FBO Cookie Monster

For geeks, the cool way to go is a tesla battery module.

https://www.ebay.com/i/142839800943?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=142839800943&targetid=475515373381&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1022808&poi=&campaignid=6469981122&mkgroupid=79220336802&rlsatarget=pla-475515373381&abcId=1141176&merchantid=138362550&gclid=CjwKCAjw5fzrBRASEiwAD2OSV7ALU0PQrlMjKfCBxTn7UuLSzMEbvYSJ7igz2XlchqgzBuv189GLChoCud0QAvD_BwE

Equivalent to more than 4 battleborns, or 8 200 amp golf cart batteries. Only weighs 60 pounds or so. Not for everybody, they require additional electronics to make usable,  but you certainly will not need to run the generator everyday. But huge power in a small form factor. Tom here does an excellent intro to it.

4 hours ago, BigDinAZ said:

The trailer has a GVWR of 8880 lbs. 20% of that is 1,776 lbs. The payload on the truck is 2,499 lbs minus 1,776 leaves 723 lbs payload, minus 100 lbs for AUH is 623 lbs payload left.

A gallon of Diesel weighs 7.189 lbs so 30 gallons would be 215 lbs leaving 408 lbs. Then take away you, the wife, snacks drinks etc you are right at the max.

There are those who say meh it's fine, don't worry about it those numbers don't mean anything.

Then there are guys like me who have seen those other guys in the ditch. I have seen lots of trailers in accidents. Personally I don't like to max anything out. By the numbers you are right there, and by the numbers it should be okay, that's your call as to weather or not you are comfortable. Me I would not feel comfortable, but that's just me.

Personally with my set up, I still have over a ton of free payload, after I am maxed out on trailer weight, me, wife, fuel and all that jazz, I am couple tons under GCWR, and way, way under tow rating, and I also do a lot of one handed driving with the cruise control set, the AC on and the tunes playing. I sit nice and level, and I hardly know that 11,000 lb trailer is back there. But that's just me.

Oh and I actually have more free payload room because I don't load my trailer to the Max either, that's just based on the GVWR of the trailer.

Remember, those are all only calculated numbers, you will never really know until you put it all on a scale.

Just my .02

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Couple things. The payload is calculated with a full load of fuel.

Would be hard pressed to get hitch more than 1500 or 1600 tops. The trailer has the axles farther forward. If I get it, I will scale it.

Edit: Diesel? I’m in an eco boost!

There is a lot of btu’s locked up in a gallon of propane. An electric fridge can use up to 1.5 kwatthours a day, maybe more. One battleborne lithium battery can output 1.2 kilowatts, equivalent to two 6 volt golf cart batteries essentially. Boondocks would mean a huge solar or extended genset run times.

On 9/9/2019 at 11:26 AM, BigDinAZ said:

I had an after thought on this.

I went to Winnebago's web page and the lightest GVWR Minnie Plus 25RKS is 9,995lbs. 20%of that is 1,999lbs, which leaves about 500lbs payload.

Now figure in the hitch, and that's another 100 lbs, leaving about 400lbs, now you and the wife, and fuel, you are going to be maxing out, if not over payload.

What about the Micro Mini fifth wheel?

GVWR is 7,000lbs giving a pin weight of about 1,540lbs leaving just under 1,000lbs.

You are still going to be close, but most likely under.

Maybe you could get a pull trailer?

So far, not really interested in a trailer. I like the total length of this thing. 

The GVWR of my truck is 7800 lbs. 

I have a pic of the trailers sticker, I *wish* it went to 9995 lbs. it does not, only 8800 lbs, leaving a ccc 1600 lbs.  Their math is fuzzy. It has 5100 lb axles installed. Maybe the frame can’t take the weight? If I can figure out how to reduce pixles on this ipad I’ll post that pic.

Anyways, I plan on the B&W flip ball, or their competitor. That, with an AUH should weigh less than 100lbs. 1400 lbs on the pin leaves 1000 lbs for me, my wife, and my dog. Heck, maybe enough for 2200 watt Honda!

GCWR is over 17,000 lbs, Rear axle 4800. Looks ok on all of those. Fuel is included btw, for payload. Just not total gcw.

I’m at the low end of the food chain, with an F150, with the payload package. Crew Cab, 2500 lb payload. I knew when I bought it that I would be very limited with fifth wheel selections, and did the math before hand. We don’t need or want anything over 30’, but there are not many that fit the bill. Looking real hard at the Minnie Plus, 25’. It has an advertised dry pin of 820 lbs, so if that creeps up to 1400 or so, I’m good with that. Planning on the AUH hitch, and attach it to the truck with a gooseball. 

Since 99% of my driving is not towing, this made the most sense. The 250 diesel has a payload at least 400 lbs less, although many would argue that it would still be better even going over the limits. Maybe. But I am not one to knowingly go over the limits. 

Other contender on the horizon are the jayco 25.5, with an advertised empty hitch of 1300 lbs. I like the Jayco a little better, but loaded for bear will be right at max payload by my estimate. I refuse to get a fifth wheel built with a laminated floor system, I’ve seen what a little water damage can do to them in very short order. So 5/8 plywood for me. That makes the available contenders list exceedingly short.