RV_ Posted August 8, 2022 Report Share Posted August 8, 2022 A possible good investment if we ever get it back. The U.S. made a breakthrough battery discovery — then gave the technology to China Excerpt: "When a group of engineers and researchers gathered in a warehouse in Mukilteo, Wash., 10 years ago, they knew they were onto something big. They scrounged up tables and chairs, cleared out space in the parking lot for experiments and got to work. They were building a battery — a vanadium redox flow battery — based on a design created by two dozen U.S. scientists at a government lab. The batteries were about the size of a refrigerator, held enough energy to power a house, and could be used for decades. The engineers pictured people plunking them down next to their air conditioners, attaching solar panels to them, and everyone living happily ever after off the grid. "It was beyond promise," said Chris Howard, one of the engineers who worked there for a U.S. company called UniEnergy. "We were seeing it functioning as designed, as expected." It took six years and more than 15 million taxpayer dollars for the scientists to uncover what they believed was the perfect vanadium battery recipe. Others had made similar batteries with vanadium, but this mix was twice as powerful and did not appear to degrade the way cellphone batteries or even car batteries do. The researchers found the batteries capable of charging and recharging for as long as 30 years." Much more in the article: https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium?utm_source=npr_newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_content=20220807&utm_term=7077348&utm_campaign=best-of-npr&utm_id=42153159&orgid=1535&utm_att1= Quote RV/Derekhttp://www.rvroadie.com Email on the bottom of my website page.Retired AF 1971-1998 When you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. When you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself. - Confucius “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bigjim Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 I haven't had time to read this properly thanks to vision issues but right off the top I would like to know who is actually responsible for it going to China and why. Then again maybe it would be better for my blood pressure not to know and I know it would be political so it can't happen here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted August 11, 2022 Report Share Posted August 11, 2022 1 hour ago, bigjim said: I haven't had time to read this properly thanks to vision issues Having eye problems? Not good. Quote Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_ Posted August 15, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 15, 2022 On 8/11/2022 at 10:46 AM, bigjim said: I haven't had time to read this properly thanks to vision issues but right off the top I would like to know who is actually responsible for it going to China and why. Then again maybe it would be better for my blood pressure not to know and I know it would be political so it can't happen here. Jim sorry you are having vision issues. I hope they are not permanent and can be remediated or recovered from. Keep me posted bud. The short answer is the DOE in 2017 and DOE again with a transfer in 2021: "The Chinese company didn't steal this technology. It was given to them — by the U.S. Department of Energy. First in 2017, as part of a sublicense, and later, in 2021, as part of a license transfer. An investigation by NPR and the Northwest News Network found the federal agency allowed the technology and jobs to move overseas, violating its own licensing rules while failing to intervene on behalf of U.S. workers in multiple instances." From the link for the article I posted at the beginning. Quote RV/Derekhttp://www.rvroadie.com Email on the bottom of my website page.Retired AF 1971-1998 When you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. When you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself. - Confucius “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justRich Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 I did search for "vanadium redox flow batteries" and the results seem to contradict everything in this article: https://www.google.com/search?q=vanadium+redox+flow+batteries&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8 Quote ~Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justRich Posted August 16, 2022 Report Share Posted August 16, 2022 And this WSJ article seems that it might support the article:https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-approves-nearly-all-tech-exports-to-china-data-shows-11660596886?st=mdf64ot87olfk7a&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink Quote ~Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_ Posted August 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 Thanks for the good article Rich, and for looking further. NPR is usually an excellent source. I've never known you to use confirmation bias and you use good sources with good fact based journalism too. Quote RV/Derekhttp://www.rvroadie.com Email on the bottom of my website page.Retired AF 1971-1998 When you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. When you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself. - Confucius “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted August 17, 2022 Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 On 8/15/2022 at 5:59 PM, RV_ said: Jim sorry you are having vision issues. I hope they are not permanent and can be remediated or recovered from. Keep me posted bud. I don't think it is a critical issue at this time and is a little intermitent. I have an appointment at the end the month. The worst is reading at times but it is hard not to worry a little. I do trifocals and they have always been troublesome. I never had much problem when it was just bifocals. It may even be cataracs getting worse. I do have glaucoma also but seems to be in control with drops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_ Posted August 17, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2022 I hear ya bud. Are the docs saying cataract surgery might help? Quote RV/Derekhttp://www.rvroadie.com Email on the bottom of my website page.Retired AF 1971-1998 When you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. When you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself. - Confucius “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted August 18, 2022 Report Share Posted August 18, 2022 Guess I will find out more at the end of the month. (Aug.31 literally) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_ Posted August 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 Hope it's good news! Good luck Jim! Quote RV/Derekhttp://www.rvroadie.com Email on the bottom of my website page.Retired AF 1971-1998 When you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. When you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself. - Confucius “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbertalotto Posted August 29, 2022 Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 Diamond Nuclear Batteries........No recharging and will last 20-30 THOUSAND YEARS! Check it out. A world changer! No need for any type of utility...Gas, Oil, Electric, Nuclear......Everything on the planet reunning on DNBs....... Quote RoyB South of Boston 2021 Dodge 2500 - 6.4L Forest River 19RR Toy Hauler Roofnest Falcon Rooftop Tent www.rvbprecision.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RV_ Posted August 29, 2022 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2022 3 hours ago, rbertalotto said: Diamond Nuclear Batteries........No recharging and will last 20-30 THOUSAND YEARS! Check it out. A world changer! No need for any type of utility...Gas, Oil, Electric, Nuclear......Everything on the planet reunning on DNBs....... 😂🤣😂 The vanadium redox flow battery has been licensed for several years however. Got a link for DNBs? 😉 Quote RV/Derekhttp://www.rvroadie.com Email on the bottom of my website page.Retired AF 1971-1998 When you see a worthy man, endeavor to emulate him. When you see an unworthy man, look inside yourself. - Confucius “Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.” ... Voltaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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