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I've been using AVAST for several years now and it has served me well. Has anyone else used it...( the free version ).

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I use Avast free on my Android tablet and Android smartphone. It hasn't caught anything and neither have my machines. So far so good. I use Windows Defender on my Win 8 systems, MSE on my one Win 7 and one XP3 systems. No infections in years. All systems are kept up to date on Win Updates and all third party software on my machines. Nary a problem there either.

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I use AVG on my Personal PCs, the free version. I use AVG business edition on the 'work' PCs and server.

 

I can't count the number of times I have had to uninstall Norton or McAfee to "fix" a PC. I usually follow the uninstall up with a install of AVG. It uses very little system resources, and It catches some things the other two never did (mostly spamware-related junk).

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PCMag just did a review of the major A/V and Malware protections: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388652,00.asp

 

In general, I agree... except for Norton, McAfee and Kaspersky.... I just don't go there anymore.

 

Remember, what is great today may not be so great next month/year... (eg. Norton's and McAfee). I used to use AVG but as a PC wrench, I always needed to stay up to date on such things and in the process of "fixing" a lot of other people's machines that became contaminated I became more concerned about the collateral damages that many of these "fixers" caused the hosting machines.

 

In the end, I settled down to Avast and AVG. They go on easy, don't consume a lot of system resources to do what they do and can be successfully removed without having to resort to the ultimate removal tool.... FDISK / Format.

 

Microsoft Essentials has seemed to catch all the stuff that may rarely get to my system but I have seen many times that system performance has been hurt by 50% or more due to MSE operations (according to the Task Manager performance tool).

 

If an infection does occur and whatever I have running does not kill it AND successfully remove it, I immediately go to MalWareBytes for the best removal with the least risk and trouble. In some cases, detecting an invasion does not automatically mean that it has been killed or removed, too and in a few cases, it took 2 or more runs of the removal processes to actually get rid of the infection.

 

There is no advantage to having a 100% protection rate if 100% of the time the protection software degrades your system's performance and interferes with the installation / removal of other software and drivers (ie. Norton's, McAfee, Kaspersky).

 

My first choice on WIndows 8 is just let MSE do its thing. If you find that you are still picking up vermin, set up limited and strongly protected non-administratively enabled users for others that use your machine and for heaven's sake, quit pulling executables from usenet and stop visiting porn sites!

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I think Avast is best in breed now for a free security program, but it is a bit more noisy than MSE, but almost as Quiet. I actually went back to MSE on my two remaining Windows 7 computers because I am using Windows Defender on my Windows 8 machines. Use Avast for awhile and you'll love it. I did. The only real reason is that soon I will have no Windows 7 machines. The oldest is getting sold, and my Lenovo has two drives, one with 7, the other with 8 Pro and media center. My SH has just admitted she is good with 8 after mastering her Surface RT tablet. So in a few months I will update hers again to 8 and save her settings and data. It worked fine last time but now she can navigate 8 without needing Classic Shell. She can use the new hidden start (charms bar,) and can click desktop when needed. Even she is only holding out because she does not want to have her desktop out for two to three days while I double check all drivers and programs.

 

Budd,

I know that some certain XP machines with a certain hardware set did indeed have memory leak issues with MSE at first. I had all XP machines and experienced none of that, and whatever it was was fixed early 2012 with the release of version 2. Percent of resources used is adjustable, and if set for high still only uses a bit then throttles up when not in use. I have seen the lightest resource usage in MSE, and Avast about the same, a bit more in scanning. Could you perhaps tell me what machines and systems you experienced the resource hogging with using MSE?

 

I just got through redoing a regularly contaminated machine. I charge three hours if I have to reimage it with a year old image and do all the Windows and program updates. I have not used fdisk and format since early XP days. Now for a clean wipe after saving data I use the factory restore disks or recovery partition, or order restore disks if not possible to make from the machine. I select format and restore to factory. See, some computers need the programs that shipped. Next year when XP support ends, I will stop servicing XP AND Vista. Just doing Windows 7 & 8. Why? Because my minimum charge for a data save is high enough for me to make Windows 7 & 8 images for each, and then for my regulars just charge for reimaging. I am retired, and do turn down business. I pick and choose now. Once more I am getting too busy and refusing all but a few customers.

 

I prefer to teach on the first one rather than charge sixty bucks over and over because those folks also will have old stuff that will fail mechanically and blame the tech. Formatting and loading Windows on an overheated laptop from dirt and pet hair lodged inside is hard on old poorly maintained machines.

 

I have learned that no matter what anti malware I put on customer computers, when the programs asks them if they really want to open a possibly dangerous file, attachment, or website, they will over-rude it every time and get infected.

 

And no matter which I have on mine, I don't, or see it happening and stop it and clean it.

 

I still insist that antimalware is the third line of defense after keeping Windows and other software like pdf 3eqdwrs et al as first line, and user awareness an practices second.

 

No software can prevent infection by the user.

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Yep.. sounds just like my philosophy before I quit working on PCs for others. Yes, one can fix anything but stupid or stubborn.

 

I have not accepted any work before Vista for several years and counting. They eat my lunch everytime I crack open a case, no matter what the real "end" problem turns out to be.

 

I make sure my own stuff is protected and count on a clean restart if anything ever got infected more than MSE can fix... or maybe MalWareBytes. It is just not worth the overall headache of "now what caused that to not install?". I try a lot of software and a little hardware from time to time and rarely is it anything that has a fully supported Microsoft secured driver so not getting my feet tangled in the entrails of the system when installing such things is a priority for me, now. For others, not so much I am sure.

 

The cases I have seen MSE Defender hogging CPU have been very random but persistent. We are wifi bound at 802.11b with caps of 750kbps down up to 300mb. In an 80 site RV park this is almost criminal negligence these days. The ISP is BellSouth and the feed is shared with 2 huge outlet malls 2 blocks away and you can really tell when they open their stores and start working.

 

Somehow, I suspect that MSE is overworking a lot of the timeouts and reconnects because I don't see this happening when the connectivity is smoother. I never saw Avast do this sort of thing so I may go back to it, eventually. Have not had it on my Win 8 OS so far. just too busy and overloaded due to poor Internet connectivty for the last 18 months.

 

I know, whine, whine, whine!!!!!

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Budd,

Windows defender is already on Windows 8. It is the same engine used for MSE and their enterprise antimalware product Forefront. You don't want to run MSE on 8. Defender takes better advantage of the secure boot and other security improvements on 8.

 

The new Defender is not the same as the old defender. They recycled the name for the new antimalware program.

 

I make weekly system images using Windows 7 create a system image and make the repair disk. I have restored images many times with no problems like Acronis and Ghost before that caused. I use Macrium reflect for pre Windows 7 versions. It is free and quite easy to use.

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Umm. Good to know, Derek. Thanks.

 

I guess I was being a bit vague in saying MSE but I did not install that, specifically. I have just been using the Built in WIndows Defender in 8, as you suggest. That is what I have seen occasionally grabbing CPU cycles for long (minutes to half hours) periods.

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Windows defender is already on Windows 8. It is the same engine used for MSE and their enterprise antimalware product Forefront. You don't want to run MSE on 8. Defender takes better advantage of the secure boot and other security improvements on 8.

 

The new Defender is not the same as the old defender. They recycled the name for the new antimalware program.

 

That's really interesting especially since my new Dell with Windows 8 came with a one-year Kaspersky pre-installed. I guess the anti-malware companies are hanging in there trying to avoid extinction if this new Defender does everything they do and is free. At least with MSE people had to make the conscious choice to download it, so most wouldn't. If it's already embedded in Windows then it will become the default option and the vendors will lose lots of business.

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I agree that it is odd. But remember that in your case, Dell gets paid by Kaspersky to pre-load that trial. Go to "search" in the "charms" bar and enter "Windows Defender." You will find it there. Or you can go to "start" by pressing the windows key, then right click in a blank spot and a new bar will come up on the bottom that says all apps. Left click on that and it changes the view from the start page, to the new equivalent to clicking on "programs" in the old start button menu. You should see Windows Defender on the far right. I like that all apps view because it shows all my desktop only programs and tiles apps on one page that scrolls, and opens in the appropriate mode, desktop, or tile app. For example, Outlook is a desktop program, not a tile app, so when I click it in the all apps view from the start page, it flips over to desktop and opens Outlook there.

 

My new Acer AIO desktop came in with Symantec two month free trial. I removed it and activated Defender which is on every Windows 8 system I have set up. They also have DVD burner and playback third party programs because only windows Pro, which costs extra, can accommodate Windows Media Center, which itself costs a bit more. 8 or 9 bucks.

 

I believe, and this is just a guess, that MS is not paying the computer vendors like Dell to exclude other Anti-Malware products because they then come under fire as being monopolistic and bribing their way to the top. But it is OK for their competitors to pay Dell to include theirs.

 

I loved Kaspersky back before MSE and Forefront, and now with Windows Defender used as the name for the new Windows 8 designed variant, I am back in the MS security camp for my windows 8 computers. AVG and Kaspersky both bogged my systems down noticeably, and made boot times 1/3 longer. That was true of McAfee, and all the rest were worse. As well they were always popping up annoying reminders that I am protected. Unless there is a bad page or an infection happening MS programs stay quiet as they should. People use pop up blockers then don't feel secure unless their security program does pop ups. <sigh>

 

Doc, I find more infections from Kaspersky, AVG, McAfee, Avast, Symantec/Norton users who get started with a free month or year, and then do not pay to renew. These are the people who bring infected computers to me. As well, many have active subscriptions and are too impatient to allow them to update, or have very slow or limited connections and think not updating security is OK.

 

And a majority who get infected, get reinfected more than once regardless of whether they use a free resource hog, a paid resource hog, or a free resource light program like MSE, Defender, or Avast Free.

 

Anyway Doc, have a look on your Windows 8 system and let me know if you have any trouble finding it, for later.

 

I see infected folks with all programs. All it takes is social engineering of the attack vector in a way that fools them. Or a driveby using a known patched vulnerability on computers that are never allowed to do Windows updates, which are about 60% of Windows computers worldwide. It is those idiots that keep Internet crime profitable and inexpensive. The very well written rootkits and key loggers are rarely found by average users because they are supposed to stay hidden. The scans that make folks feel secure will not catch those except during a reboot before Windows loads, and some require safe mode.

 

Again, anti-malware programs are the third tier of security. One is keeping windows and third party programs either updated, or off your computers. Like deleting Adobe reader and using one of the better, lighter, faster, and free readers like FoxIt Reader instead that are not under daily attack. Two is user practices and awareness. Three is anti malware. Fourth are good recovery tools including system images whether using what I do, the very easy Windows 7 create a system image found on 8 under Windows 7 file recovery, or using third party programs like Acronis that cost money and in actual use are less reliable when doing restores. I used to use Ghost, the later Acronis and they can be very user unfriendly, and can fail on a first attempt. I have never had an image creation using an external drive or dock fail. Unlike most it seems I have also routinely made and restored dual images for my computers until I started using external drive docks and two drives per computer. Three until I finished personal testing of Windows 8 on portables and desktops. Then I had three drives for each. A clone of the 7 original drive, and a working 8 drive, and a data drive to manually sync both systems.

 

On my laptop which has since been replaced by this hybrid touch 8 Envy X2, I made an image of my Windows 7 OEM system, and loaded a clean install of all three Windows 8 previews as they happened. Then every month made a fresh image of the preview, restored the Windows 7 system, updated it so if I stayed with 7 it was current. Then I imaged the updated 7 system, and restored the Windows 8 image, AND UPDATED THAT. So instead of making images and not knowing if they would restore, or what to select in the repair disk environment to restore an image, I do images AND restores routinely. I used EaseUS Todo for the Windows 8 system images on both the XP and Win 7 systems, Acronis TI 10 for the XP netbook image, and Windows 7 create a system image for the Windows 7 laptop image.

 

I have had several folks here who never tried to restore an image made with Windows 7's program claim it would not work, when they did not know to select the second option in the restore environment, which clearly says to select that to restore a previously made image. They also did not have the external drive connected and turned on which had the image before clicking next.

 

I decided it was worth my time and money to buy and get my first experience with an SSD, a 128GB Crucial M4. It took less time to swap the laptop drives monthly to do windows and third party updates during my Windows 8 preview testing, rather than the half hour each doing the images for 7 and 8. Swapping the laptop drive took five minutes. And I dropped the netbook with XP from the test when I found it did not have minimum resolution for 8.

 

My point is that I take my security, and my data seriously. I have a drive dock at each computer that can do eSATA or USB2. My SH's computer, and my new AIO, both have USB 3 ports and I have a new external port powered 1TB drive now on hers since last week, and am shopping a USB3 dock now. I am researching GPT Disk versus NTFS drive limitations of over 2 GB drives now to make the best buy given current technology.

 

Unlike folks who spend hours and hours a month doing data only or other security scans and many programs, the above while seeming complicated, is really not taking any of my time at all. Since the drives remain attached but not turned on, to prevent infection of the drive and clean images, once a week we each run an image using Windows Backup and Restore. That takes flipping the on switch and now plugging in the USB drive on hers. Then clicking on backup and restore from search in her 7 machine, and Windows 7 file recovery in 8, both of which bring up the identical backup and restore screen. First time an image is made to the external drive, which Windows finds in about half a minute assuming it is connected and turned on, a repair (read boot) disk needs to be created from a blank CD. It asks after you make an image. So be ready and make it. It only takes a couple minutes. Then keep it in a safe place. See if your hard drive fails, or you get infected, you just pop in the repair/boot disk and restore from there. You will have to learn to bring up the boot menu for your system, and boot from the CD. If that is beyond you it is relatively easy to set up either in setup/CMOS, or knowing which f key your bios uses. I always test the boot disk when I make it, and make any changes then, not when I am in the middle of a hardware failure or infection.

 

So once a week I leave the computer running an extra half hour to create a fresh image, and delete the old one.

 

Now what happens if I never practiced or made an image or disk, and the hard drive fails? Or the hard drive fails and the image fails because I did something wrong and never did practice restores? If the hard drive failed then the image too, the system cannot be restored to factory even, losing data and starting over again, because if the drive failed, so do all the partitions including the recovery partition.

 

That is why I make the factory restore DVDs before I even load applications or do any cleaning. I find where the create a factory restore or recovery disk set is and make them first! That takes three or four Blank DVDs. HP only allows you to make the recovery disk set once, so if you lose them or don't make them at all, it will take about $20-30.00 to order a set from the manufacturer.

 

I can afford to lose a weeks data except for Quicken. That is backed up now to an SD card, so she does not have a USB drive dangling, or have to insert one, just a couple clicks and 30seconds and she loses not one minute.

 

I don't do multiple partition schemes, run scans unless indicated other than once a week automatically, no utilities except for CCleaner and no registry cleaners but CCleaner and that only once a month after Windows updates on each computer.

 

Now, all that to say use whatever program anybody wants. That is just the burglar alarm. It rings after an intrusion. Now it is up to you to clean out the intruder and restore your system, pay a lot to someone like me, or sixty bucks for me to restore it to factory assuming the drive is OK or you gave me a recovery disk set you made when new and did not lose. Or have a bricked system if the drive fails. Or spend 30bucks to bring back all the programs you used for movies etc.

 

See a Windows restore does not bring back all the programs you might have used that came with it, especially now with Windows 8. Unless Pro and you bought media center, you won't be able to play dvds or do other things because it has no audio or video codecs. Those are in your programs the manufacturer includes.

 

Have recovery disks at least. Images for fast recovery. Data backups for lack of images and to transfer to new computers unless you get new and keep the drives to copy data and sync at leisure.

 

None of this is beyond the average user.

 

Neither is fooling themselves that they are protected by any malware program from their own actions and zero day drive bys.

 

Safe computing! I have to go deliver a business system I just set up and install it and set up their new network. I keep images of all my serviced systems. It is up to them to allow data backups and remember to do them. Again, I run into people who never turn off their systems, and never allow updates to restart until the backlog reinforces their fear of the time and bandwidth it takes. Those will not have read this far.

 

Safe Computing!

 

PS there are many ways to skin a cat. But there are only three backups you can do not counting clones. Images, data backups, and factory restores to out of box from either a created DVD recovery disk set you made or the recovery partition on the drive if the drive itself did not fail. You need all three and only one, creating the recovery disk set, takes an hour or two but that you only do once. Data backups can be easily automated, but I prefer to initiate my images weekly manually, and once running in a minute or two, leave it to finish without my attention.

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Doc, One more thing. MS included Money for free and while some used it, most of us went with Intuit Quicken and QuickBooks. Microsoft includes drive cleaners and defrag but people like me download and use CCleaner. The MS system tools are good. I prefer the MS defrag over third party ones like defraggler. Microsoft's Windows Media Player is my choice for organizing and playing my music and movies, not media center. Many folks use VLC or the Apple programs to handle their music. MS includes a photo management program that is very good in Office and a live photo organizer that is as good as Picasa in my opinion. But most folks download and use Picasa. Skydrive/photobucket? And the biggie! MS includes Internet Explorer, which I love and use, but many many folks go and download FF or Chrome. I think today Bing is far superior to Google and use it exclusively. When it sucked wind I used Google. Now I remove Google and not only is Bing my only search engine, it is my home page and desktop background because I love the daily pictures used. I could go on. But my point is that the original "MS is criminally unfair!" rant was over knocking Netscape out of business with IE. I was there then, and even owned an ISP at the time in 95-96-97. Netscape was not better than IE, but Netscape did have lower prices for new customers than for renewals for a bit and royally screwed us, so we moved to IE. That was in the days I also used DR DOS in the late 80s early to mid 90s. See, MS can include a free program that does the job, sometimes better than the competition, and still fail to capture the market segment. I give absolutely no credence to any hint of unfair practices, not as a fan boy, but as a user who was and is there and used all the better programs myself. Before today's Google navigate on my phones I used Garmins. Before that Delorme Street Atlas with a GPS dongle on my laptop while fulltiming before there was a Google. I do agree that inferior programs should lose whether from MS or others. I try them all and decide for myself. Look at all the Windows 8 frustration. Wait till Windows phone become mainstream and they will. See I have owned Android and now Windows RT and full Windows 8 touch tablets. I compared both before I sold my galaxy tab side by side. Android lost. We still have Galaxy Smart Phones, but as soon as we can get Nokias for straight talk verizon towers we are so there. BTW we renew our Straight Talk service three months at a time with an eBay vendor at $35 bucks a month per phone for the retail 45 buck service that is unlimited and uses Verizon towers. I won't post the link as there are many alternatives. Paying several hundred a month and being on a contract are not my preferences. I have cable ?Internet so can deal with 3G. See our phones use our WiFi at home faster than 4G. I do like most of what MS makes. I also get a grin when folks tell ne how bad their software and monopolistic practices are, and imply that they should give away all their products including Windows. Funny, those folks still use Windows instead of being internally and externally consistent by moving to Apple or Linux with few exceptions. By few I mean less market share than the Windows OS has in the low to mid 90th percent of market share.

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Wow! I could not post that last edit, then clicked on advanced after editing, and it was still there but the paragraphs were gone and it became one long para? I am leaving it alone. These forums have the most glitches of any of the ten or so I use online. I know, we get what we pay for. But the others are free too. And several don't have advertising or a membership to sell either. I stopped commenting and reduced my participation here instead. Never know what I'll find.

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Here, Here! All good stuff and I also, temper my temper with temperate participation... it's the only rational way to cope.... kinda like the way one copes with government.

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OK

Download MSE.

Then go to Norton/Symantec site and download their removal tool.

Go offline.

Remove Norton with the tool you just got.

Install MSE.

Back online and download definition updates for MSE.

Go in settings and set up scan schedule as you like.

Run full scan.

Done.

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I wish I read these latest posts before I went and uninstalled the trial norton and installed Avast. With Avast came a horde of unwanted crap and ive spent hours trying to get rid of it all...the worst one seems to be conduit search. Maybe I should just uninstall Avast and use windows defender?

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Its funny...in order to use this windows 8 computer I have to have my Ipad beside it to to look up on how to use the computer.

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I have google chrome as my main search engine now.....what do you guys all use? I used firefox on W7 but now I'm not so sure.

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Where did you get Avast from? I suspect it was not an approved location or an approved location was compromised. http://www.avast.com/index is the approved location.

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Yeah Avast does not have a bunch of spyware but lots of previously clean sites do. Use Bill's link. Also remember to avoid CNET downloads and that Major Geeks is always clean http://www.majorgeeks.com/ as is Filehippo http://www.filehippo.com/ but regardless always look for boxes that allow you to not download free offers. Read every part of every page, uncheck what you don't want and then you will likely be OK.

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I dont know where I got Avast...I just googled it. But Windows defender sounds like it will work. I brought it up but it says it is disabled as I am using another product.

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