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Well no, the infection rate in south Florida has been caused by the ongoing flood of plague carriers from NYC and other infection centers in that area. The governor has tried to limit their flow into the state but his hands are tied by the Constitution's guarantee of free travel between the states. The feds should have closed the airports but were blocked by political screaming. Up here in the north part of the state most counties have been little affected since historically people from NY prefer the Miami-Lauderdale-Palm Beach part of the state. Our winter hasn't been that warm but we have had no hard freezes. The gainesville area has had more than other counties but it is the location of the large 50,000 student University Of Florida with many thousands of international students and profs. Even so the infection rate seems to be leveling off at about 200 cases with zero fatalities and few hospitalizations. Of course if we were doing antibody testing I suspect tens of thousands probably had it.

OK this is a very long and mildly to very technical discussion of what to expect in the way of vaccines: In the Pipeline by Derek Lowe Lowe is in the business of doing this sort of thing and is semi-skeptical over the possibilities of drug and vaccine development in the short term. Meaning less than 18 months. He has participated in a number of failed drug development teams in his career and is aware of the many pitfalls. But the above will give you the best idea of what is going on right now that I've seen by an industry insider.

WE have a 2012 F350 6.7L SRW 4WD. My first diesel and my first 4WD. I have a good F150 5.4L before. Now when we bought the F350 we were planning on pulling a fiver, which we did, a 35 ft fifth wheel. All over the mountain west and the rest of the country. Our kids visited all of the lower 48, Mexico and Canada. Never had a major issue with the truck. The kids are out of the house, and we moved down to a heavy 30 ft Arctic Fox TT. Needless to say the F350 drags it over mountains just fine. Would I trade down to a gasser, not a chance. Would I buy a different brand? I would look at RAMs but I'm not sure if I would end up with one rather than a Ford. I cannot complain about the Ford truck I have but model years have rolled by and I'd look at both. I am absolutely against GM (aka Government Motors) for their behavior during their bail out. And their trucks just don't stand out from the pack IMO.

We stay on Marathon at Pirates Cove. Costs a fraction of what the places near Key West do and it's not that long a drive to get to KW. For us a daytrip to KW is plenty the place is a drunkards Tourist trap, you know the type of place. Gatlinburg, Jackson Hole and so on. There is a lot to do based in Marathon, swimming, diving, snorkeling, there are parks to visit and restaurants to be sampled. Pirates Cove has it's own protected beach. Everglades Park is within daytrip range too. You absolutely want to take a dive boat trip to the reefs, snorkel or Scuba if you are certified. Not pricey and they will rovide gear. The dives are all escorted by divers.

We are Florida residents and while I haven't done it yet was planning to use SBI. But we are not selling our house or land here and will keep that for residency purposes. Both my wife and I can renew our DL right now, they allow early processing here, 10 months IIRC. So our DL won't expire for 6 years and we'll be in and out of the state anyway. My wife requires grandkid exposure at least several times a year and demands that she be here for Christmas season.. As for SBI I like the fact that they receive and process the mail right there. Shipping it off to Texas seems like it's asking for problems because of excess complexity.

Snowbird country is where you'll find many deals like that. Central to South Florida in my case. We picked up a fantastical deal on an Arctic Fox 25 2016 model for less than 20K near the Villages. People get down here and either have medical problems or just decide to sell their RV and there are bargains to be had.

Ditto on Bill's suggestions, thumbs down on Harvest Host unless you like hanging around winerys and other locations they have and it isn't even low cost since you are expected to buy stuff where you stop and they only let you stay one day or maybe two. And I've recently heard folks complaining about getting cancelled at the last minute. You can add Bass Pro, Cabellas and Cracker Barrel to the overnight stops.

We are divided into the 'stay at home bunch until a vaccine is distributed, meaning another year" and the 'this can't go on much longer without destroying the US economy and innumerable people in the process'. No amount of discussion will move anyone from one way of thinking to the other. Fortunately the US government is being run by folks in the second realist group and the president is working on pulling us out of this mess. There is good news, Germany has found in limited testing that 15% of the population has been exposed and developed antibodies. Most of them never knew that they had the WuFlu. 15% of the US population is roughly 20,000,000 people, that drives the mortality rate down aroun 0.3 or 0.4% They are rolling out testing here in the US in next few weeks to do the same. Most of the country away from some big urban centers are not much affected. Whole states have very few infections. If the constitution permitted and it probably does not the best thing we could do is really isolate the plague centers. Shut down the airports and roads into those spots.

What difference does it make where he is, so long as he isolates himself in his RV??

Geez you have to be desperate to spend the summer at Quartzite

Yes a few people in rural states may get it, most of those are probably from plague carriers from the infected states. However being out in your RV is probably the best isolation you will find unless you socialize with fellow campers. The SE states seem for the most part to be open for business for state parks and commercial parks. Florida is an irritating outlier. BLM and NF sites are mainly open except when local authorities close them. I just don't believe this will still be around in 4 to 6 weeks. I'm convinced that the seasonal effect will kick in. Humidity, Warm Temperatures, and sunlight and fresh air are all shown to knock down the transmission rates. Washington State is saying that they think they they've turned the corner.

If they meant travel inside the US they would have said so.

The CDC has guidelines that tell people moving between areas to self isolate for 14 days? Please post a link.

I saw an article that said that period is much shorter than people thought and symptoms show up in a few days. Even if that period is three days why self isolate for 14 days??

That may be true but for the most part this was just idiotic and senseless follow the herd panic buying. I saw it on facebook and therefor I have to do it.

If you are an asymptomatic carrier, something so far as I know has not been seen, then why would waiting 14 days fix that. You'd still be a asymptomatic carrier.

Bunkum! Yes avoid unnecessary contact when traveling. But people coming from low infection rate areas don't need to self isolate. MT for example has less than 50 cases. Right now almost all the cases in this country are from the NYC, Northern NJ, Boston axis. Eastern WA state, New Orleans area and some spots in Cali. The are some hot spots like Miami, Ft Launderdale, Palm Beach (all which have large numbers of people from the NYC zone) but the rest of the country, more than 90% have minor problems. And most of those problems are from over reacting politicians. Look at this map: ap news The article is a couple days old but the map is actively updated with current numbers.

TP, Kleenex and paper towels have reappeared in our stores. Limit 1 package per visit. The hysterical panic is subsiding slowly here locally. I saw someone with bottled water in his cart too. There are still odd empty spots on the shelves tho

This from Rhode Island:

Here is the county by county map I referred to: apnews It's two days old and I didn't see a current version. But you can see there are vast areas of the country mostly unaffected. Actually that map is being updated, the county I live in has current numbers. Manhattan has 24000 cases and if you add in the surrounding counties and Long Island the number is probably over 40,000. So close La Guardia and Kennedy air ports I say...heh block the bridges too. The link program here stinks. Once it starts you have a hard time stopping it. But that is the most useful map I've seen, the ones with the stupid circle/bubble indicators are worthless. All the circles merge together and you can not see any detail. NYC has such a large circle it blots out the NE states

Dr Fauci reportedly just said that 60% of the infections in the whole country are around NYC. We need to ban travel to and from there.

I'm the OP on this post and I thought it was a minor post that maybe would get a few views and one or two replies. Just goes to show that you never know what threads have the longest 'legs'....heh.

AP had a detailed county by county map of the country. The NO area was indeed the big hot spot in the south. But the rest of the state north of I-10 has few infections. Miami-Ft Launderdale moderately warm, lots of New Yorkers there. And the NYC area was the hottest of all. The other spots were just where you would expect, Detroit, Seattle, Boston, SF etc. Indeed what struck me was that if you put the 2016 Red-Blue county voting map next to this map you'd get just about a 1:1 correlation. Urban areas hit the worst, rural areas mostly untouched. So why did the New Mexico governor, who's state is just about untouched, jump to close the state parks? Along with several other states. There are still lots of places to camp. BLM land is open and so far as I know NF land is too.

Yup same problem they are way behind on required pension plan payments. Plus email and the internet have hammered them. The Census online reporting for example, think about all those paper census forms that are not being sent and are not feeding money into the postal system.

That's a senseless question, who pays for everything----we do. The post office is expected to go into bankruptcy before the end of the year.