COFLTravler Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Time to ask the experts....I know someone out there has an idea - other than just sell the canoe..... Trying to figure out a way that I could haul my 14' canoe on my rig. Putting it on the Fiver is a no go due to the height. Really don't think I have enough slope to mount it over the Smart towards the back of the cab - thoughts? Mark Quote 2014 HDT Volvo 780 "Baby Bird"2016 Smart Car "Baby Bird Turd" - on the back2020 Momentum 376THSWe're both proud USAF Retirees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Can you put it on the truck bed, just in front of the hitch, aimed at the stars? Use a moving blanket to protect the smart. Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 Trade it for two kayaks? Trade it for an inflatable? Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 8, 2021 Report Share Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) Could you have a solid fix attached to the pin box and a gimbal pole on the bed so it would pivot with the trailer? Angled up or elevated so nose is over smart like Darryl said? It would of course assume you have 14’ from back of cab to pin box. Other consideration would be fore and aft movement of pin box must be taken into account so the “fixed” mount would have to be a slider. On edit: The more I think about this just don’t know if you would have the room between cab and trailer. Edited July 8, 2021 by SuiteSuccess Quote 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Mark, I have a 17ft kayak and have been studying this question since I bought my truck in 2010. As much as I hate to say it...It ain't happening with tall truck and a long boat. Quote MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 9, 2021 Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Look up SeaEagle inflatable kayaks. We had one and they are pretty rugged. Quote 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COFLTravler Posted July 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2021 Thanks to all for providing input.....as Big5er said "it ain't happening...." Need to look closely at the Seaeagle..been looking at the Intex Explorer K2 Kayak, 2-Person Inflatable Kayak - anyone have one and have good words? Thanks again to those that responded, always get a good response on this forum..... Mark Quote 2014 HDT Volvo 780 "Baby Bird"2016 Smart Car "Baby Bird Turd" - on the back2020 Momentum 376THSWe're both proud USAF Retirees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Dreamer Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 I can easily carry a 14' canoe in my Toyhauler as it handles a 17' Full size van. Do you have a rear window in your 5th wheel that could've changed to an opening window to be able to put canoe inside the trailer? Quote 2005 Freightliner Century S/T, Singled, Air ride ET Jr. hitch 2019 46'+ Dune Sport Man Cave custom 5th wheel toy hauler Owner of the 1978 Custom Van "Star Dreamer" which might be seen at a local car show near you! Check out http://www.hhrvresource.com/ for much more info on HDT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hone eagle Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 I have a high pressure inflatable (2 man) ,a folboat and a 5 segment kayak. I looked at vertical storage and it will not give you a decent length of boat ,certainly not a 2 person. There are many joined, collapsable ,and some assembly required boats out there(port-a-boat). I get wanting to use what is already in your possession but a canoe is the least likely to work with a tall trailer and tall truck. Believe it or not a port a boat will go under the trailer, about 4" thick. Quote 2005 volvo 670 freedomline singledNewmar Torrey Pine 34rskswoot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 1 minute ago, hone eagle said: I have a high pressure inflatable (2 man) ,a folboat and a 5 segment kayak. I looked at vertical storage and it will not give you a decent length of boat ,certainly not a 2 person. There are many joined, collapsable ,and some assembly required boats out there(port-a-boat). I get wanting to use what is already in your possession but a canoe is the least likely to work with a tall trailer and tall truck. Believe it or not a port a boat will go under the trailer, about 4" thick. Yeah, Steve Dixon hauls one under his trailer (port a boat). Quote 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hone eagle Posted July 10, 2021 Report Share Posted July 10, 2021 HA great minds and all that. my pac a yak is my fav for now, the 2 man when the admiral needs to come along. Quote 2005 volvo 670 freedomline singledNewmar Torrey Pine 34rskswoot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted July 11, 2021 Report Share Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) A friend of mine who is something between innovative and crazy solved his problem by sawing his canoe in half right across the center. This was one of those Old Town ABS canoes - not aluminum or poly like a Coleman. He then cut two identical pieces of 1/2" marine plywood for each of the now open center pieces. Once the plywood was glued in he covered them with fiberglass cloth and epoxy resin overlapping onto the canoe hull. This gave him two 8' pieces that he could easily load. Actually, he now had TWO short boats that could be used independently. When he got to his water site he joined the two halves with stainless steel nuts and bolts through pre-drilled holes in the plywood sleeved with copper tubing that had been flared out on the ends to completely seal the holes. The canoe performed as well as it did as a single piece. I also have a 16' canoe that I have seriously thought about making the same modification to along with a flat part on one end to serve as a transom for an electric trolling motor. But, I also own a 12' inflatable with insertable aluminum floor pieces and a 15 hp Mercury outboard. The deflated boat is heavy at 120 pounds but it can be folded over the transom and strapped into a nice package that fits on the bed or a trailer hitch carrier. The aluminum floor pieces go in the trailer behind the couch. The motor and 3 gallon fuel tank go into any available storage compartment. I have a very simple trailer that is only used for launching with our golf cart which we always carry on the back of the Volvo. The launching trailer disassembles. The inflatable has worked well other than a PITA assembling and disassembling. Edited July 11, 2021 by RandyA Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 1 hour ago, RandyA said: A friend of mine who is something between innovative and crazy Sounds like someone I know. Won't mention a name, but his initials are Charlie Lord. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) Nope - not Charlie. But, I guess it could be if he had a canoe. 😄 A few years back we were in Kearney Nebraska and went to Harold Warp's Pioneer Village museum/collection of "stuff". There was a boat on display that he had built that was sort of like what I described but it was hinged so the two sides folded on top of one another and made a closed box that fit on a little trailer. It was really neat. So was the car that had two propellers sticking out the back near the exhaust that could be a boat or a car. Now, that is something that would be neat to own. Mark's question has got me thinking again about our old canoe. I would like to be able to take it when we go to Florida so we could paddle around the marshes with the alligators. The idea of making it into a two piece canoe is appealing since I know it can be done. I have seen a rigid plastic kayak that can be taken apart in the middle but its method of joining is entirely different. Still a very doable project. Edited July 12, 2021 by RandyA Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hone eagle Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 heck you can make a screen door float ,just bring a can of that wal-mart miracle sealer and some chicken wire. reminds me of a story out of new zealand years ago ,a dude brought a bag or two of fero cement to the beach, piled the sand into a boat shape -plastered it and he had a boat next day,end of vacation left it as a new 'reef'. Quote 2005 volvo 670 freedomline singledNewmar Torrey Pine 34rskswoot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 (edited) On 7/10/2021 at 6:48 AM, hone eagle said: HA great minds and all that. my pac a yak is my fav for now, the 2 man when the admiral needs to come along. Those look cool ... The two piece canoe joined by bulkheads would work too. Edited July 12, 2021 by noteven Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
COFLTravler Posted July 12, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 Oh boy...the damage I could do trying to cut my canoe in half...I really hate to part with my Old Town 16 footer though... Still looking at this Porta Bote concept.. Mark Quote 2014 HDT Volvo 780 "Baby Bird"2016 Smart Car "Baby Bird Turd" - on the back2020 Momentum 376THSWe're both proud USAF Retirees... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RandyA Posted July 12, 2021 Report Share Posted July 12, 2021 The Porta Bote is an extremely nice looking alternative. I have seen a few strapped to the outside left side of a motor home and fifth wheel. I spent a lot of time studying one at Camping World and then again at the East Coast Rally this past April. There was one next to one of the cabins at Deer Run that caught my eye. I would caution you against purchasing a Sea Eagle until you have had a chance to compare to other inflatables. The Sea Eagle products I am familiar with are vinyl. I do not know if this is true for the entire line or not. The 12' inflatable we bought is 7 mil double coated PVC with 5 air chambers including the inflatable keel - the reason it weighs 121 pounds. It is also rated for up to a 25 hp outboard - we have a 15 hp and it will plane nicely and reach a GPS speed of 22 mph. Rowing it is not fun but very doable. Moving any distance with a paddle is difficult. We have used an electric trolling motor is some small lakes that do not allow gas outboards. Quote Randy, Nancy and Oscar "The Great White" - 2004 Volvo VNL670, D12, 10-speed, converted to single axle pulling a Keystone Cambridge 5th wheel, 40', 4 slides and about 19,000# with empty tanks. ARS - WB4BZX, Electrical Engineer, Master Electrician, D.Ed., Professor Emeritus - Happily Retired! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 13, 2021 Report Share Posted July 13, 2021 Randy, Our Sea Eagle was K80 PVC also. Quote 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 I've spent my entire life paddling "real" kayaks. I've never seen an inflatable that could maneuver like a a solid boat or even a skin on frame. The thought of leaving my 17ft carbon fiber boat behind has distressed me for many years. I'm leaning toward a pakayak. I just can't bring myself to buy an inflatable. Quote MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Big5er said: I've spent my entire life paddling "real" kayaks. I've never seen an inflatable that could maneuver like a a solid boat or even a skin on frame. The thought of leaving my 17ft carbon fiber boat behind has distressed me for many years. I'm leaning toward a pakayak. I just can't bring myself to buy an inflatable. “I just can’t bring myself to buy an inflatable “. Leaving yourself wide open their Phil. 🤣🤣 Quote 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lappir Posted July 14, 2021 Report Share Posted July 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, SuiteSuccess said: “I just can’t bring myself to buy an inflatable “. Leaving yourself wide open their Phil. 🤣🤣 Will he retract or won't he? That is the question. Quote White 2000/2010Volvo VNL 770 with 7' Drom box with opposing doors, JOST slider hitch. 600 HP Cummins Signature 18 Speed three pedal auto shift. 1999 Isuzu VehiCross retired to a sticks and bricks garage. Brought out of storage the summer of 2022 2022 Jeep Wrangler Sport S Two door hard top. 2007 Honda GL 1800 2013 Space Craft Mfg S420 Custom built Toyhauler The Gold Volvo is still running and being emptied in July. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 2 hours ago, SuiteSuccess said: “I just can’t bring myself to buy an inflatable “. Leaving yourself wide open their Phil. 🤣🤣 Carl, you've become a dirty old man........Much like the rest of us. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 well, since the conversation WAS about boats and not sex partners, I'll let you perverts have some fun. I should have known not to trust you guys to stay out of the gutter LOL Quote MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 15, 2021 Report Share Posted July 15, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Big5er said: well, since the conversation WAS about boats and not sex partners, I'll let you perverts have some fun. I should have known not to trust you guys to stay out of the gutter LOL Hey totally talking about kayaks……🙄🙄 p.s. hope you’re doing well Phil. Edited July 15, 2021 by SuiteSuccess Quote 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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