CrazyCooter

Thanks man! Joe gave me the boxes with the truck purchase. I have been shopping/searching for door kits for the rear boxes as they will have to be custom for what I have in mind.

Been a while since at update, but up till now there has not been much to share. We decided to just go for an update on the paint as the cost of a complete paint job was just not in the cards right now for this 17 year old truck. The hood and side fairings were in real bad shape since pulling out of indoor storage last year and the doors you could see the original lettering, so these are what we had painted. Changed the visor and lower color to a charcoal metallic and the shop was able to blend in to the older slightly faded light blue color. Now she looks goot from 5 feet away instead of across the freeway...... Thinking now the bed might need to change a darker charcoal color when I get back to working on it? Gotta get back on polishing that bumper too!

Never heard from Lippert, but Etrailer stepped up and sent a truck to pick the hitch up. I got a full refund, so nothing out of pocket on this deal except my time and agrivation! I can recommend future purchases from Etrailer without hesitation with the way they handled this whole deal. Wish it were possible to never own a Lippert product again....... Pulled 850 miles last weekend with the Morryde and the ride and handling was much better! Also got my Gearmaster back from Kent Monday. Looks like he sent me another unit along with $10 to cover my shipping to him. I have taken 2 trips since it's been out and don't need it anymore, but Tracie probably wouldn't drive at all if I didn't re-install.

Another call to Lippert yesterday since they never returned my call from earlier in the week....The call went strait to voicemail! Great customer service....... Luckily the rep from E-trailer followed up with Lippert so maybe we will be moving forward. They say that movement is not right and wanted a few more pics of the gaps. Filled the truck up as fuel is on the rise here and calculated 7.55mpg for the entire 2500 mile trip. I think that's pretty good considering the speeds we were traveling, headwinds, and that the Dodge only gets mid 6's on the same trip. Heading down to AZ in the spring where we will be limited to 55-60 mph most of the trip and hoping for 8.5-10 mpg? Got approval to send off the Gearmaster for repair/replacement. Hoping that will be an easy fix!

There is no steel stop on the pivot, it's on a rubber block. The fit is too loose though. I hear ya about the time pushing this issue with Lippert. I feel the design will work IF it wasn't so loose. Many people are happy with their Rotaflex boxes, so why would this be any different? I have one tow with this box and I want it fixed of or a refund.....I don't think that's unreasonable. The point here is that I spent money on a product and it is clearly defective..... Why would I weld or otherwise modify it to lock out it's function when I shouldn't have to? I paid for this anti chucking feature,and I want it to work! I know welding the pivot solid will fix the looseness. How many others are being sold with the same problem? Pretty obvious that the welding distorted the lower jaw......what are the chances that the robots are cranking out 1000's a day just like it?

You guys probably need an update for Quicktime. The video format is mp4. Have a call in to Lippert tech support, no answer on the phone but left a message. Have not received a call back....surprise there huh?

About 170-180 miles North of of you.

It looks pretty funky even on a large monitor! Lots going on there...... Not looking forward to arguing this with people who won't want to hear it......

Every 5th hitch I have seen rocks at the base front/rear and this one rock side/side a few degrees too. All the commercial hitches I have seen rock front/back too.

The B&W has worked fine for the past 4 years. It works perfectly with the rigid and Morryde pinboxes. It has to rock or it will tear everything up with elevation changes of truck/trailer. Here is an in bed video I took to see how much things flexed with the old 18K B&W base in my pickup:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95jhJ8_kd_c The problem with the current setup is with the sloppy lower jaw of the Trailair Flexair. There is either too much clearance between the pivot bolt and the lower jaw, so the rubber block isn't being pre-loaded with any squish. Here is yet another defect and part of the issue....after looking at the wear pattern on my new hitch: I took another look at the lower jaw...not very flat it it? It's only contacting on a 5-6" circle and eating the powdercoating off. Something I have not seen on my 4 year old hitch head. http://vid293.photobucket.com/albums/mm58/crzyctr/20151004_124608_zpsfiyxh8zo.mp4

No air hitch on the Pete and no plans for one at this time. Using the B&W platform as I need to be able to remove the hitch with ease for other uses. Cant justify the cost for something I'm not sure we will be using in the future. May be going in a different direction.

If it's defective, it shouldn't cost me anything but my time to swap it out IF the company stands behind the product. I'm not going to modify the defective hitch I just bought, to lock out the function. This thing has been a pos from the beginning and needs to be returned so they can scrap it.

Hard to understand huh?

The air ride hitch was already in the works for my pickup as the ride on the concrete highways was horrible. I have not ridden in the 5er, but I suspect the ride behind the Pete is better since it has larger airbags that run at lower pressures and the hitch mounted to the rear of the axle. I never have been one to follow the popular kids just because. I have the skills to usually make things work better. In this case I was lazy in trusting that Lippert had done all the legwork for us. The expense is only one equation to this. I figured both trucks would be covered this way and if I swap out this cheesy Flexair head for the standard we should be good. We'll see how it goes.....this has to be a defect in the design or execution.

No kidding! I think it would work fine if the distance from the pivot bolt was tightened up or the rubber pad was a tad thicker. Bought it from ETrailer which was a saga in itself from the beginning. They gave me bad measurements of the unit first. They couldn't find the hitch they sold me, then more delays in shipping........ Then remember it didn't just bolt on? Now this! Paid with Paypal, but hoping this will be an easy deal to work out. I think the biggest issue is the freight costs involved in returning it. I'd like to graft my Morryde rubber pin onto the air upper!

Yes this is the "new improved updated" version from the triglide that most hated. If I can get a refund on this one, I'll just get the standard air ride pin like yours. I thought I was doing a good thing be getting the 5er more isolated from the HDT......

I knew something was not right when I can feel an unloaded 14K 5er bump the 21k truck on the way out. The fun was when we loaded the garage with 2-3K of stuff on the ride home. This video was taken after I unloaded the 5er this morning and it felt much worse than it did when I left. I moved the 5er from home to the shop and back a couple of times before leaving for Wyoming so I had a feel for it. Thank you Atlas oscillating air seats! Despite the extreme chucking, we still walked to the trailer without assistance at the rest stop after 850 miles!

I had to move the 5er in the backyard and move some stuff this morning, so I had the wife shoot a video since the issue was obvious. There is no need to set up a video on the road.......and here is the money shot: http://vid293.photobucket.com/albums/mm58/crzyctr/20151003_110058_zpst3g5rwfv.mp4 This POS needs to go strait to the garbage can! I hope it's defective cause there's no way an engineer would design it this way!? WOnder how long my new B&W would last with all that monkey motion going on back there? No wonder the rubber pads were spit out of the base mount when I got home......

Indeed! With every bump I have been expecting the whole front end to snap off for the past 4 years! 2500 miles last week and the box didn't move at all. Depending on how this whole Trailair thing goes, I may end up with the shorter unit again and give up on the Jeep until we decide what the next trailer will be.

Check this video out: http://vid293.photobucket.com/albums/mm58/crzyctr/20150928_184901_zpsz7ev4xir.mp4 Care to guess what it looks like traveling down the road with 18K of trailer hooked to 20k+ of truck?

Yep, it looks pretty good from 20' away! Moving down the list to paint and what to do with it....... Repaint like it is for more character or just paint it all white for better looks with any color RV we might end up with in the future. The clear is peeling off at an alarming rate now that is it being stored outside and getting washed. I would not have tried that method to disconnect and move in this particular place with the scary grade we were parked on, but on a more flat surface sure! The thought crossed my mind to charge the tanks with the 120v compressor that usually lives in the front cabinet of the 5er, but I left home thinking I wouldn't need it since the trick has air......... I will be adding to the roadside "Kit" for sure! I have belts, hose clamps, fluids, etc. A governor and fuel filters will be added to the box for sure. Not sure why I didn't have filters for this truck anyway.....I always carried them for the pickup.

Well that's a bummer! Sometimes these things happen though......

Yep,it's set to the arrow ride height on the shock. It ran a little low the first day and I added a little air to get it perfect for the rest of the ride there. We then loaded the garage for the ride home, so I had to drop the pressure a bit. I agree there "shouldn't" be any play, but I can move the lower jaw by hand before the rubber pad cushions it. Thinking that will only get more when the forces of towing come into play.....could be litterally inches! Mechanically everything is tight. Ill get the camera on it and a call to Lippert depending on what is seen. I pulled it a little bit with the pickup and wasn't impressed in the few miles home from the shop, but wrote it off to the trailer always chucking a bit unloaded. Have a look at the design of this box. They have added another feature to the lower jaw that I'm assuming yours doesn't have. https://www.etrailer.com/Fifth-Wheel-King-Pin/Lippert-Components/LC328492.html

It is look nose high in the pic, but the parking lot is a pretty good downhill grade that makes both the hitch airbag unload and the truck's suspension lift with the parking brake set.

I have the new Trailair Flexair pinbox with a rigid hitch on the truck. The trailer ride seems fine as it always had other than when shifting gears or turning off the jake it feels like the trailer hits me from behind. Didn't have that with the Morryde box. I'm envisioning the lower jaw pivot flopping front/back like it's too loose.