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Dumb, dumb, dumb.......  Today we were almost home, traveling on I-71 between Cincinnati and Louisville.  We got to a place where traffic merged to one lane, and was stopped for a bit.  I took the tranny out of gear and let my clutch leg have a rest.  Once in a while I could ease off the brake and roll up a bit, then wait.......  But then while I was rolling, I saw we were really moving and I could put it in gear and move on.  Except, a gen 1 Eaton won't go in gear from neutral unless you're stopped.  Now what?  All I could do was continue coasting until I was clear of the construction, move over into the break down lane, stop and put it in gear.  Then I had to try to merge back out into the wave of folks who'd been held back by the bottleneck plus my bone headed move.

So, I ask the collective wisdom of this group, am I the only one who's ever done this?  We're closing in on the eleven year mark with this truck, and this is the first time it's happened to me.

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16 minutes ago, Darryl&Rita said:

I don't Neutral Roll, because the Gen 1 AutoShift manual says not to. Doesn't specify a minimum speed or distance, just not to do it. This might be why, can't see low speed/short distance harming the transmission.

I don't do it often, but have done it a few times, especially in really stop and go traffic. I find matching the engine speed to the roll speed and the truck will find the gear, sort of like if you have the real shifter. First time I did it I too had to pull over, stop and wait. Sometimes it's just pushing the clutch in enough to activate the clutch brake and not use the service brake. Just watch for the flashing number to stop flashing and you are in gear. 

 

Rod

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8 hours ago, Steve from SoCal said:

My transmission controller is my right arm. 

I was wishing for a stick to put 'er in gear.  I'm fine with a manual tranny, but got this one so the bride could drive.  But you'd have thought if there was a way to screw up, I would have found it sooner. 

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 Saw the thread title and I knew it had to fit me somehow.

 Not in a truck as I do not have any autoshifts. However in our 4x4 articulated tractors from the 80s, the powershift technology was still pretty primitive and when driving on the road from field to field, each time you stop you have start in gear 1, then no skip shift, you have to go through all 12 gears to get up to full travel speed. 🤬 Thankfully, like truck autoshift tech, it has improved and the newer tractors have skip shift and other improvements to make travel easier and............safer?

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Mine was crossing from Canada into the US at the US border stop. 

When we pulled up to the guard at the RV/passenger gate, he was very upset and motioned for me to turn off the truck. So I set the brakes (some now say don't do that at the border crossings) and turned the truck off. After giving him our passports , he want to see the wife's face and she kept trying to jump up, but finally had to unfasten her seat belt to stand up. You could tell the guard was irritated! After he said ok we could go, he closed his window quickly. So I went to try to restart the truck, and get out as fast as possible, but the truck wouldn't start. Turned the key and nothing. Kept trying a few times, and finally realized I forgot to put the Ultrashift gear selector in Neutral. It was still in Drive and truck won't crank. Put it Neutral, start truck and leave as gently as possible! 

I don't think the border guy liked having to deal with a semi in the RV lanes.

Dave

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"So, I ask the collective wisdom of this group, am I the only one who's ever done this? "

I have no wisdom to add.  But thanks for the head's up. 

My inclination is that for long, true single lane (without a driveable shoulder), I would stop, put it in neutral and sit for a bit until I had a big gap in front of me.  Then close the gap and repeat.  

Unfortunately, if there is a driveable shoulder, or multiple lanes that are congested, leaving a big gap in front, is probably a poor approach.  It seems to me, like creeping in 1st gear and occasionally shifting into neutral, with an eventual stop, is the only viable solution.  But maybe I'm wrong.

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4 hours ago, Star Dreamer said:

Mine was crossing from Canada into the US at the US border stop. 

When we pulled up to the guard at the RV/passenger gate, he was very upset and motioned for me to turn off the truck. So I set the brakes (some now say don't do that at the border crossings) and turned the truck off. After giving him our passports , he want to see the wife's face and she kept trying to jump up, but finally had to unfasten her seat belt to stand up. You could tell the guard was irritated! After he said ok we could go, he closed his window quickly. So I went to try to restart the truck, and get out as fast as possible, but the truck wouldn't start. Turned the key and nothing. Kept trying a few times, and finally realized I forgot to put the Ultrashift gear selector in Neutral. It was still in Drive and truck won't crank. Put it Neutral, start truck and leave as gently as possible! 

I don't think the border guy liked having to deal with a semi in the RV lanes.

Dave

We always take the commercial lane ,had a officer call the union on us for being in the car lane.

Oh and mine goes back into gear at any speed (freedomline) I know because more then once I hit the neutral button instead of manual at hwy speeds .

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9 hours ago, hone eagle said:

We always take the commercial lane ,had a officer call the union on us for being in the car lane.

Oh and mine goes back into gear at any speed (freedomline) I know because more then once I hit the neutral button instead of manual at hwy speeds .

We are registered and titled as an RV. I had no issues going into Canada and it was on the return trip after we had already passed the Canadian border guards. 

Does yours go automatically back into neutral if you turn it off in gear? Ours does not as I still have to flip the switch on the shifter to Neutral for it to crank.

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"IF" you were to build the pneumatic clutch system I did about 8 years ago you could just push a button on the side of the shift lever and the clutch will disengage.  Then you would not need to concern yourself about shifting to neutral to ease your leg from the clutch pedal.  I use this a lot when sitting at traffic lights as my clutch brake is toast.  I still keep my foot on the clutch pedal in case something fails (which it has not) but do not need to apply pressure.  I don't think it was ever put in the Resource Guide, but I do still have the pics and write-up.

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I remember that project.  At the time I thought I was young and invincible and didn't need it.  Haa.   

Another solution is buy a truck with a manual tranny.  There's always a gear or two that will work just fine without depressing the clutch.  But most folks don't care for that solution.

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7 hours ago, RandyA said:

"IF" you were to build the pneumatic clutch system I did about 8 years ago you could just push a button on the side of the shift lever and the clutch will disengage.  Then you would not need to concern yourself about shifting to neutral to ease your leg from the clutch pedal.  I use this a lot when sitting at traffic lights as my clutch brake is toast.  I still keep my foot on the clutch pedal in case something fails (which it has not) but do not need to apply pressure.  I don't think it was ever put in the Resource Guide, but I do still have the pics and write-up.

Ya, I thought for several years I might have to go dig up that project to bypass my bum left leg which was caused by too many years on the clutch, but it turns out I found a guy with a sharp knife who did a great job of fixing it from the human side. I was using my right foot on the clutch, or sometimes both feet, plus kicking it out of gear at lights. Anything I could do to keep going.  All better now. Thank you, Dr. Bailey! Jay

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   A few years ago I did install a nematic clutch system as Randy A did. He showed it to me at a rally I believe.

  So after I built it I did try it. It is still there just incase it is ever needed. Back in January I thought I may need it after my fall. After my slip on ice, I even thought I may need a lift to get in the truck.

  But I am back about 95 percent from that stupidity moment..

 

   Vern in a T-shirt 

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So the last 5 days have been on the road.... Greenville SC to Nashville Tn for 3 days, then up to Platte City Ks for an overnight (599 miles..... not recommended), then finally Sioux Falls today.  Plenty of upshifts, downshifts around and thru cities.... floated the gears with the jake brake on without grinding any..... 

Come off the interstate at our exit in Sioux Falls, up the ramp- stop at the light, float down to 2nd, light turns green and I come off the clutch a little too hard.... STALLED IT.... on an uphill.... which y'all might know is a little violent in the shaking department....  The next 2.5 miles to the campground had 6 lights.... couldn't find a gear to save myself..... The glare from the passenger seat needs to be bottled and sold....

 

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   Yep, once ya miss a gear then stuff happens. Then you start thinking and now it’s not working correctly.  I mostly shift without the clutch unless starting out.

 

  The next trip will go smoothly.

 

  I loose my hearing also when the passenger starts saying about the situation.

 

   Vern 

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