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Pretty ingenious I think and it probably works fine. Mexico is the biggest consumer of bottled water in the world so those containers are everywhere and cheap.

Both are best, but since it is pretty well determined the main vector is respiratory droplets rather than surfaces, a face shield is probably pretty effective Like this lady in Mexico

It is incredible t how, in the US, this has become such a political thing. I always wondered how climate change could become so political, now something as basic as common sense health has become political. Are peoepl so dumb they can't see the obvious? Thank god its not a zombie apocalypse.

I fail to see why some people are so inconsiderate of others. My parents lived through the blitz. They say this inconvenience is nothing. They had to black out their homes and huddle in there as bombs fell, and to top that off they were starving. Are we really this spoiled and self centered?

Well they need to be convinced. I notice people starting to get careless around here, and we don't have a problem right now. Yet.

That may be the case. Looking at the situation, right now any Canadian would be nuts to go into the US. The difference between the situation in Canada and the US is marked. Especially places like BC where there were only 2 new cases yesterday and no deaths, compared to over 500 just south in Washington state. Quebec is still not great, but considerably better than most US States. On that basis I really cannot see the US/Canada land border re-opening, probably until next year unless there is a drastic reduction in cases in the US. If it becomes worse in the Fall , I can see countrywide lock down and inability to travel interstate. On the hand, and I hate to say this, so many people may have gotten it by winter that the number of transmitters have declined drastically, assuming people who have had it cannot transmit it, which is still an if. That is not a nice way to get there, as it requires a lot of collateral damage. I suspect you can reduce your risk a lot by wearing a mask and probably a face shield. It looks more and more like this is usually transmitted by respiration droplets and not so much by surfaces. If 100% wore one for a few weeks every time they are in proximity to others, the spread could probably be bought under control to the point where it reduces to controllable outbreaks. The issue is politicians get in the way. Europe just banned Americans this morning. I hate to say it, but you have a big problem down there.

yes that is the way it will work in the US & Canada. soem countries will depend on your wallet.

that is also the Oxford vaccine. That one is quite promising, it works in other primates. It may only be good for a year, but that works.

yeah the translation is tricky. i will check out the youtube link on edit, both are fixed now

I suspect things may get so dire they will take chances. That happened with polio and the first batch caused issues. It also happened with a flu outbreak in the 50's and that time it worked well. regulation was slacker back then. I can foresee people signing releases to get one that is not fully tested. In Mexico they are talking about the Oxford vaccine being available in October. Presumably the regulatory hurdles are not present there. Insurance of course is the other issue. I am on Mexican medicare, but I am not so sure I want to end up in hospital with it down there.

I am very doubtful it will be possible to get across the Canadian border before year end. Over 50% of Canadians want it to stay closed. The situation in Canada is nowhere near as bad. Here in BC we have a small handful of infections a day and barely any deaths now. We have the advantage of having one of the worlds foremost experts on epidemic, Dr Bonnie Henry in charge and the politicians have stepped aside and let her make all the decisions. It has paid off big time. We never even fully locked down. And that is despite Vancouver being the largest entry point in North America for flights from China. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/05/world/canada/bonnie-henry-british-columbia-coronavirus.html I normally drive my RV down to Mexico each year. I do the customer orientation and website for an RV caravan company. Trips this year are seriously in doubt. I have booked airfare this year to go down (I am a legal resident, so they have to let me in), but I am prepared to cancel if it is still too risky. We may look at running destination caravans where we can keep a group together and head for one beachside RV park for 3 months. May be able to do that safely, but it will be without Canadians if the border is still shut. There is a possibility of a vaccine by October (maybe in Mexico according to one publication) but who knows. We have put together some interesting info on Covid at https://mexicocaravan.com/Covid.pdf

I picked up on it when my Colombian friends misspelled British Columbia where I live.

Comon error, but tos COLOMBIA, not Columbia. Its British Columbia

You will be surprised at Colombia.i was in Bogota last christmas and Medellin for NYs with friends family. Modern and clean, you can even drink the water. Even the countryside looks nothing like the rest of Latin America

Nice to catch up with old friends, Chip. I don't know if you remember Mainecoons (Dan). I had breakfast with him & his wife in Chapala last week. We have kept in touch. They have lived down here for several years now. I used to vist John when I passed through Redding. His health was not great. Heck of a nice guy. I actually got the news via Joe Capps. He has now moved back to NY. I was planning to drop by on my way south but ended up going down through Nevada instead. Wish I hadn't now. If you are still active any of those forums, maybe you can pass it on. I tried to send an email to the admin of the congress (spacebeing?), but I am not sure if he will get it as I am no longer active there. Paul

Good post. Of course one should exercise caution at all times no matter where yoyu are. Shit can happen. Everyone in Canada was shocked in August when the American-Australian couple were murdered in Northern BC. You never know when your number is up. Sushidog were we on a couple of forums together a few years back? Your handle looks familiar. If so, you probably rememeber wanderingjays (john Seymour). He passed away 2 weeks ago.

nuevo laredo, cuidad jarez are bad news, I avoid both. If I cross at Laredo, I use columbia bridge. It is a completely diferent country 100 miles south of the border. Like in a pond, the scum rises to the surface. I have lost count of the number of times people have given me the shirt off their back and asked for nothing in retrun. There are bad people everywhere, but a heck of lot of good people as well.

Whatever the circumstances, dead is dead like hundreds of school children all over the US, Walmart shoppers in Texas, concert go'ers in Vegas. All still dead (including a friend of mine in the Vegas incident). And has it stopped? No. So obviously the laws and police in the US are not doing a very good job at it, just as in Mexico, as mass killings happen nearly every day in the good ole USA. The only diference I see, is that you generally have to have a good reason to be shot in Mexico, not just doing your weekly shopping at a Walmart or enjoying a concert with friends (If you can call Country music enjoyable). I am not kidding when I say I feel a lot safer down here in my RV than I do in many parts of the US. I was a block away in Tucson when Gabby was shot, that was a wake up call. I certainly feel a lot safer than I do in Europe these days. Regardless I did not work 35 years to spend my retirement in a kevlar vest on my couch. I have actually become so fond of this country I am taking out resident status next month. I like a country where teenagers sit in the town square with their parents on a Saturday night rather than hanging around a 7-11 making mischief, and where people see you stopped for lunch on the roadside and stop and ask you if you need help. Last time I saw that in the US or Canada was in the 1950"s. Most Americans have a very distorted view of this country. Selective blindness, focusing on bad incidents here while ignoring all the crap that happens every day at home. Even in the Vancouver area of Canada where I live 1/2 the year, there now are weekly killings related to drugs, often in very public places. the world is a dangerous place, but living in paranoia, is not living. Regardless, it is a personal choice. if you you dont feel comfortable, stay at home, but don't tell the rest of us where we should or should not go., unless based on personal experience. BTW, I have been to Syria and Afghanistan ( I do not recommend either at this time, no comment on Somalia as I have not been there) Also, Canada now has a travel warning out about the US.

We put our 5 year oid grandaughter in preschool down here 2 years running. Statistically she was a lot safer than she would have been in a US School.

QUOTE: Mexico, in my opinion and in the US State Dept's opinion, is unsafe to travel in. Read this 21 dead near border add to this the massacre a couple weeks ago of the Mormons including children and infants. There is unending open warfare. The country is out of control. Their government says they are going to tame the cartels with 'love' not guns. They are so corrupt that they cannot beat the cartels back. President Trump has justifiably classified the cartels as terrorists. The place is an out of control war zone and anyone who travels down there is asking for trouble. May as well travel to Syria I am guessing you don't live int he United States or you never read a newspaper. I live 6-7 months a year in Mexico. Over the last 12-13 years I have driven the entire country with no issue nor have I seen any issue. It is pretty much calling the kettle black to point out dangers in Mexico when people in the US are beinbg shot to death at random in Walmarts, at country music concerts, movie theatres, schools, and county fairs. Heck even in Canada last summer 2 RV'ers were murdered in Northern BC. The Mormon incident was bad, but these folks were interferring with cartels in a remote cartel controlled area and were targeted. That is the big point about violence in Mexico, it is largely targeted, while a lot of violence in the US appears to be random. You can generally avoid being a target, you cannot avoid random. To be honenst I feel less safe in Europe than I do in Mexico with the increase in terrorism. I spent the last 2 summers there. I was in London during the first London Bridge incident (the other was this week) and I was in France when people were ploughed down there by truck. You are now reminded of it by armoured vehicles blocking streets with access to tourist attractions BTW the couple murdered for their RV in Texas in late October were killed by Americans, not Mexicans, they just drove the RV into Mexico to try and dissappear. Someone in the facebook group I admin, where I posted theri info, recognized them and reported them to the Police who very quickly shipped them back to the US. I guess if you want to be safe you can stay in your house, but then again you may not be safe there. Living in fear is not living. Don't be scared to RV in Mexico, 1000's of us do it every year. Just stay away from drugs and people who are involved in them BTW here is where I am right now, near Guadalajara:

Thanks for the plug Rich. I no longer lead any personally myself although I often help take people out and end of season, many want to extend trips, so I have done that. I had a very serious accident in Canada in June and I am still a bit nervous driving an RV (see Rollover ). Gabriel was with me and we both survived with just whiplash and concussions. Anyone in the back seat would have been killed as it was really flattened. Worst thing was the engine was still running, I could not reach the key and one of the propane tanks on the hitch had been compromised. I could smell propane very strongly. It took a minute to get my belt off so i could switch it off. Terrifying. Had to go get pysch help after that, lots of nightmares. Good thing was the dash cam absolved me of all blame. I have now bought a Cruise America rental return Class C which I intend to store in Villa Corona starting in 2020. This year is a shakedown trip and I am noting things I need to work on over next summer, before I do that. It is very low slung so I have to drive it carefully down here, but it will likely only be driving between Guadalajara & Melaque each season. I have scraped the generator exhaust pipe a couple of times. If I lead another caravan it will be in a pickup truck, using rooms. I probably will do that for the total solar eclipse on April 8th, 2024 in Mazatlan. There are already dozens interested in that, they will need lots of wagon masters. it will be total from Celestino down to Teacapan, and also in Durango. Maybe you 2 would be interested? Probably do some including copper canyon and some not. The caravan company owner is a good friend, I even had his son (Bernardo) with me for summer to learn English. I still help him with his website and do some scouting for him and help his customers with all the paperwork. You have to stay busy when your retired or you're dead. There is a 3 month Yucatan loop in Jan 2020. I have led 2 over that route myself, and Kevin & Ruth Read did one last spring. A lot tougher with more dry camping, but sure interesting. We got into remote ruins hardly anyone goes in to, like Calakmul. Besides the previous customer discount you are entitled to, we could probably use Sylvia as a translator and Spanish teacher on that one, as the Wagon Masters are just learning Spanish. They are fluent in English & French. Mike & Louise. Mike is retired RCMP. They are leading an Airstream caravan this season. First Airstream caravan into Mexico in decades. Silver sausages they call them down here.

I wagon master for a company that does caravans. San Miguel is a stop although I much prefer nearby Guanajuato. Caravans de Mexico is the only company running english language caravans deep into Mainland Mexico these days. You can safely RV in Mexico on your own, but a caravan the first time is not a bad idea.

In Puerto penaasco, Mexico on my back from Melaque, Jalisco for the winter. Crossing back into US tomorrow. what is HDT. On edit I just found out.