals. Now we set some new ones, as we change course yet once again. We have lived many more lifetimes than most, in the only one we have. I don't compare myself to others. There is always someone who has done more, with less. Seriously, that is why comparing is silly. It is an obsession for limited resource thinkers. A very good example of that is on my website, I'll post it here after this post Folks, it isn't about the money, it is about goals met, and being happy with our lot. No matter if we have big bucks or not. If one is not happy with their lot don't go taking it out on folks who are. It won't work. Instead make different decisions and act on them to meet your own.

Thanks Jim, Hey! Great news! I called my tax preparer and found that the new tax law makes the first $77k of long term capital gains is tax free! That'll save some capital gains tax. Taxes not my forte.

Am I still in? No, with going private being spoken about where my money would not be liquid, limited to only being able to buy more or sell once or twice a year, I sold at $350.00. I started with $25k at $17-$22.5, then took my capital back in full plus a $5k profit after Tesla passed $100. I kept most of my shares and was playing with house money. Then bought a block at $135 on a dip to $121 but it rose so fast my buy was $135 and my son's buy was at $145 which he was very happy with. We're moving soon, delayed by finding Colorado Springs' water contaminated from Air Force Firefighting runway and aircraft foam leaching into groundwater. So we're starting from scratch and looking elsewhere. We have the inheritance monies and monies from selling the inherited property liquid, now added to by our stock proceeds. Then we will be selling this paid for 5 acres and new house with workshop on slab, portable building finished out, and whole house natural gas 25kw water cooled four cylinder genset. I am still a Tesla and Musk fan and we are putting in a reservation for a Model 3, and maybe pick up a used Model S P100 later. So even though I think it likely I passed up a possible $420 buyout, I decided to take my profits now so we would not have any more delays. So for those who've followed this journey since 2010, amazed I held through all the fun, We are out for now. We are keeping our USAA funds, and now are prepared for a new investment in property, and perhaps back into Tesla later if it stays public. But LBO is likely with Crown Prince Mohamed bin Salman interested and already looking to get Saudi out of oil dependence. Buying into Tesla falls right in line with Vision 2030: https://www.bing.com/search?q=saudi+2030+vision&pc=MOZI&form=MOZLBR We are very happy with our Tesla investment, and we aren't done with them. But once we are moved we can assess the market and diversify a bit more than just one stock. Happy investing! I think the bull will run a while longer. Glad we didn't get out when the bears with 2008 PTSD predicted a crash every six months. Boy did some folks miss a great market run.

Jay, I've really never worked a day in my whole life. I did go back to work from age 52-58 because it was fun to do, and something I'd not done before. Being Military I never had to worry about unemployment or a gap in pay when changing job/profession. We just cross trained and never missed a beat. Now I was in the Air Force and my family went with me everywhere. We all lived in Colorado Springs when I taught at the AF Academy for three years. Then we lived in Germany for seven years right where France, Belgium, Germany, Luxembourg, and Holland were all close by. We went skiing as family in the Austrian, Swiss, French and Italian Alps, went touring as a family. We went to Egypt for our open water certification diving the Red Sea, then went to Luxor, crossed the Nile by boat, and went to the valley of the Kings, and even visited Tut in his tomb. Our kids met people in places many here will never visit, let alone immerse into the language and cultures. Our parents were military so we were all over as kids too. My brother in law was born in France. We went to Colombia SA for two years and went to kindergarten and first grade in Spanish. I was a senior leader or white collar general manager most of my working life. My kids school field trips were to Rome, The French Riviera, and others. We loved Amsterdam and a little area a half hour from Amsterdam called Amersfoort. Tongren Belgium for Antiques, all part of the job. My professional Lives were medic and scrub tech, Then medical lab technologist, then the last twenty years teaching shooting the handguns, rifles, machine guns, sniper rifle, shoulder fired rockets, and grenade launchers. I got to play with guns daily, teach the other base people to shoot them effectively, and fix the guns when they broke. And the system didn't allow us to go to war because we had to equip and check function on all their weapons when the rest of the base deployed, and inspect them on return. We loved every place we lived here and on other continents. We went to festivals, ate haute cuisine in France an hour from home. Rome was 18 hours driving and Switzerland six hours drive time. Lynn got he Svavorski crystal and Hummels at their respective factories and the artists signed them. It was and still is a blast! I'm busy all day every day. A member here said something I'll never forget In answer to a tirade about her military retirement. She said we are all living with the results of decisions we made 20-40 years ago. Being retired just means I don't have to spend most of the day working with others in service to others. Now I am re-tired and can do that as much as I please. Retirement isn't about money, it will however mimic the amount of satisfaction you sowed working.

Yes, Zulu, I have Tricare for life, which includes all our Medical, prescriptions with no co pay if filled on base. Tricare is now my supplement for Medicare. And yes we have a military pension, SS X2, a civilian retirement, and our investments. We're good.

Hey guys just saw this and thought I'd chime in and say that we did retire from the military and moved right into our new to us and bought cash HitchHiker fiver towed by our 1992 1 ton Dodge Ram Cummins diesel dual rear wheel truck. Age 45. That was 1997 and our retirement, after 27 years active duty, covered our travels for seven years and we decided to come off the road in 2003 to care for our two remaining parents. We are just over the arrangements, and succession, and are preparing to move to cooler climes. Now we are 66 and 64 respectively, and making a complete change of circumstances again. We both decided to take SS at 62, and are doing fine. We've been luckier than many in the decisions we've made over the years. None of us knows what we are going to get in lifespan. Health and wealth are somewhat under our control. Aside from ego issues it's not about money. No one regrets what they've done, only what they did not do, but always wanted to do. Don't tell yourself why you can't, but instead how you can!

Welcome to the ranks Hugh!

Thanks Rob! Great info as always.

If you like it then go to this link: https://nordvpn.com/coupon/ But you have to pay for the full term up front to get the price either way. 3 years $99 up front and $99 every three years.

VT Chris, YW! Sorry been offline fixing a dead diesel and getting a new tiny Scamp set up for a city search for where we want to move to (Stix n Brix.) VPNs are good for privacy for sure, but regardless of paid for or free they have a performance hit because of adding the extra jumps and routing. But I am looking into VPNs too now because of the recent repeal of Net neutrality. Our Internet providers nopw have legal permission to look at all our traffic and sell any they want to third parties without even asking permission. They need regulation as we will soon see. The regulation will not come until the Internet providers start blackmailing some big politicians with their own emails they sold to a political party. VPNs have become a necessity. I was reading this earlier in the year: https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0%2C2817%2C2403388%2C00.asp?path=zpc-15478-mpc-100a1a&creative=78065390289150&device=c&dps=1&keyword=78065489991047&source=s http://top5-vpn.com/?utm_source=B I am at a loss. https://vpn-services.bestreviews.net/advantages-and-disadvantages-of-openvpn/ I would like the privacy of an open VPN, but I do not want a performance hit from it. And they all have some slowdown even if it is claimed imperceptible. On some of those sites above after a few seconds I was offered two year deals on OVPN of $2.75 a month so if one is sure and has tried a particular vendor's VPN, and think it's the best then look for one of the deals at review websites. I do appreciate the lead on it.

So how are all my fellow investors doing today? my Tesla stock is being volatile as always and I'm still long. If anyone was looking for a good buy price you may gave missed it. I has been swinging from >$360 down to $290, back to $360, and now down to $310 and on the way back up. The shorts are due a massive short squeeze soon. Lots to be made either way. It is all about timing, and I prefer just staying long than rolling the dice trying to time the market. Long always wins except in very rare circumstances. Whether bear or bull, I wish all my fellow investors "still in" the best of luck.

You can't uninstall Windows Defender, only disable it when you install another real time scanner. Defender is there. Just uninstall Mcafee and it will take over. Then get Malwarebytes premium instead of paying for Mcafee. Together they are as good as security gets. You'll do fine, it becomes clearer when you do it.

Are you asking for the removal tool for Bitdefender? Ratings and reviews? Google is your friend: https://www.antivirusbest10.com/best-anti-malware-software

Rod, For Windows 10 here is the current best protection for 2018. Remember that this not only my opinion and that of others, but what I use. Number one rule!! Never run any A/V program with another with one exception. Do not install any new A/V until you use uninstall any A/V installed using that company's own uninstaller as A/V programs have hooks deep in the system that allow them to work before/after Windows boots. The Windows uninstall does not remove them and the leftovers can aid malware because of conflicts with calls for files at boot that are no longer on your machine. There are lots of fake uninstaller websites out there so if you can't tell which one is the right one just post here and I'll give the link to the genuine and safe uninstaller. Run Windows Defender and allow it to update whenever it is opened or asks. Buy Malwarebytes Premium and run it alongside Defender. That is the only exception. Never try to run any other two. That includes Windows Defender and any other. Malwarebytes premium has saved me several times recently from the latest scourge, cryptojacking, the bot nets that jump on your computer and use your electricity and CPU/Ram running your system to 100% for bitcoin mining. Malwarebytes jumps in and says it did not allow that website because it is malicious. You could override that but to be blunt, that is just plain stupid. Even an old dependable website may have been taken over to drop malware as a driveby. I have Malwarebytes premium for that reason, the premium version active scans all the time. The free version is great after you are infected in detecting and cleaning most of the time. I say most because the malware today will turn off your A/V programs but make them appear to be running. I bought lifetime Premium licenses for five machines years ago when XP was the then current Windows version. Now they sell annual licenses and no longer any lifetime licenses. They have upgraded it free numerous times and daily updates makes it the cleanest. fastest, and lightest on resource use. Scans don't even slow my systems down I just work while they run. There some folks here that took my advice and bought their lifetime licenses. Even better, when I get a new computer I just remove Premium from the computer I am going to replace and then add the license info to the new one after I install the current free version with the premium trial. It will not run on another before removing from the current. MY license codes and ID numbers are on the CDs I bought and saved to a master file on all computers and one USB Flash/thumb drive kept in the car. Do not run Malwarebytes free or premium with any A/V except Defender. I do use several tools from other vendors that are free like Norton eraser. So even if you never used it on a new computer, get the uninstaller from that vendor and remove it before you install Malwarebytes. Here are the uninstaller links for the major vendors: Norton: https://support.norton.com/sp/en/us/home/current/solutions/v60392881_EndUserProfile_en_us AVG: Follow the instructions in this article http://support.avg.com/SupportArticleView?urlname=How-to-uninstall-AVG to run the AVG remover tool and download this https://share.avg.com/steam/PSP/AVG2017/AVG_Clear.exe to run AVG Clear too. This tool will help with removing antivirus component of AVG 2017 and its traces. Open tool User Account control - click "Yes" Windows safe mode - click "No" (we cannot recommend use the tool in safe mode, because there is a problem with compability) Choose installed version (AVG Free, AVG Internet Security) Click "Uninstall" Click "Restart computer". Kaspersky removal tool: http://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/kaspersky_products_remover.html Major Geeks is a completely trustworthy download site that does not add Possibley Unwanted Programs or spyware like other ones do. Here are all the uninstallers for A/V and others, look yours up al[alphabetically here: http://www.majorgeeks.com/mg/sortname/uninstallers.html If at any time you have just used the Windows uninstaller to remove any A/V get the tool and run it again for any A/V you uninstalled without their removal tool. Questions?

Jim, I've seen them coming in for a landing over on Kelly AFB when I was on my last year before retirement tour at Lackland AFB in San Antonio. They do look like they are stopped and about to fall out of the sky.

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Excerpt: "A recent ruling by the U.S. Court of Appeals for Veterans Claims may have a major effect on the outcome of many veteran's disability claims. On April 3, the court ruled that pain, without any underlying disability, may be a valid reason for awarding VA compensation benefits. Injury Occurred While On Active Duty The ruling is a result of Gulf war veteran Melba Saunders, who served in the Army from Nov. 1987 until Oct. 1994. Saunders suffered a knee injury while in service and was treated by military doctors and diagnosed with "patellofemoral pain syndrome, " according to Web-MD that is also known as "knee-pain." She filed a disability claim after leaving the military and was denied, the story is long, but the VA eventually denied her claim, saying "patellofemoral pain syndrome...is productive of no ascertainable impairment." In English that means that her injury, while it was painful, was not an impairment, and therefore not a disability. All this means is that the VA said she had no real disability, there was no injury that qualified her for compensation. To the VA pain, in and of itself, was not a disability. Court Says A Disability Doesn't Necessarily Have To Be A Diagnosed Injury The law (38 U.S.C. § 1110) says that VA shall award compensation benefits "for disability resulting from personal injury suffered...in line of duty." The law doesn't tell the VA to award compensation for an injury, but for the disability caused by the injury. That is why if you have a greater disability, you normally have a lesser potential earning ability, or lesser enjoyment of life than someone with a lesser disability; therefore you are awarded a greater compensation for that disability, to make up for your reduced earning ability, etc." Much more here with related hot links: https://www.military.com/militaryadvantage/2018/04/06/court-rules-chronic-pain-va-disability.html Safe travels!

I've used his Ultimate hitch and they are great. However, after this I believe I will stick with the Scamp type by Reese, like I have now with my Scamp 19' fiver I am about to sell before moving to Colorado. It fits on the Reese rails I have for my regular Reese 5th wheel hitch. Scamp and/or Reese can compete with their existing products. I was surprised not to see these advertised on the Reese website. Here is the Scamp fiver part of the hitch system: I'll be looking for the outcome too.

Interesting note. That video of the model 3 race above was altered. Originally it showed the loser after the first race talking trash and making whiny excuses about being cheated by giving the Tesla a better lane to run in. The Tesla driver tries to walk off but the loser insisted and bet another $600 and got shut down. Bear in mind he was racing a stock Model 3 as delivered. The Model S and 3 with Ludicrous mode equipment can cut those times in half. The real apples to apples race would be any modified for speed Internal combustion engine muscle car against a factory race/performance equipped Tesla with full Ludicrous Mode systems.

We have bought two 10" Queen size and one 12" King size gel/memory foam mattresses from Amazon and been thrilled with all of them. We have bought a new 8" Queen short gel/memory foam for our last RV and it was great, despite being only eight inches thick. We have found that toppers sleep too hot unless they are gel foam. Here is one like the one we bought: https://www.amazon.com/LUCID-Inch-Memory-Foam-Mattress/dp/B0088YUYF6/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1520979744&sr=8-3&keywords=gel+foam+RV+queen+short+mattress&dpID=515XGsr2wVL&preST=_SY300_QL70_&dpSrc=srch I have to tell you that the gel infused top layer makes a big difference. We have slept on Gel memory foam for ten years now and cannot go back to springs n things mattresses. I have lumbar and cervical back issues and before my surgeries in 2016, I got instant relief from the morning wake up lumbar ache when we switched to our first gel three layer memory foam mattress. Then I had surgery for both and still find my sleep undisturbed by the old pains from a mattress without gel foam construction. So far we have not worn one out. We sold one with a queen bed, to sell it to a friend, then got a new frame and mattress. Then we decided we wanted a king size. Also don't let price fool you. Paying more doesn't give better quality. I would not have a hybrid, air filled, or other "wonder Mattress!" as seen on TV. Just three layers of foam, a thick bottom support layer. the middle memory foam layer, and the top 2-4 inch blue Gel cooling foam layer. I doubt you'd have any issues with the one linked above. It has a four star average rating over 4,738 customer reviews We were shocked that the RV 8 inch thick three layer gel foam mattress in the RV was as comfortable as our ten and 12 inch thick Gel/memory/support three layer foam mattresses.

Joel, I had issues a few minutes ago with a Word file and just got it transferred over into a post here on this thread. Let me go see if it finally took! I thought Vizio was the cheap no good set but boy they changed my mind on Black Friday 2015. Once I had the hardware I had to get the right 2.1 cables and box.

Good answers from Joel. Y'all despite some wanting to do a smart TV it is usually not nearly as effective as any modern streaming device, my three second generation 4k Amazon fire full size, or a Roku can be replaced on the cheap out of warranty if they fail instead of the whole TV. Our TV has all kinds of streaming apps etc, but it is so slow I can't stand it.. The Fire TV model before the hanging one they sell now was considered by many the best for both WiFi connecting and 4k: https://www.engadget.com/2015/10/16/amazon-fire-tv-4k/

Biker, good response. You got me to thinking how fast are the production cars today. Some of the cars in the link below are not manufactured anymore, or were custom in all but the fact they were ordered retail. Classic Muscle car runs. First number is 0-60, second number is quarter mile time. 1969 Plymouth 'Cuda 440 5.6 14.0 1970 Plymouth AAR 'Cuda 5.8 14.3 1969 Plymouth GTX 440 5.8 13.7 1969 Plymouth Road Runner 426 Hemi 5.1 13.5 (C&D Jan '69) 1973 Pontiac Firebird 455ci 7.3 15.0 1974 Pontiac Firebird 400ci 10.4 17.1 1975 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 400 9.8 16.8 1975 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 455 7.8 16.1 1977 Pontiac Firebird Formula 12.0 17.9 1978 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am 6.5 15.3 2009 Pontiac G8 GXP 4.9 13.1 http://www.roadandtrack.com/tests/co...pontiac-g8-gxp 2008 Pontiac G8 GT 5.0 13.5 (R&T Online) 2009 Pontiac G8 GT 5.1 13.7 (MT, Jan 09) 2005 Pontiac GTO V8 w/6 Spd 4.8 13.3 (C&D Jan '05) This may be the fastest of the 'muscle car' era. 1970 Buick GS Stage I 455ci. 5.5 13.3 (MT Jan '70) 1972 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 7.5 15.5 1974 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 8.1 15.4 1975 Chevrolet Camaro 350 11.0 17.4 1975 Chevrolet Camaro RS 8.5 16.8 1970 Chevrolet Chevelle SS 454 LS6 5.4 13.8 (C&D Feb '70) Only 2 Vettes were in the 13's. 1967 Chevrolet Corvette L71 5.6 13.8 1968 Chevrolet Corvette 327 7.7 15.6 1968 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.3 14.1 1969 Chevrolet Corvette 427ci 435hp 5.3 13.8 (C&D Sep '69) 1970 Chevrolet Corvette 427 6.1 14.3 1973 Corvette 350ci L82 6.7 15.1 (C&D Dec '72) 1973 Corvette 454ci 6.4 14.6 (C&D Dec '72) 1975 Chevrolet Corvette 350 9.6 16.4 1976 Chevrolet Corvette 350 8.1 16.5 1977 Chevrolet Corvette 8.8 16.6 1979 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.3 15.7 1980 Chevrolet Corvette L82 7.4 15.4 1968 Dodge Charger, Auto, 4.8, 13.5 (C&D Nov '67) 1967 Ford Mustang (390ci V8 w/4spd) 7.4 15.6 1971 Ford Mustang (351ci V8 w/4spd) 5.8 13.8 1973 Ford Mustang 351ci 8.9 16.3 1974 Ford Mustang II 4sp 14.2 18.8 1974 Ford Mustang II Auto 15.6 19.4 1975 Ford Mustang II (302ci V8 w/3spd) 9.6 17.5 1977 Ford Mustang II 302ci 11.3 17.7 1970 Ford Mustang Boss 302 6.5 14.9 (C&D Feb '70) 1971 Ford Mustang Boss 351 5.8 13.8 1969 Oldsmobile 4-4-2 HO 455ci 5.9 13.9 If you want to look up 0-60 and 1/4 mile times for all cars they are categorized nicely but not really up to date. They sound a bit like the EPA estimated mileage on new car stickers: true if you never stop, never accelerate and travel on level ground in a straight line under 30 mph with no A/C running.https://www.zeroto60times.com/ So the next time some old geezer my age talks sh*t about how fast the muscle car era cars were, just email him a link to this page.

Here's the first Tesla Model 3 Race video I have seen. Remember the Model 3 is the economy car of the Tesla line not the ludicrous mode monster racing beast the others can be. They are slowly dribbling out of the factory as Musk deals with the bottlenecks and ramps it up fast. So these street racers with hot performance muscle cars they had modified to the max, spending more than the price of the Model 3, thought they had a sucker since his Tesla was the economy "cheap" version. Watch the video: One guy was a rotten loser and insisted on betting another $600 claiming he was set up in a worse lane. The Model 3 owner didn't want to take any more of his money but there were enough witnesses so he raced him and swapped lanes, and smoked him again. He was not loud the second time.