rickeieio Posted March 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 Perhaps, but perhaps not. We pick up a 13 spd manual tomorrow.....cuz the co-pilot said so. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darryl&Rita Posted March 24, 2021 Report Share Posted March 24, 2021 22 minutes ago, Alie&Jim's Carrilite said: Because once you buy that auto shift... you won't have a glare supply anymore..... at least from the shifting issue.... Never had shifting issues, unless you count forgetting to put it neutral before letting the clutch out. Still never been low on glare juice. I seem to acquire new reasons for a liberal application daily. Quote I have been wrong before, I'll probably be wrong again. 2000 Kenworth T 2000 w/N-14 and 10 speed Gen1 Autoshift, deck built by Star Fabrication 2006 smart fourtwo cdi cabriolet 2007 32.5' Fleetwood QuantumPlease e-mail us here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D Posted March 26, 2021 Report Share Posted March 26, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 1:23 PM, noteven said: Kenworth has an air operated clutch option. It could contain parts that are useful. The late Dave Mattson's truck had the Volvo air clutch in it. It was amazingly easy to shift -- no more difficult to clutch than a one ton truck. Quote Phil 2002 Teton Royal Aspen 2003 Kenworth T2000 - Cat C12 380/430 1450/1650, FreedomLine, 3.36 - TOTO . . . he's not in Kansas anymore. ET Air Hitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted March 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 I don't know if our KW has the air assist, but it sure is easy. I was a little concerned because my left knee sometimes gives me trouble, but it'll be fine. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 27, 2021 Report Share Posted March 27, 2021 15 hours ago, rickeieio said: I don't know if our KW has the air assist, but it sure is easy. I was a little concerned because my left knee sometimes gives me trouble, but it'll be fine. “Our KW...”? Hmmmm .... anyways in a KW an “Easy pedal” clutch is usually paired with a Fuller trans, plus add the KW mechanical linkage designed to reduce pedal effort - they are really nice - in my little phart the pedal is less effort than the won ton Dodge... Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Today I found yet another way to un-impress the oldest grandson. He's 19 and has a real job, working construction/demolition, and is around a lot of fairly big equipment. So, he helped me do some small jobs, and I took him to lunch, in the KW. First, my right arm keeps trying to shift the 10 spd, that was in our recently sold Mack, then, to make matters worse, I discovered that if you split a high gear, you must "un-split" to get to the lower 4, say going around a corner in a busy intersection......... My face is still red. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 rick it is an ancient design feature of the Fuller compound transmission- that being ratios must be such that each and every time a truck is to be driven around a 90 deg corner the trans must be “split” out of high range into the “over there and back” awkward gear position vs the “over here and back” natural motion of the 10 spd. If it’s any consolation my truck has a 9 direct and requires the same pattern. Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 The old Volvo/White/GMC had an 8 spd, with low, so maybe a 9 spd? But. it went away in '07 when we got the Mack. When I was still farm'n, we had 3 Macks, one with the Fuller 10, one with a Maxi-Torque 10, and one with a 8 spd Fuller. Jumping from one to the next all day hauling out of the field was not fun, especially in the one with the Mack tranny. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Yes the Mack 10spd is quite a thing. The 9 speed is a 13spd without the compound function. 5 on the low side 4 on the high side. Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted March 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) 56 minutes ago, noteven said: Yes the Mack 10spd is quite a thing. That was rather diplomatic. I used other words. To make matters worse, it's an "R" model. So, when downshifting the 13, say from 8 high to 8 low, do I just flip the switch and gently blip the throttle? Shifting up is super easy and smooth. Edited March 28, 2021 by rickeieio Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 (edited) rick - correct - you preselect the direct or overdrive position and immediately release torque on the trans to allow the range section to shift and do a smooth little throttle up to match the rpm. Never move the selector in neutral - preselect it before moving the shift lever into & through the neutral gate. Shifts can be made with the clutch (Eaton recommended) or by “floating” clutchless shifts by feel and matching rpm to driveline. Practicing clutch shifting is a useful skill to learn when you need shifts to be made 1st attempt with fishing around to get a gear - like soft ground, slippery up the hill, skip shifting 3 gears because “holy crap that lane is steep” - and other such situations. Float shifting correctly is fine too. As an aside Eaton Autoshifts (3 pedals) float shift, Ultrashifts (2 pedals) clutch shift or float shift depending on accelerometer, wheel spin, vertical climb rate, afterburners, and other parameters. Edited March 28, 2021 by noteven Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 28, 2021 Report Share Posted March 28, 2021 Yes my 9 speed is not a “convertible to 13spd” model. Dammit. My wee baby Cummins would be nicely served with a 13. Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Kildow Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 Wish my 10 speed Direct was a 13 speed. But then again the 2.93 gears would make for a high speed chicken truck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 12 hours ago, Pete Kildow said: Wish my 10 speed Direct was a 13 speed. But then again the 2.93 gears would make for a high speed chicken truck. 😀 Quote "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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