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All of the brouhaha here kind of reminds of a Robert A. Heinlein quote. “Don't ever become a pessimist, Ira; a pessimist is correct oftener than an optimist, but an optimist has more fun--and neither can stop the march of events.” Robert A. Heinlein TANSTAAFL

Me too Newt! I don't think that'll be a consideration for long though.

Now that would have been a great cross country trip Newt! I wonder if he was the first ever to cross the continent in an EV? By the time I could afford their third stage consumer priced models they will likely have most of the nation covered with their fast 30 minute chargers that are free for Teslas. I have to pause to pop the bubble a lot of folks operate in when talking about EVs. The first is the myth that it can't go long range for trips and that the recharging infrastructure is not in place. Back when cars first started it would have been much faster if there were cans of fuel and a dipper in every home to power anything gasoline but it took too long without drive up larger volume pumps. There is electric everywhere to charge, and planned free stations. These fasr recharge stations are solar, require no tanks, bio hazards, no delivery trucks, and could be placed in neighborhoods eventually, as the vehicles that use them are silent, and emit no noxious gases. Besides, I am no longer 25 years old when I thought driving non-stop for 22 hours from Co. Springs, to Shreveport for the holidays. I need a 30 minute break after three hours behind the wheel. When fulltiming 200 miles a day behind the wheel was enough. That was 15 years ago when I was first retired at 45. Today if I drove for eight hours I'd need assistance to get out I'be so stiff and sore! Put another way. I remember when we did Alaska as a two rig caravan with another couple, using the AlCan on the way up, and the Cassiar on the way back. We worried that diesel would be available every 250 miles or so because we had one ton duallys that had 30 gallon tanks and got 10 miles per gallon towing heavy in 1999. But we never even thought about electricity. We were always able to plug in our rigs, even though, like an EV, we needed bigger cables for power and bigger plugs, plus higher amperage than most homes or fuel stations were equipped to provide. The electric is there. All they are lacking are the wiring and outlet pedestals, just like RV electrical hookups but different volt / amps. The electricity and infrastructure is already in place. Like when we installed a 30 and later 50 amp box at our family land to park on for a few months every winter, the infrastructure even in rural setting is already there. Now that charge times are down to 30 mins for trips, and they already have the California corridor supplied with free solar charging stations, and plan nationwide free charging stations for their cars, the adoption rates will climb as fast as my stock. Or not.

Hey guys! Aside from being named car of the year, and all the accolades, the stock is climbing pretty fast again. I am long term so won't be selling but it looks like it may pass the big 40 finally. There were so many folks shorting it that they may have pulled out finally once they saw that Tesla was in the black Several folks here played Tesla with me and if any of you are still in with Tesla it is looking good. Back a while I mentioned that the dip was likely the last real buy opportunity for awhile. No gloating here just positive news not negative. It is no surprise to me as I have been saying all along what would be happening before during and after the Model S launch. I can't gloat about what I already was sure of. I just popped in to let all know that Tesla's arrogant world changing, history making, CEO, Elon Musk, has two other companies, both of which are also disruptive in their approach. Solar City was about to IPO, but postponed, and I think I know why. Solar City was positioned as an installer in a world glut and lowest prices ever for solar panels. Their IPO would have made them the second largest solar company ion the world. However with the fiscal cliff controversies flying I would hold back to see which way the wind blows before i went forward with an IPO for a company that would do well with Government subsidies to individuals for solar and green incentives. SpaceX just got the first ever two contracts from the Air Force ever awarded outside the Boeing Lockheed consortium for launches. Insofar as my listing above that he is world changing, he invented PayPal, and that has changed the world and online commerce forever. He made history being the first ever private spacecraft to dock with the ISS successfully. He changed the world when he not only built the first highway capable high performance long range electrical car two years before any weak economy car looking and driving EVs came from the big three once they saw Tesla actually doing it, but he actually put it into production and sold every one of them for the first two years of production. And he took payment in full up front on those for the first year. I am only letting others who may not be looking at what is being done, know where to look. Space X has not IPO'd yet and has contract from governments and companies all over the world now. Exciting times.

Excerpt: "At a New York City event, Tesla Motors’ Model S was named Car of the Year by Motor Trend magazine. The selection of the Model S marked the first time a vehicle with a non-combustion engine won this prestigious award in its 63-year history. Even more amazing than the win by Tesla’s electric car is that it won by unanimous decision." http://finance.yahoo.com/news/romney-biggest-loser-scores-huge-050000067.html

Excellent article Ron, and nice blog too!

Duke I don't know either because I read a few but it seemed like fortune telling without the obligatory vision of the future. That not meant harshly, anybody can continually predict a given good or bad perspective consistently and be right once in awhile. If I say a stopped clock is always right twice a day someone will say untrue if it shows AM/PM and/or the Date. Opinions are just that. Earnings and economic charts of the major American indexes are facts not opinions. Telling me that there economy has not recovered when it has is counterintuitive. Then sidetracking with tedious reasons why on why it will soon, without acknowledging the facts is disingenuous. Jim I agree. Bully for you! It bears watching. I couldn't resist! BTW thanks a lot for the offline help understanding some of the basics of the mechanics of the ways to invest. I hadn't forgotten, they did clear up a lot.

Ok you two joust, I am so out of here. Not in fear or pretense of arrogant disdain, just that the content of the charts are fact. The emotions are unwarranted. The belief of another is not required for my balances which are not in the hundreds of thousands, maybe in a few years but not now. The reason I am out of here is my ego is not at risk, and I have no dog in a king of the hill fight. I wish everybody the best.

John, You can only cry wolf so long before you get called on it. You have been reading here for a few years right? Were you reading when I was getting lambasted for paying off my property, and at the exact same time, 2007-2009 buying shares in our funds with most of my salary as we live on our retirements. I had money coming in, more than I could spend and so I invested whike everyone elsevwas bailing, well almost at the bottom, I missed the absolute bottom because I thought it was temporary. It is when people are jumping out of Windows and the markets have crashed that I bought. I am sorry for those that panicked or bought high or got hurt. But cash to invest at the worst times is what makes for good long term investments. My funds are managed. My one stock is no diversifued or balanced. My point John, and not in anger at all, but what could I have done any better? It is easy to point to articles wrong or right that spout long theories and tediou proofs that their armageddon is coming. And the next big panic will be the final one? The end of the world has been predicted by men fearful of a vengeful God, gods and goddesses since recorded history. This is not new, just changed to the almighty markets. All the justifications of the so called experts do not change those charts. Not political big lie theory and spin, not stock prognosticators saying we were lucky just wait, no denial can change the charts, which show that we are now economically better than we were when the markets and housing and the car industries crashed. I remain respectful, but skeptical. I have been reading here for years and usually not posting. Please proceed.

Good article Ed! I have been looking at the charts too and it is funny how when you print out a five year chart they refuse to admit it is real. They make excuses and then will say Yahoo is manipulating the charts for devious political purposes. :lol: You know folks the charts don't lie. The terrible economy did take longer to recover than lesse recessions like the several panics we saw in the last five years. Predictions and charts of nit picks and political beliefs and agendas just can't overcome the truth that we have been doing very well indeed. Funny though that FUD is not automatically a self fulfilling prophecy. Since FUD makes folks back off and there is a constant barrage of FUD on threads like this and on the news, especially with media that has political agendas joining in on the big lie theory, we are doing much better and improving. The housing bubble bust and the financial sector meltdowns of 2007 took a year to become as dire as they would. Fear drives markets but no more than confidence can. Please don't read into my next comments any taking shots at folks who dropped out or idolizing folks who stayed in. Uninformed Pollyanna optimism loses as much as bitterness and cynicism. So how can I make such statements and say that I am not the rule in the ones with confidence, I am not the best experienced or informed. Don't want to be. Not involved in the fear and drama. But in order for the markets to have improved so dramatically since the greatest recession since the great depression says something indisputable. There are many great men, with great amounts of money and influence at their disposal, who have confidence and don't invest naively, nor withdraw in fear. For there to be this much improvement there are a lot of folks that, like me, believe in America, lots. How could I say such a thing? I don't. The five year charts for the NASDAQ, the DOW, and the the S&P say all that needs to be said. Here is one of my funds, if the 5 year chart does not show then just click on five year. http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; Here is the five year chart for the NASDAQ http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; Here is the DOW http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; Here is the S&P 500 http://finance.yahoo...ource=undefined; I honestly don't understand why some folks call our recovery non-existent. Maybe they watch scare FUD media with no critical eye, just watching for what fears of theirs are erroneously reinforced. IN saying that I am talking about the talking heads, the screaming 30 second investment analysts, and the long dissertations on economic theory online and off, and the day traders who will risk money on a great stock betting against it or for it, then blame the market and call our recovery not a recovery, when their high risk bets on a low risk stock cause them significant losses. Yes again I am still in. I look at the five years charts to reinforce that the hue and cry going on now is nothing but FUD. I see what has actually happened. I still am angry that the ones responsible for the troubled assets ( read criminal activity with other people's money) who went looking for relief in TARP in 2008 to keep their ill gotten gains and not serve one day in jail! Not one Wall Streeter or Banker served one Day in jail or paid any penalties. They destroyed our economy taking our money once, then in 2008 took more of our money and walk around today laughing. I may be angry at those specific individuals, but I have nothing but confidence in American business and innovation and our future. Next up should be getting the congress to enact legislation to stop their corruption and manipulation of investing with insider information. Sent Martha Stewart to jail for what they get rich doing daily.

Wow! This is the single most stunning and accurate profile of Elon Musk I have seen yet! For those still on the sidelines this is a must read if they want to invest again. For those who don't care about great person picks behind the stocks and don't care if the world stays status quo this will do nothing for ya. But for the rest, it will show what I have seen in him since the PayPal days. The times they ARE a changing! From Bloomberg Business Week: http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-13/elon-musk-the-21st-century-industrialist On edit: Sorry I originally posted the mobile version from my tablet. The above link is much better on a computer.

Thanks Sigzy.

Higher. But I am staying long on my one stock and pat on our two funds until then.

Thanks for the clarification John. I think that, as I said with no rancor, that a thread about making money today in the market will be more focused on what I want to learn a bit more about. I think I have been on this thread long enough as I have not participated except to say I am still in, and making money the whole time thus far. Money has always been easy for me, maybe because I am not ambitious or worried about it. My past investments have paid off and I am set for life. I am diversified in my holdings but that is because I am risk averse and believe in land and hard currency, in addition to select antiques and art as well as my funds and my one stock soon to be two. Nothing new here really. I am tickled at how knowing Elon will actually execute his plans pretty much on time and always has makes me look like I know something. I do. Listen to the guy making me money as far as stocks go.

You missed the humor in the statement when you said to not believe everything you read. So you were in effect saying don't believe anything you read except my writing. I pointed out the humor good naturedly and apparently that wasn't taken that way. I am sorry but that is for you to work out. I am going to another thread. I have been posting here only because that is where I started out on this. I don't know how many ways I can say I am ignorant of playing the market, and that I think all the analysts are BS. And that I don't care what they say. And to disregard anything I say, except to note if my "predictions" about Elon Musk doing what he said he would is reliable. See they aren't predictions. The plan has been laid out for years, and posted publicly on the Tesla website. I am simply parroting that back in both my posts and my investing. If you want analysis from me or me to read yours sorry. I don't know enough to give you a good challenging exchange. And don't care to. That sincerely said not in anger. Your anger is your problem, not mine. As much as this may be hard to believe, it just does not matter to me. I am fine in my world ignorant of all the market except what my investment is doing. I wish you the best in your endeavors to convince others of yours. Safe investing! (Or not)

Does that apply to your posts and links too? It sure does to mine! I declare my ignorance of playing the market in almost every post. I don't go with anybody but my own work and research. I sincerely believe that playing the market is gimmicks by and large and that those playing by the old rules are being deceived by the old deceivers who pretend to be the solid foundations of our economy and banking and investment structures. Buying and selling in the same day isn't investing to me. It is gaming no differently than the Casinos. Panics and prices are crazy because we all got a peek behind the curtain and saw who was working the levers and controls to their advantage, not ours when the big institutions failed, wailed, bailed, were never curtailed, and are back to saying the check is in the mail. I sincerely believe it is Paradigm blindness. Joel Barker in the mid 80s did a video in which he dealt out cards and proved that we all see what we expect to see based on how we believe things are supposed to work. Even when we know we are being tested and tricked. The way my Grandfather taught me the saying was believe nothing that you hear, and only half of what you see. Of course it goes back to before there was printing presses so applies to what we read too as that is hearsay of another kind. And as Joel Barker proved our perceptions in person can be manipulated as well. I don't think it is about whether your linked articles are right, or another's. At least not for me. I could care less, but I doubt them because I have read their articles in the stock market trades and they are abysmally ignorant. I am still going to do what my own experience and gut tells me to do based on research and past behaviors as a good predictor of future behaviors. Besides, while it is just money, it is important for putting a bunch of my fellow Americans to work in Fremont California, and making the US the world leader in EV technology and production. If they succeed with my help and others, I am in. I can help and make changes as part of the whole. And I don't care what party they are, or what their first language was. And I can't wait to participate in literally reaching for the stars. I don't want to manipulate money to make more. I want to build things to do it, or at least help in the financing.

Jack, I took your advice months ago and get his weekly letter. Sometimes I read , other times after a few paras I delete it. Not out of disgust but just wasn't interested in the topic. (Switching voice to any readers not Jack) You guys have to understand that I am not a fanatic about the terminology and anxieties of investing. I am not into shorting or not, have no idea what most of the terms y'all use mean, and the raw fear generated by people who have had their faith shaken by the institutions they were conditioned to trust, and can't break that conditioning and keep going back for more just is a waste of time to me. I don't much care for the new equivalent of the elevator speech or pitch which I like to think of as the balloon pitch. Just as the wizard (who wasn't) gave when he lifted off for Kansas and left Dorothy behind. "Oz: This is positively the finest exhibition ever to be shown -- well, eh...well, be that as it may, I, your Wizard, per ardua ad alta, am about to embark upon a hazardous and technically unexplainable journey into the outer stratosphere...to confer, converse, and otherwise hobnob with my brother wizards. And I hereby decree that until what time, if any, that I return the Scarecrow, by virtue of his highly superior brains, shall rule in my stead, assisted by the Tin Man, by virtue of his magnificent heart, and the Lion, by virtue of his courage. Obey them as you would me." I sincerely believe that none of us, or them, have a crystal ball that works or we would not all be discussing whose Balloon speech we like the most often. Jack my contention is that I am perhaps at the advantage because of the very fact that I have no past "experience" bogging me down in my first foray into buying stock directly. Instead of trying to game the system and take advantage of the many insider info tips that do not seem to work for anybody in this thread I chose to approach it as an investment in a man at the helm and a company who has a product that I believe in, and who brought the original Tesla Roadster to Market choosing to build a supercar that 90% still haven't been able to wrap their conditioned minds around. Making cars does not have to start with mass production of a consumer priced vehicle. I still hear "It's too expensive" Is a Ferrari too expensive for their market? Do they stay in biz with a niche market and do not even try to sell to the masses? How about the Hummer, the real one? It costs roughly twice what the Model S will cost! I believed in a company that first did the supposedly impossible and made not only an all electric car in the super car class, but one that beat the million dollar ones, and cost less than the entry level super car the Porsche 911. They did that in 2008 and were a full production vehicle and most didn't even get it then. Most folks were unaware of their success in production two years before they went public. (2008 Roadster in production - 2010 IPO) I still can't get folks to understand that it is not a new concept and has been in production and improving since 2008 with all of the first year production presold in the roadster. Their new car, the Model S, is starting deliveries of prepaid cars the day after tomorrow. In other words, this is not an unproven company. They went IPO when they needed to raise capital because they needed to buy and refit the Fremont factory from Toyota and gear up production. Everyone is still saying things like they can't do it, unable to read what they do not want to believe. Heck Elon still owns Space X outright pretty much. It won't go IPO until next year. Do we see a trend here? I do. Unlike those who bring a concept and a hope to the table, PayPal his first company was only sold after it was a success. Tesla only went IPO after it was successful and brought the roadster to market. They didn't IPO until after two years of successfully selling the Roadster globally. Space X made history with its launch and successful first private company to get NASA contracts and now global contracts to launch better an d cheaper than the other big boys. Elon Musk is a rocket scientist. He has already shown his behaviors. He takes a concept and does it on his own or with a couple of friends and only after it is a success does he move on. Otherwise if it was all only about money, he would have declared Space X to IPO as quickly as Facebook did except it likely would not be a disaster. Tesla is in no danger of either being sold or failing at least until he finishes his current list of to dos including next year's launch of the Model X and then the consumer car after that. Space X is in no danger of going IPO prematurely because then it won't have a string of successes behind it as it will by following his plan. In other words I don't play the market. I invested in a man and a proven company that already did what they said they would as soon as he let us in. I have already decided to take only half off the table, if any, and go long with them for the rest if not all of it. You see I have no place to put it except back in the bank at no earnings but about $108.00 per thousand dollars of my money I let them use. I have never but once since I invested seen it go as low as my first block price, and only dipped to my second block price twice in two years. Since the Model S debuts in two days it has gone up 5 dollars in five days. I do hope that someone took my prediction and the circumstances under consideration and made some short term gains. It will drop in the next six months as the claims it is not in the black yet are bandied about. When in fact they have already told everybody they will be in the black in 2013 clearly. Anyway, I invest in a company, I don't play the market as I do not know how. I try to buy low and sell high not the other way around in a panic. I might even at the last second sell it all and buy in again in six months perhaps even lower than my second block cost for half of my gains. Comments appreciated on that idea Jack. Anyway, my way, despite all the rules I am breaking that others say are necessary to making some money, is working so far for me. And please don't call it luck anybody (not you Jack) as the long term members here have seen me writing about Tesla for about 8 years now and even more so since 2008 when they brought out their Roadster that I could not afford. Knowing a man and a company is not luck. Especially when I persisted when all the others said I was foolish and it would never come to market, then it did. Then that no one would buy it and the first two years were sold out and paid in full in advance. And now that they will not be able to sell the average 200 miles per charge High performance 7 seater, high tech model S luxury Sedan to the public who have already made down payments on the first years production once again. And now the falsehood that Tesla has to sell to everybody. No they only need to sell whatever their maximum factory capacity is. I believe that it will be past 40 by Friday. 38 at least by next week. If all anybody read was the trade stock market people they would only get a buy solid and maybe one fact or a run for the hills it is a loser! Motley Fool has been flip flopping to both extremes since it IPO'd! Sorry, I am so excited!!!!! :D :D

Wow Ed, That guy is seriously out to lunch. But I now see why it is hard to stay on track rather than following fears or being incapable of changing in light of new information that changed the game. I am sure the last maker of buggy whips was the best. But buggy whips were obsolete and irrelevant with the new fact of the automobile.

Thanks guys! I knew what was going to happen until this week. Now I am not entirely sure what will happen beyond Friday. More and more I am leaning towards taking half off the table and staying long on the rest. I don't have any other place to put cash that is worth putting it. I am sure everyone else does, but I am talking about anything I know, like I followed Tesla years before they went public. It is late and I am bushed. Hope all had a great Father's day. We did here.

Tesla should begin delivering the new model S this Friday. The final week is here and I am having difficulty deciding whether to let it all ride, take half off the table at 38, or taking it all off the table. I am not asking for advice. Several here are following this and some are even in it with me. It is my feeling that since others in the biz say it is a buy that it will be volatile this week especially if they are one day late. I think that buying now will yield a few bucks by the end of the week in profit but remember I am a complete beginner and do not claim to know what I am talking about with Stocks, I just followed this one and the owner from back in the Pay Pal day. Many of you may have watched the historic docking of a commercial capsule launched by a private company succeeding and ushering in a new era of private enterprise space launches and exploration. That company, Space X, is also owned by Elon Musk, the one behind Pay Pal and Tesla. It ios expected that he will bring that company to IPO next year. I will be there too. I hope all have a great week,! (I hope I do too! ) http://www.thestreet.com/story/11584954/1/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-todays-featured-automotive-winner.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO http://www.thestreet.com/story/11584954/1/tesla-motors-inc-tsla-todays-featured-automotive-winner.html?puc=yahoo&cm_ven=YAHOO http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2012/06/15/this-weeks-5-smartest-stock-moves.aspx Safe investing!

Ron, There's no dog in a fight from here. Peterson is predictably predictable and the follow on comments and repartee is more enlightening, as usual, than his narrow views. My like of EVs has nothing to do with the investment. Just like my like of space exploration does not make me an automatic candidate to invest in SpaceX. But I will. The argument for Tesla as an investment is simple. After they said it could not be done and Tesla debuted the Roadster on time in 2008 as a competitor in the super car class, all everybody said was that it was too expensive for the average man. It was a sexy super car class vehicle that was cheaper then the lowest priced sold in the class of supercars, the 911 from Porsche. Lamborghini's and Ferrari's are also more expensive than the average buyer can afford. And they are still in biz producing how many cars per year? Tesla does not need to sell to average Joe anywhere. If they sell 20k cars a year they will be fine and in the black. That may or may not include the Mercedes badged and Toyota badged Tesla drive trains. Why does everybody want them to be GM or to produce enough cheap cars to supply the world? We already have those burning oil and gases. So the price of oil is going down now because the oil investors that run the big hedge funds anticipate less demand so the price is artificial, we knew that. Tesla has nothing to do with it because the big oil manipulators have learned that regardless of Joe average saying the he will park his car if gas ever goes above ( Insert the whole string in your lifetime from the lips of your parents to yours recently $.50, $1.00, 1.50, and when people said over $2.50 then if it ever goes over 3 bucks) and then kept driving and buying it. So the argument that there is no place for EVs because everybody cannot afford them would be like saying the same thing about RVs. Sure some will go out of business. Look who owns Austin and Jaguar now. But I doubt Tesla or the other Supercar makers will go away. Tesla does not have to sell everybody, or even a large percentage to succeed. My goodness if you apply that same standard to one car company they sure could not supply everybody if all the competitors went out of business. Elon Musk has no illusions about that either. The question is are there enough people that want an EV to support them and I think the answer is yes. People whop say no or we will see are badly ignorant because the entire first year's production is spoken for and cash deposits paid in advance for every 2012 model Tesla Model S. Remember they are selling worldwide not just in the US. Tesla does not have to sell Peterson a car. Talk to the folks who own them, read the blogs on their website and then read about how the owners felt about the early EV1 from GM. The word was out to keep them from getting a launch with SpaceX too. I say don't worry, let the folks who want them buy them. They already put their down payments on their cars on order. I doubt you can talk them out of it. The world economy? If they have the money now they aren't making much keeping it in the banks, and many don't want to invest now, so using that cash today is attractive to many. Just like RVing is not for everybody. In a few years we will see won't we? I am buying a 40 mpg gas car as it is a better way to use my money, like investing in Tesla is for me. Again not for everybody.

:lol: I got a charge out of your post! But I wasn't shocked by it. Smitty, No problem! I can say the only reason I stayed in in full and resisted the urge to sell half for the high of 38, again I gave hung in there for 7 or 8 of these cycles with Tesla and I am thinking it is a good risk that they will spike again in the next few weeks. Your position makes as much sense as mine does to you. I am in my mind taking a calculated risk as I could sell at 28.15 where is it is today and make the difference between half my shares at 22.5 and half at 17.5. That would be nothing to sneeze at either. However since I have been passing along what I have done and am going to do with this stock, I just wanted to let all know that the end of what I predicted correctly, minus exact timing, ans come to pass, is almost at an end. My vision ends when Tesla starts delivering their cars. All along I was saying that was the hard decision point. And it is. Barring an inability to deliver the Model S on time, (this Month) which I doubt will happen regardless of the world markets, I then have to decide, likely next week, whether to sell half/keep half, sell it all, or hold it all. I also wanted for everybody to connect the dots between SpaceX, Tesla, Pay Pal, and the owner of all three before IPO of Tesla, and sale of Pay Pal, Elon Musk. And be aware of all that when SpaceX goes to IPO in the next year or two. Few people have this much insight into the past and minds of the owners and results of the companies they invest in, as we do now for this next Musk company IPO. Whether anybody Buys it, stays away, or stays out of the markets because they are still too volatile, all will know SpaceX here regardless. I am glad I did not wait for it first. I expect to have more to invest in it when they are ready. Will they continue this year with Tesla? Don't forget that unlike the other car companies, this whole first year of production is already sold and deposits in hand for every one of them. The next year is a no brainer if they show they can produce the 20k cars they say they can and I think that is also almost a sure thing. Good luck everybody and I hope you are wishing me the same. I will need it!

Two pieces of news. First off Space X (Space Exploration) launched their Falcon rocket and Dragon capsule to the ISS successfully and made history in the process. Even though Boeing and Lockheed fought them with their lobbyists inside the beltway and said that no company could design, build and test a reliable launch vehicle in the short time frame Space X said they would, Space X did anyway. I put this here because it is related to my past posts and those who have paid attention already know how it does. Firstly like Tesla they did what all the naysayers with different interests said could not be done (hoped anyway.) Secondly like Tesla they actually delivered on time with no giant increases in costs. And in both cases Space X and Tesla both did very expensive vehicles and made them better faster, and cheaper than their counterparts in Rockets and super cars. The owner of Space X will be taking it to IPO sometime in the near future. I would watch for it. The reason I think that these companies will succeed is that they take a similar approach to Lockheed's Skunkworks of the 50's which produced the C-130 and the SR-71 in under a year each and both are still flying daily or flyable and retired. They were modeled after Bell Labs and fostered the kind of free thinking not corporate red tape laden engineering and fun for the engineers at work that they made great leaps without CEOS getting in the way or greedy corps. Very much like the best companies from Silicon valley where the dress code is hoodies and T-shirts because the important thing isn't appearance but substance. They have a lot in common with Pay Pal too, a silicon valley company, as well in both management style and value through substance. The news on Tesla is that it along with many others is down and with the worldwide panic may get down to my buy point of 22.5 briefly again. Briefly you say? You bet! See the Model S begins deliveries in the next two to four weeks and once they show they delivered again. As they did when they delivered the first roadsters in 2008 when no one thought a performance all electric super car for less than the lowest priced real super car was priced could even be done poorly, let alone successfully with all the first year sold out in advance and all of the cars paid for, up front, in full. Remember that I am the least experienced person here in investing directly in the stock market. Here is my call with no confidence in the timing only that I believe that these events actually are about to happen. They could take a month or a week, but near term, here is what is going to go down. The stock will follow the decline of the market creating a buy opportunity. Then the first Model S will be delivered and many previous investors realizing that the other stocks etc. are not a hedge against high fuel prices and that there are no havens that will make a profit will possibly jump into or back into Tesla. But regardless, Elon and his company will continue to produce them ad reap economies of scale, eventually producing the elusive family car at family car prices. I do not doubt he will get there. So I expect the stock to be volatile and provide a buy price and sell price in the next few weeks. Timing it? Well don't look to me for that. I should have sold half and took my principal back at 38 but did not. But watch and see if the events don't happen exactly as I posted back almost two years ago in 2010 when I first bought on their IPO. Granted he could die or get in an accident and not be able to lead. But then again I could too! For those who missed it, Elon Musk who owns Tesla, also invented with two friends and sold Pay Pal, and also owns Space X outright pretty much and is a rocket scientist de facto. Not for everybody but like they always say, and folks have difficulty doing, I choose to buy low and sell high. I may lose but not from fear. From miscalculating a product and the demand. But I have not done that often. Happy investing folks, it has become one heckuva buyer's market. It won't last which is good news for some and bad news for others. See even seller's markets never last either. It is a cycle. And it is time for Elon Musk like companies to take over and actually make things happen instead of reaping with no sowing, as the leaders of our industries are doing now. If I were a paranoid I would think that the world recession and lower oil prices are manipulated by big interests to try to deflect Tesla and bring it down. They can't. The genie is out of the bottle. We won't need much oil, sooner than even they think. Watch. It is just part of the cycle. All we have to do is invest wisely. BTW declining fuel prices to even 2.90 aren't going to stop the EVs from taking over the market. To do that the markets for oil would have to deliver sub dollar a gallon gas again and Diesel cheaper than gas as it should be. Did you know that a peppy small diesel in cars would double the mileage we expect from each size now except the smallest and maybe those too? Why only the VW TDI diesel in the US today? Why isn't the Smart Car diesel here and only in Canada. It is volatile and that is when the most money can be made or lost. Up to us if we can.

Hi John, Just read that. Sorry the oasis is fine, I missed a sell then re-buy lower opportunity and am still up ten bucks a share. Good time to buy back for those that got out for a better price and a profit taking. I don't expect any real losses for those of us in from start, until after the Model S debut, if ever. I don't read the bad news posts and don't read the good news ones because I have come to the conclusion that the writers, like all, have a target audience who eats all they serve, and each is specific. I also don't read the positive ones as they are the same. I do not read any of them, as I am focused on this one stock IPO to date. I will also participate in any IPO he has for his Space X company if ever. I think perhaps you mistake me for a stock person of whatever title you want to add to that. I am not anything other than an investor in a specific person and company. I am not a trader, nor an advisor. Nor think anybody should or should not follow me. I don't read any links of the bombasts that are published with their if it bleeds it leads approaches. And today, most take that from either perspective, stay or get in the market, or get out or don't get in now.

John, I don't have any warns and also did not report any of your, or anybody else's posts. If I have an issue I will say it directly and as I have found most folks are reasonable and respond in kind. If it is intrusive and made to me I object to the content not the person. If all I can think of is a personal slur, then I hold my water, as my momma taught me if I don't have anything nice to say, to keep quiet, and wait till I am armed! :lol: John, I don't think you are doing anything but missing the fun even if you were right. For example I almost did as one here suggested in email and take half of mine off the table when it gets high and I almost did that last week. Well then a 4% holder in Abu Dahbi sold their shares and took their profits. This shook the already shaky folks and really made me mad at myself for staying pat. Not because I lost a possible 5 dollar profit over today and then buy back the same number of stock shares, or as I would have done, plowed them back into TSLA of more shares as we come up to Model S debut. Now if anybody wants to play as I have said many times and only a couple have listened, I see no reason it will not go to 38 plus on or up to the debut of the Model S later this summer. So today it is down to 33 plus. So have I lost? Nope, just shaky people losing themselves, or taking less profit than will occur if it goes back to 38 or more. I expect 38 but again if it comes long before the Model S, I will, Like the Abu Dhabi investors did, sell high and hope all panic as they did in this case. I have repeatedly said I am no expert on this. But my opinion is it won't lose and will go to at least 38 by the time the Model S debuts or more. Am I alone in this opinion. Nope, Forbes wrote about it today too: http://www.forbes.co...rtner=yahoofeed This is fun actually. And John I think you are wrong in this way. If we were sitting at an oasis in the desert and I was drinking from the spring and you said it was dry and refused to try to drink, because you have the background and training in spring science, and since you and all the experts you find to agree and you read say it is dry, then it must be and I am mistaken, then you will have proven yourself right as you die of thirst. And I will have drunk deeply. You cannot convince people making money that they are losing money. That's a fact, Jack!