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I use Avast free on my Android tablet and Android smartphone. It hasn't caught anything and neither have my machines. So far so good. I use Windows Defender on my Win 8 systems, MSE on my one Win 7 and one XP3 systems. No infections in years. All systems are kept up to date on Win Updates and all third party software on my machines. Nary a problem there either.

http://www.tflguide.com/2011/04/how-investors-react-in-different-market-situations.html Are you a: Window shopper, Seasonal trader, Scapegoat, Hi-Tech Lalaji, Mr. Cool? See the above article and see which characterization matches which posts most consistently. This is an insightful article that is entertaining in its approach. And so true!

Hey Cindy! Good point! Ken, Who are you trying to convince? BS is in the eye of the beholder. I hope whatever burr you have under your saddle resolves soon for you. Go on and escalate because the more you call me ignorant about investing, the more you agree with me! Thanks for your support!

Ken, Actually, I don't know anything about investing. I never wtf'd anybody as a put down. I also never put on airs, or put down someone who knew less than me in something I do know. Then you went on to say: " It is just an irritant when someone who obviously has no investing background. . ." ROTFLMAO! Let me tell you what I consider an irritant. When someone jumps into a thread that is many pages long and completely assumes he understands another. Go to this thread's first page and read my post there where I say with my first post that I know nothing about investing. And if you are curious scan each page as I reiterate that I consider myself the least experienced and knowledgeable person posting. However as everyone who HAS read the whole thread to understand what went on before knows, unlike your post, I make no pretense of being better, smarter, knowing more than another, or attempting to denigrate someone by saying they don't even know the basics, well, I am grinning from ear to ear right now. Here is page one for you. It is how you become qualified to know that it is rather difficult for me to take anything you say seriously. See, it is basic to read a thread before you comment on it or assume you are reading into things as they actually are. Is this how you research your investments? Skip all the data and jump to conclusions based on correlational errors? Here is page one. Thank you for confirming so rudely what I claimed. I never claimed any expertise as you have. Carry on! http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=93326&st=0

Guys, I agree that things are volatile. I am in funds for a percentage in managed monies via USAA investments branch, a company I own a part of. Part in real estate, and even better the acreage I live on. I have a serious, but not bank breaking long term in one stock. I expect it to bring similar rewards as Google and Apple have for their early investors. But you never know. I have never understood the folks who think that they can trade and compete with the guys that have enough money to buy a million, and then sell it a few minutes later, and then buy it again a few minutes after that and not worry about the three day wait imposed on the rest of us. I also don't think most have the temperament for it. They panic easier than a herd of deer come upon a man in their woods. That does not make the economist or the opposite better in any way. I have never seen a statistic harm anybody except for college students with a final exam. Statistics are always behind, looks back, telling how things happened, not how they will happen. I have learned that if the company and the leader is solid and believers themselves, not just in for five years and doing the same old trick only to pull their golden parachute and worse keep repeating that regardless of the losses they caused, that they will always be the one to buy when all else panic. If the past is such a good indicator, then the performance of Tesla always inching back up and never failing to produce more than rumors, says they will never fail. IT can't be both ways. That negative statistics of the past foretell the future but positive ones don't. I agree though. Had I lost money in the last 2007-2008 financial crash, I would have financial PTSD too. As it stood I had all of my income to buy, not sell my funds, and later in 2010 when they IPO'd, Tesla.

Ride captain ride!

Hey Ken, no chicken little's here. Some folks really believe that and are as flabbergasted that we don't. Hey it is not 12:00 here but if I keep saying it is eventually, twice a day I will be right. It isn't that people are chicken little, it is that if they believe they can make money they will. If the believe they can't, they are right. I don't think less of those I disagree with in anything. I just do my thing.

Tesla moving ahead nicely.

Yep! Solar city IPO'd and SpaceX expected to IPO this year too.

All of the brouhaha here kind of reminds of a Robert A. Heinlein quote. “Don't ever become a pessimist, Ira; a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun--and neither can stop the march of events.” Robert A. Heinlein TANSTAAFL

Me too Newt! I don't think that'll be a consideration for long though.

Now that would have been a great cross country trip Newt! I wonder if he was the first ever to cross the continent in an EV? By the time I could afford their third stage consumer priced models they will likely have most of the nation covered with their fast 30 minute chargers that are free for Teslas. I have to pause to pop the bubble a lot of folks operate in when talking about EVs. The first is the myth that it can't go long range for trips and that the recharging infrastructure is not in place. Back when cars first started it would have been much faster if there were cans of fuel and a dipper in every home to power anything gasoline but it took too long without drive up larger volume pumps. There is electric everywhere to charge, and planned free stations. These fasr recharge stations are solar, require no tanks, bio hazards, no delivery trucks, and could be placed in neighborhoods eventually, as the vehicles that use them are silent, and emit no noxious gases. Besides, I am no longer 25 years old when I thought driving non-stop for 22 hours from Co. Springs, to Shreveport for the holidays. I need a 30 minute break after three hours behind the wheel. When fulltiming 200 miles a day behind the wheel was enough. That was 15 years ago when I was first retired at 45. Today if I drove for eight hours I'd need assistance to get out I'be so stiff and sore! Put another way. I remember when we did Alaska as a two rig caravan with another couple, using the AlCan on the way up, and the Cassiar on the way back. We worried that diesel would be available every 250 miles or so because we had one ton duallys that had 30 gallon tanks and got 10 miles per gallon towing heavy in 1999. But we never even thought about electricity. We were always able to plug in our rigs, even though, like an EV, we needed bigger cables for power and bigger plugs, plus higher amperage than most homes or fuel stations were equipped to provide. The electric is there. All they are lacking are the wiring and outlet pedestals, just like RV electrical hookups but different volt / amps. The electricity and infrastructure is already in place. Like when we installed a 30 and later 50 amp box at our family land to park on for a few months every winter, the infrastructure even in rural setting is already there. Now that charge times are down to 30 mins for trips, and they already have the California corridor supplied with free solar charging stations, and plan nationwide free charging stations for their cars, the adoption rates will climb as fast as my stock. Or not.

Hey guys! Aside from being named car of the year, and all the accolades, the stock is climbing pretty fast again. I am long term so won't be selling but it looks like it may pass the big 40 finally. There were so many folks shorting it that they may have pulled out finally once they saw that Tesla was in the black Several folks here played Tesla with me and if any of you are still in with Tesla it is looking good. Back a while I mentioned that the dip was likely the last real buy opportunity for awhile. No gloating here just positive news not negative. It is no surprise to me as I have been saying all along what would be happening before during and after the Model S launch. I can't gloat about what I already was sure of. I just popped in to let all know that Tesla's arrogant world changing, history making, CEO, Elon Musk, has two other companies, both of which are also disruptive in their approach. Solar City was about to IPO, but postponed, and I think I know why. Solar City was positioned as an installer in a world glut and lowest prices ever for solar panels. Their IPO would have made them the second largest solar company ion the world. However with the fiscal cliff controversies flying I would hold back to see which way the wind blows before i went forward with an IPO for a company that would do well with Government subsidies to individuals for solar and green incentives. SpaceX just got the first ever two contracts from the Air Force ever awarded outside the Boeing Lockheed consortium for launches. Insofar as my listing above that he is world changing, he invented PayPal, and that has changed the world and online commerce forever. He made history being the first ever private spacecraft to dock with the ISS successfully. He changed the world when he not only built the first highway capable high performance long range electrical car two years before any weak economy car looking and driving EVs came from the big three once they saw Tesla actually doing it, but he actually put it into production and sold every one of them for the first two years of production. And he took payment in full up front on those for the first year. I am only letting others who may not be looking at what is being done, know where to look. Space X has not IPO'd yet and has contract from governments and companies all over the world now. Exciting times.

Excerpt: "At a New York City event, Tesla Motors’ Model S was named Car of the Year by Motor Trend magazine. The selection of the Model S marked the first time a vehicle with a non-combustion engine won this prestigious award in its 63-year history. Even more amazing than the win by Tesla’s electric car is that it won by unanimous decision." http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney-biggest-loser-scores-huge-050000067.html

Excellent article Ron, and nice blog too!

Duke I don't know either because I read a few but it seemed like fortune telling without the obligatory vision of the future. That not meant harshly, anybody can continually predict a given good or bad perspective consistently and be right once in awhile. If I say a stopped clock is always right twice a day someone will say untrue if it shows AM/PM and/or the Date. Opinions are just that. Earnings and economic charts of the major American indexes are facts not opinions. Telling me that there economy has not recovered when it has is counterintuitive. Then sidetracking with tedious reasons why on why it will soon, without acknowledging the facts is disingenuous. Jim I agree. Bully for you! It bears watching. I couldn't resist! BTW thanks a lot for the offline help understanding some of the basics of the mechanics of the ways to invest. I hadn't forgotten, they did clear up a lot.

Ok you two joust, I am so out of here. Not in fear or pretense of arrogant disdain, just that the content of the charts are fact. The emotions are unwarranted. The belief of another is not required for my balances which are not in the hundreds of thousands, maybe in a few years but not now. The reason I am out of here is my ego is not at risk, and I have no dog in a king of the hill fight. I wish everybody the best.

John, You can only cry wolf so long before you get called on it. You have been reading here for a few years right? Were you reading when I was getting lambasted for paying off my property, and at the exact same time, 2007-2009 buying shares in our funds with most of my salary as we live on our retirements. I had money coming in, more than I could spend and so I invested whike everyone elsevwas bailing, well almost at the bottom, I missed the absolute bottom because I thought it was temporary. It is when people are jumping out of Windows and the markets have crashed that I bought. I am sorry for those that panicked or bought high or got hurt. But cash to invest at the worst times is what makes for good long term investments. My funds are managed. My one stock is no diversifued or balanced. My point John, and not in anger at all, but what could I have done any better? It is easy to point to articles wrong or right that spout long theories and tediou proofs that their armageddon is coming. And the next big panic will be the final one? The end of the world has been predicted by men fearful of a vengeful God, gods and goddesses since recorded history. This is not new, just changed to the almighty markets. All the justifications of the so called experts do not change those charts. Not political big lie theory and spin, not stock prognosticators saying we were lucky just wait, no denial can change the charts, which show that we are now economically better than we were when the markets and housing and the car industries crashed. I remain respectful, but skeptical. I have been reading here for years and usually not posting. Please proceed.

Good article Ed! I have been looking at the charts too and it is funny how when you print out a five year chart they refuse to admit it is real. They make excuses and then will say Yahoo is manipulating the charts for devious political purposes. :lol: You know folks the charts don't lie. The terrible economy did take longer to recover than lesse recessions like the several panics we saw in the last five years. Predictions and charts of nit picks and political beliefs and agendas just can't overcome the truth that we have been doing very well indeed. Funny though that FUD is not automatically a self fulfilling prophecy. Since FUD makes folks back off and there is a constant barrage of FUD on threads like this and on the news, especially with media that has political agendas joining in on the big lie theory, we are doing much better and improving. The housing bubble bust and the financial sector meltdowns of 2007 took a year to become as dire as they would. Fear drives markets but no more than confidence can. Please don't read into my next comments any taking shots at folks who dropped out or idolizing folks who stayed in. Uninformed Pollyanna optimism loses as much as bitterness and cynicism. So how can I make such statements and say that I am not the rule in the ones with confidence, I am not the best experienced or informed. Don't want to be. Not involved in the fear and drama. But in order for the markets to have improved so dramatically since the greatest recession since the great depression says something indisputable. There are many great men, with great amounts of money and influence at their disposal, who have confidence and don't invest naively, nor withdraw in fear. For there to be this much improvement there are a lot of folks that, like me, believe in America, lots. How could I say such a thing? I don't. The five year charts for the NASDAQ, the DOW, and the the S&P say all that needs to be said. Here is one of my funds, if the 5 year chart does not show then just click on five year. http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; Here is the five year chart for the NASDAQ http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; Here is the DOW http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; Here is the S&P 500 http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; I honestly don't understand why some folks call our recovery non-existent. Maybe they watch scare FUD media with no critical eye, just watching for what fears of theirs are erroneously reinforced. IN saying that I am talking about the talking heads, the screaming 30 second investment analysts, and the long dissertations on economic theory online and off, and the day traders who will risk money on a great stock betting against it or for it, then blame the market and call our recovery not a recovery, when their high risk bets on a low risk stock cause them significant losses. Yes again I am still in. I look at the five years charts to reinforce that the hue and cry going on now is nothing but FUD. I see what has actually happened. I still am angry that the ones responsible for the troubled assets ( read criminal activity with other people's money) who went looking for relief in TARP in 2008 to keep their ill gotten gains and not serve one day in jail! Not one Wall Streeter or Banker served one Day in jail or paid any penalties. They destroyed our economy taking our money once, then in 2008 took more of our money and walk around today laughing. I may be angry at those specific individuals, but I have nothing but confidence in American business and innovation and our future. Next up should be getting the congress to enact legislation to stop their corruption and manipulation of investing with insider information. Sent Martha Stewart to jail for what they get rich doing daily.

Wow! This is the single most stunning and accurate profile of Elon Musk I have seen yet! For those still on the sidelines this is a must read if they want to invest again. For those who don't care about great person picks behind the stocks and don't care if the world stays status quo this will do nothing for ya. But for the rest, it will show what I have seen in him since the PayPal days. The times they ARE a changing! From Bloomberg Business Week: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-13/elon-musk-the-21st-century-industrialist On edit: Sorry I originally posted the mobile version from my tablet. The above link is much better on a computer.

Thanks Sigzy.

Higher. But I am staying long on my one stock and pat on our two funds until then.

Thanks for the clarification John. I think that, as I said with no rancor, that a thread about making money today in the market will be more focused on what I want to learn a bit more about. I think I have been on this thread long enough as I have not participated except to say I am still in, and making money the whole time thus far. Money has always been easy for me, maybe because I am not ambitious or worried about it. My past investments have paid off and I am set for life. I am diversified in my holdings but that is because I am risk averse and believe in land and hard currency, in addition to select antiques and art as well as my funds and my one stock soon to be two. Nothing new here really. I am tickled at how knowing Elon will actually execute his plans pretty much on time and always has makes me look like I know something. I do. Listen to the guy making me money as far as stocks go.

You missed the humor in the statement when you said to not believe everything you read. So you were in effect saying don't believe anything you read except my writing. I pointed out the humor good naturedly and apparently that wasn't taken that way. I am sorry but that is for you to work out. I am going to another thread. I have been posting here only because that is where I started out on this. I don't know how many ways I can say I am ignorant of playing the market, and that I think all the analysts are BS. And that I don't care what they say. And to disregard anything I say, except to note if my "predictions" about Elon Musk doing what he said he would is reliable. See they aren't predictions. The plan has been laid out for years, and posted publicly on the Tesla website. I am simply parroting that back in both my posts and my investing. If you want analysis from me or me to read yours sorry. I don't know enough to give you a good challenging exchange. And don't care to. That sincerely said not in anger. Your anger is your problem, not mine. As much as this may be hard to believe, it just does not matter to me. I am fine in my world ignorant of all the market except what my investment is doing. I wish you the best in your endeavors to convince others of yours. Safe investing! (Or not)