Freedomtailer Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Any info on a 5th wheel brand with well insulated slide-outs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Drv but debatable, New Horizons, SpaceCraft. Older units not made now, Teton, Nuwa, Continental Coach, few others. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedomtailer Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 I cannot afford a custom made 5th wheel. i need information about the current brand 5th wheels that are mid to luxury level. we ar close to retirement and want to spend winters in warm places in the south. We need a well insulated 5th wheel. Thx. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongWayHome Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Agree 100% with Glenn. If you do not want to go the used or custom route, perhaps you can tell us more about your 5th wheel size, use (Winter in ?, etc.) and price range. Going full-time or parttime? There are 30 plus manufacturer and hundreds of models. In the majority of new production RV's attention to insulation, insulation movement prevention and air infiltration in not high on their priority list. They mostly target the weekend Summer traveler. Also consider the windows and doors in your decision, as they are usually the heat loss and air infiltration weak links. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavymetal Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Freedomtailer said: I cannot afford a custom made 5th wheel. i need information about the current brand 5th wheels that are mid to luxury level. we ar close to retirement and want to spend winters in warm places in the south. We need a well insulated 5th wheel. Thx. Looking at rvt.com I see three really nice Newmar Mountain and Country Aire's for a good price and four Carriage Royal Internationals. The Newmar are nice hung wall units all aluminum super structure they are super insulated and quiet. We have two of them and even in central Texas one 15k BTU ac keeps it cool. 2016 Western Star 5700xe (Pathfinder) DD15 555hp w/12 speed automatic 3:05 diffs 2005 Newmar Mountain Aire 38RLPK 2 Great Danes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Freedomtailer said: I cannot afford a custom made 5th wheel. i need information about the current brand 5th wheels that are mid to luxury level. we ar close to retirement and want to spend winters in warm places in the south. We need a well insulated 5th wheel. Thx. That is why I listed some used units. What is good is closed cell foam insulation such as the Blue Dow. Open cell, which the majority of Echart units use, let's lots of cold/heat through it. Drv uses wool house type insulation 3" thick. But is is compacted which hurts it value. Had been know to settle. Some will swear they are great. Ours wasn't. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedomtailer Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 We are interested in a new model not used. My question is of the current brands available on the market, which are best to winter in? We need about 36-37 foot Rear Living unit to live in during about 3 months of the year with lotsa counter space and excellent refrigerator! ( not a residential refrigerator) Hoping to go south for winter! We fall camp on weekends due to we are both still employed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 You probably should change your wants then. Aside from DRV, none that I know of has good slides insulation. Most of the the high end units that spent more money on slideouts are out of business due to higher costs. I would in your case concentrate on tightly sealed and dual pane windows. Don't under estimate the value of good windows. They cover a large portion of your unit. A standard window is hot in summer and cold in winter. This is the very reason we own an older Teton. We wanted new but we're very put off by what was advailable. Also at this stage in life, we didn't want a 200k custom build either. Most of us chase the milder temps. I don't but because of work. Have to go where jobs are. Sad but what you want don't sell campers in today's market. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongWayHome Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Have a look at Grand Design - perhaps their Solitude 360RL. Add the Weather-Tek package. It's 39' but they have other similar models. Some of the others below might be longer too, but it was what we short-listed for going full-time. Others to consider:- Rear Living short-list.xlsx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedomtailer Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 To TheLongWayHome.... Thank you, Thank you for that list!!! We will begin our search with those! We needed a place to begin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 One thing you might also be aware of....most of the manufacturers do not put insulation in the slide floors. Just FYI. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Even DRV. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Schneider Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Arctic Fox uses R-15 reflective foil insulation and R-18 fiberglass insulation in their main roofs, R-15 reflective foil in the slideout ceiling (likely in the floor, too), The slide side walls are made the same as the main sidewalls. A slide topper awning will keep a lot of the sun heating off of the slideout roof. Don't forget the thermal pane windows, standard on the Arctic Fox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedomtailer Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedomtailer Posted August 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 Where do I find information about the insulation R factors on the 5th wheel. The sales person seems to just tell me what they think I want to hear! who can tell me the true specs of insulation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Lou Schneider said: Arctic Fox uses R-15 reflective foil insulation and R-18 fiberglass insulation in their main roofs, R-15 reflective foil in the slideout ceiling (likely in the floor, too), The slide side walls are made the same as the main sidewalls. A slide topper awning will keep a lot of the sun heating off of the slideout roof. Don't forget the thermal pane windows, standard on the Arctic Fox. Lou. Artic Fox's brochure says R-7 in the floors and makes no mention what-so-ever of any insulation in the slide rooms, only the main roof, walls and floor. MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLongWayHome Posted August 12, 2017 Report Share Posted August 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Freedomtailer said: Where do I find information about the insulation R factors on the 5th wheel. The sales person seems to just tell me what they think I want to hear! who can tell me the true specs of insulation? The Manufacturer's websites are a good start - ask about walls, slide walls, floors, slide floors, Basement, Ceiling, end cap, under the pin box, .... Type and number of slide seals, Window types (single, double pane). Ask where are the ducting relative to the insulation. You may have to call the manufacturer. RV Dealer have too many vendor types and models to really know the details. Once you get it narrowed down to a couple of manufacturers, see if you can get a factory tour - ask lots of questions. If you get to a few manufacturers and models, this forum will have someone with direct experience in that model. All search for Owner Groups for the manufacturers on your short list. They may also have a forum site. It they have an annual rally, you can go see and talk with lots of real owners in one location. Generally well worth the effort. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mptjelgin Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 Be aware that many manufacturers play games with the R values they claim. For instance, many will attribute rather high values to a foil faced bubble wrap. Some will claim as high as R-15, when in reality the correct value is closer to R-1. See the referenced article for some explanation of these creative claims: http://www.energyvanguard.com/blog/29497/The-Foil-Faced-Bubble-Wrap-Sham-Understanding-Radiant-Barriers The best quality closed cell foam runs about R-5 per inch of thickness, while fiberglass batts provide R-3 to maybe R-3.8 per inch. So does it seem reasonable that a 1/4" thick foil faced bubble wrap provides R-15? I think that Artic Fox makes a nice trailer and we plan to look at them if we decide to replace our NuWa down the road. But the fact that they are claiming R-15 for a thin later of foil faced bubble warp is bothersome to me. Rather than accepting a manufacturers stated R-value, I would concentrate on the thickness of the wall/floor/roof structure and the type and thickness of insulation that they install. Mark & Teri 2021 Grand Designs Imagine 2500RL, 2019 Ford F-350 Mark & Teri's Travels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Schneider Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 I can only comment on my 1999 Arctic Fox 26x trailer. It had fiberglass insulation in the ceiling and floor of the slideout as well as the sidewall. It's slideout stayed considerably cooler than the 2004 Sunnybrook I have now. As far as new units, all I could find was the brochures for the Silver Fox 5th wheels, which states it has R13 fiberglass in the ceiling and R15 bubble foil in the roof and slide. http://northwoodmfg.com/arctic-fox-2/arctic-fox-35-5z/ One could call the factory and ask ... as far as I know they answer the phone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mptjelgin Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 7 minutes ago, Lou Schneider said: One could call the factory and ask ... as far as I know they answer the phone. Even better, we're in La Grande for the next few weeks and plan to try and get a factory tour! As I said, we are considering Artic Fox for our next trailer and would like to learn more about them. Mark & Teri 2021 Grand Designs Imagine 2500RL, 2019 Ford F-350 Mark & Teri's Travels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lou Schneider Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 If I'm a Northwoods fan, it's because I bought that 1999 Arctic Fox 26x from a salvage yard after it had been in a crash similar to the Nash trailer in this video. Pause it at the 36 second mark and see how well the structure held up after flipping onto it's side at speed and careening into the center divider. My trailer was in a similar crash and survived in similar shape. I don't know if you could say the same for other brands. All it needed was to replace a bent hitch coupler, patch a couple of exterior gouges and a good cleaning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJohns Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 In regards to excelent refrigerator, I got a 8 cu ft in my new fifth because the manufacturer said they worked great. I wanted a residential but took his word. The results are they are no better cooling than the one I had in my 1998 coach.Now I am looking at a residential. 2002 Beaver Marquis Emerald C-12 Cat 505 HP 2014 Volvo 630 D-13 I Shift SOLD 2017 New Horizons SOLD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 On slide floor insulation..... If the slide is flush floor then it likely does not have much, or any, insulation. If it is raised floor then it may or may not have insulation. It is "difficult" to design a flush floor slide with much floor dimension for insulation. Not impossible - New Horizons does it - but difficult. This is just a general guideline. There are obviously exceptions. But if you look at flush floor slides you will see that they "typically" have little-to-no insulation added to the structure. Air infiltration is as important as insulation "values". Probably more important. If you have lousy windows and slide seals - especially at the corners of the slides - you will get lots of air movement in the rig and it will feel far colder than "necessary". You need both - good insulation, and tightness. I agree that manufacturers "stretch" the insulation values. There is no real standard, and they have to figure out the layers themselves. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 On our Teton our slideouts floor is same as walls. But again they were the exception and they went under also. Ours is flush mounts. Again I agree, can't go by advertised r values published. Have to do your own homework. Jfyi a 2" thick wall has more living space than a 3" wall. I didn't think it made much difference but after owning both it is. Also I had to call manufacturers to find out what type foam used when I was shopping. Specifically had to ask either closed cell or open. Again this isn't a priority with them. It don't increase sales 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mptjelgin Posted August 13, 2017 Report Share Posted August 13, 2017 NuWa used to make a big point of noting that they used only the Blue Dow Corning closed cell foam in their trailers, and pointed out the benefits of that material. But they're out of business, so your point about not increasing sales seems valid!! Mark & Teri 2021 Grand Designs Imagine 2500RL, 2019 Ford F-350 Mark & Teri's Travels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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