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OK I went thru a number of COE Districts to see if they are opening. I mainly checked SE, Midwest and SW offices. And let me tell you they do not make it easy: Nashville: open Louisville: Open Kansas City: closed at least thru 6/1 Omaha: closed at least thru 6/1 Montana: COE reported open Tulsa: reopen 5/20 Walla Walla: closed St Paul: who knows Albuqueque: who knows Ft Worth: reopen 5/20 Vicksburg: reopen 5/20 in Arkansas only WV: may be open residents only The COE has the worst most difficult to use website I know of. They really need a national rework under a central group. They make the NPS web pages look very good by comparison. As noted above I could find nothing on a couple of districts. And I regard none of this as highly reliable. So check yourself if you plan to camp. I did not bother to check the west coast districts. Or the Northeast ones.

I'll have to say this: most MD's are not trained in epidemic control very few are. That's a separate specialty. And few are even trained in infectious disease control besides some general training in med school. And last most doc's are highly conservative (not politically) about managing diseases. They don't get sued for being too cautious. So I'd listen to what they say but would not always act on their advice unless it makes sense. And it's no use trying to have a discussion with most of them, for the most part they all have doctoritis and firmly believe that non-physicians don't know diddly squat about anything medical matters. Of course they get lots of reinforcement for that opinion hearing the idiotic opinions of many patients. You know "doctor, doctor...vaccination causes autism!!"

That map is outdated you need to check state by state on their websites.

No and they do not suffer if I choose to do so. But nambyism is rampant in that group. So it's "do as I say or else", typical for your side.

So this is just based on your feeling, why make every one else suffer because you feel a certain way?

That's why I said BLOCK ALL INCOMING FOREIGN TRAVEL

I have a question for the math literate among you: 1) Social distancing was initially justified by the desire to reduce the burden on hospital facilities. The idea was to flatten the curve of new symptomatic patients needing hospital care by pushing the curve peak to the right (of the patient number vs time curve) and reducing the peak height. However the curve when integrated would maintain the same number of symptomatic patients it would just stretch out the curve. 2) There would still be the same number of sick people in other words it never claimed to prevent infection. And social distancing did not work: NYDN 3) There never was a rush of patients into hospitals, emergency constructed temp hospitals and hospital ships sat empty. There is a glut of respirators there never was a shortage. 4) So since the goal of social distancing has been achived why do we still continue social distancing?

1) Close the airports in the NYC and surrounding area. Do the same for any other high incidence areas. Discourage in any way possible travel from those areas. 2) Block all foreign incoming travel, especially from China. If US citizens wish to return require them to stay in a quarantine facility for 30 days and only allow them to exit if they test negative. 3) Initiate home detention for only high incidence areas. For NY that would be the NYC and surrounding areas leaving upstate NY free. For FL the Dade to Palm Beach areas leaving the rest of the state open. However step one should reduce the problem in southeast FL. Do the same in other states. 4) Leave parks open as much as possible, if closure needed on a case by case basis then just close the buildings and eliminate ranger tours and such. Allow camping in self contained campers only. Encourage outdoor activities, weather permitting. 5) Follow the Florida plan for nursing and other old age homes. Remove any people who test positive and are symptomatic to hospitals, limit visitation and require a negative test for those who do, provide ppe to workers in those places. Block transfer of positive patients to the nursing homes. Do the same for jails and prisons, reduce visitation, test any new inhabitants and keep the symptomatic in isolated facilities. Provide ppe and testing for workers. 6) Prioritize bringing essential production back into the US. Items such as PPE, essential medical equipment and medication should be produced in country. That's just off the top of my head I'm sure there are others I'm not thinking of at the moment.

Finally we planned to use a number of the COE parks going thru Kentucky and Missouri. But they hopefully will open in June which would fit our schedule.

Ah yes we have moved on to another of Alinsky's rules: "Ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Try ad hominum when all else fails.

OK let me point out I was a Laboratory Technical Manager who had the EPA breathing down my neck for many years. I am probably much more familiar with using statistics to 'prove' something than you are. The point is that no claims by either side have been definitively 'proved', the data is just not there and most likely won't be there until this plague is over and done with. So all you can do is pick your set of 'facts' and go with them. As for not bothering to disprove my statements, that is the typical response from your side of the issue. And it means you cannot disprove them but want to claim that doing so is beneath you. Your side almost never rebuts arguments with actual data.

Well my insurance gives us a bonus for using mail pharmacies. Buy from their preferred one of those and we get one month free for a 3 month order. You may want to check your policy for something like that. I assumed that the OP question about Expresscipt was about mail in not walk in.

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/coronavirus-transmission-chinese-study-shows-covid-more-likely-spread-indoors/ The sun That's enough for me feel free to look up the rest yourself these are easily found.

Are youi people talking about mail pharmacies or just going to a local drug store?

An those 'experts' were consistently wrong in their predictions, predicting 800 deaths in South Dakota when the actual number was 3 at the time and now is 33. They are operating with little or no real data that is the infamous GIGO condition, Garbage in; Garbage Out. Now real data is beginning to come out and it looks the the infection rate over the country is more like 4-6%, higher in plague centers like NYC where it could be 20%/ That pushes the fatality rate down to 0.15 to 0.2%. That's seasonal flu area. There is data showing the the virus only survives for a minute or so in sunlight and air. That the infection rate is 18.6 times higher inside than out in the sun. That you are only likely to catch it from prolonged close contact not passing someone in the street. And that masks pose more of a risk than the chance of them preventing anyone from catching it. I will be making reservations for Georgia and Tennessee for the end of the month and early June, and will be in a wait and see status for more states opening up after that. If you are worried then stay inside and avoid people, they are no hazard to your health mental or physical. And for the 'super spreader' story that is a urban myth with absolutely zero data behind it. If you think I'm wrong post a link proving otherwise and a internet story does not constitue proof.

A very big problem and one tht the administration is trying to fix. The fix won't be fast tho.

I use Walmart having been involuntarily switched from PrimeMail. They are much slower, even in normal times to fill orders. Often takes a week or so to get a refrigerated order while Prime Mail would get it to you in a couple of days. And they do not show prices when you order, they are unknown until you get the invoice in your shipment. In my case the decision was made by my insurance company, I had no say in it. And you may be in the same boat so check with your insurer. Having Walmart stores locally has nothing to do with mail delivery unless I'm missing something.

That's the tactic people use when they don't want to even think about the subject at hand. That way they can erase it from their mind, since it comes from an unclean source....heh

Well that's stupid. Hopefully there won't be any open RV parks.

Maybe they are going to upstate NY not the plague capital NYC and areas around it.

Likewise I think waiting for a vaccine is almost the same as giving up RVing. There are quite a few being worked on and some are reportedly in early testing but wait and see is my position. Even when one goes thru all three stages of testing, goes thru the government approval process and goes into production. How long will it take to produce hundreds of millions of doses for the US and administering them to enough people to create 'herd immunity'. That would be something like 170,000,000 people or more injected, maybe several times. Just think of the hard time they've had getting people tested and that number is not even close to the number needed for a vaccine. As for seasonal flu numbers, I've seen a couple of articles that point out that the numbers they publish are generated by one of the infamous and worthless models. After all have you ever been actually tested to see if you really have the flu? I never have and no one I know has been either. Apparently there are a few hospitals that participate in an annual testing program and report to the CDC who fires up the model out spits a number. Probably as good as the numbers the models have been producing for the WuFlu, totally imaginary.

We really should drop this, we have hijacked the OP's thread. So this will be my last post on this subject. As for people avoiding Asian restaurants, how could they no one is allowed to eat in a restaurant now days. Tho that is slowly changing in some states. Otherwise show real data not supposition and rumors.

Can't argue with that, the 'flu' means seasonal influenza not this stuff

Just people distinguishing it from DC

Right now tentative plans are a week or so of camping in FL/GA around May 15th. The rumor is that FL parks will reopen camping on the 15th if so we may go to a beach side state park. Then we have a bunch of family birthdays near the end of May. After that we want to head out. Originally planned to be going to WY then the PNW but that is out the door so we'll have to play it by ear until the situation becomes clearer. There are some state parks in GA and TN that we wanted to visit, so probably GA then who knows. Want to end up in northern mountain states for summer tho. We planned to start full timing the summer, my wife is retiring from the school system an it's uncertain whether she will have to come back and work for 2 weeks or can just take terminal vacation. She's getting conflicting info from different people. So we may have to come back to FL for 2 weeks at the end of August.