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i do not get it?

why test if your not sick?

why refuse to go to your Dr if you are sick? (but then... kaiser is refusing to even let you make any appt's to see any Dr).

millions have and millions more will test "pos" from FALSE testing. testing labs get paid more for a + test, than a - test. then just another bad batch of test kits. Aus had to destroy millions of communist chinese made test kits due to this problem.

and millions will test "pos" and never get sick, nor pass it on. so there is more to it than just testing pos on a home kit.

i forget where the story came out of (country) was watching the bbc on pbs, but you can get the test kit out of a vending machine. but then mail it in.....then get to wait a month (story said 20-30 days) for the results to get back to you.

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I don't get you guys. Did you read the article? First, it is yet to be approved in Australia by our TGA. (Australia has one of the toughest testing criteria for anything to do with health. Australia only last week approved any covid vaccine. The USA has gone ahead with covid vaccines way before they were approved here in Australia).

"Why test if you're not sick"? Well hello that's how you prevent spreading covid by finding those who are positive. 

And where does it say anything about FALSE positives?

"Aus has had to destroy millions of test kits due to this problem". Huh? Where do you get that information from? It's not being used in Australia. Yet.

If the first 2 posts to this story are any indication of a response to a good news/helpful story then I give up.

Australia has had 2 covid deaths in 6 months. The USA has had ?. One country must be doing something right. The other is full of skeptics.

I'm sorry I put this story up now.

Good luck.

 

 

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my info on the bad test kits came from a news source out of your country. now the test kits are not these, but another kit some months back. along with story,s about cutting ties with communist china's investments in your country. something about a very bad port deal.

and here in the usa, some Drs are reporting covied deaths only cause they get paid to list this on the death cert.

and then another part of the problem is the open boarders policy of one part of our government.

as just a person, that knows nobody sick let alone died in the past year. i am just sick of this lock-down garbage. as i can get nothing done, even places i used to buy items from are close down never to reopen. or blame back orders on the flu

sure if your sick or (like the warehouse were i work) want a couple extra weeks vacation call in sick. but then some there call in sick to just get drunk.

but it is good your country is testing things first. as both of the so called "vaccines" here are related to deaths from the drugs. one has been pulled form use.

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45 minutes ago, bruce t said:

I don't get you guys. Did you read the article? First, it is yet to be approved in Australia by our TGA. (Australia has one of the toughest testing criteria for anything to do with health. Australia only last week approved any covid vaccine. The USA has gone ahead with covid vaccines way before they were approved here in Australia).

"Why test if you're not sick"? Well hello that's how you prevent spreading covid by finding those who are positive. 

And where does it say anything about FALSE positives?

"Aus has had to destroy millions of test kits due to this problem". Huh? Where do you get that information from? It's not being used in Australia. Yet.

If the first 2 posts to this story are any indication of a response to a good news/helpful story then I give up.

Australia has had 2 covid deaths in 6 months. The USA has had ?. One country must be doing something right. The other is full of skeptics.

I'm sorry I put this story up now.

Good luck.

 

 

Thank you for the information Bruce. It is good to know that there is a test kit available for those that want them. I need to be tested every two weeks to visit my mother in a nursing home, and this might be a convenient way to do it.

But you can see from the responses what we are dealing with here...

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Thank you for the information. lack of testing has kept me from visiting my 98 yr old mother for nearly a year now. Since current tests in the U.S.A. are valid only for when the samples were taken, this home test appears to by my solution to safely visiting my mother.

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2 hours ago, sandsys said:

If they won't sell it in their home country why would we want it? 

Is there an emoji for skeptical?

It appears to me that you have not read the article. 🙄 The story was also on the CBS-TV news here this evening. As far as I can find, there are no plans to require you or anyone else to use one. 

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3 hours ago, bruce t said:

it is yet to be approved in Australia by our TGA.

That was my point. Australia has not yet said it is safe but we'll take it anyway. Because we don't care about safe? And Australia doesn't care that we don't care about safe? After all, business is business, right? But, the vaccines we are taking here have not been proven safe either and I'm taking one of those because I'm scared more of this virus than I am of the vaccine. So, if I had an elderly relative where I needed to take a test to visit, I would probably buy this test. But, it still doesn't feel good.

Linda

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Sandsys Australia's testing system is one of the toughest in the world. Just because the USA has approved something doesn't mean it's safe or not safe as far as Australia is concerned. Independent countries independent systems. No right or wrong way.

The USA is in a far worse situation than Australia re covid-19 so there is more urgency in the USA so I'm assuming the USDA has taken a calculated risk in approving it. On the other hand Australia is in a much better situation and can afford to be more cautious.

The point of me posting the story is that it gives others an option that they may, or may not, have know about.

We all have views on how covid is being handled. Don't get me started about Australia's handling of covid. But each to their own opinion and views. But the more options that are available the more we can all get back to 'normal'. Whatever 'normal' is. There has been far to much looking backwards and playing the blame game. Time everyone looked forward so we can all go RVing again.

 

 

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5 hours ago, packnrat said:

 

and here in the usa, some Drs are reporting covied deaths only cause they get paid to list this on the death cert.

 

but it is good your country is testing things first. as both of the so called "vaccines" here are related to deaths from the drugs. one has been pulled form use.

Can you post credible links to your statements.... because I don't believe they're true?  

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 will try to find it. but on a not main stream news source, some of the so called stimulus moneys went to pay Drs for listing covied on a death cert. as not all of the reported deaths were from this little "bug".  it is one of those little add on things that cost the US tax payer dearly.

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links to this. enjoy this reading.

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/04/07/covid19-death-certificate-change-stirs-controversy

https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/anti-vax-doctor-covid-19-death-certificates-984407/

https://msdh.ms.gov/msdhsite/_static/14,22075,420,694.html

https://fox11online.com/news/fox-11-investigates/fact-check-how-are-covid-19-deaths-counted-do-hospitals-get-money-for-covid-19-deaths

https://www.cbs8.com/article/news/verify/do-hospitals-get-paid-more-for-covid-19-cases/509-977c448f-d9a6-42f8-a443-968e9b610cac

https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/01/31/how-covid-19-immunity-certificates-could-restore-our-lives-or-divide-us/

 

 

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4 hours ago, packnrat said:

You need to read some of what you posted. It just doesn't say what you are telling us that it does. 

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“I know that there’s a certain group of people out there who seem to think that we’re taking directions from the CDC, or physicians or certain health departments or something like this to inflate the numbers which is absolutely, completely false," Klaeser said.

"There's no pressure on the physician to say COVID, we’re going to get paid more if you have COVID," Dr. Mead said.

 

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packnrat:  Your links don't have a definitive statement.  For instance, I copied part of msdh's link:

If the patient was a confirmed COVID-19 case, but COVID-19 contributed to but did not cause the death, such as stroke, how should the death certificate be completed?

The Cause of Death in Part I should be stroke and COVID-19 should be listed in Part II.

If the patient died of Acute Respiratory Failure and had COVID-19, what should the physician include as the Cause of Death?

The physician should include both Acute Respiratory Failure and COVID-19 on separate lines in Part I Cause of Death.

If the patient was a confirmed COVID-19 case, but the cause of death was not related to COVID-19 nor did COVID-19 contribute to the death, how should the physician complete the death certificate?

If COVID-19 was unrelated to the cause of death and not a contributing factor, it should not be included in Part I or II of the death certificate.

Some of the links were "I heard" "someone said" types of statements.

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The reporting of covid 'deaths' is different in every country. So look at all the figures with a skeptical eye. France changed their reporting method mid way during the first wave. Here in Australia if you die in a traffic accident and have covid in your system you are counted in the covid numbers!! Silly? I know of a 30 something male who was reported as Australia's youngest covid death. But the autopsy found he died of 'other' causes. But I'm sure he is still on the covid count.

A good elderly friend of ours was in a car accident. Hit by a drunk. In hospital she contracted pneumonia. Her cause of death was pneumonia. But she only got into hospital and contracted pneumonia because of the drunk. Drunk walked free because he wasn't responsible for the pneumonia. It's a crazy world.

My point is that you can throw figures around all you like to prove or disprove a point. But how are those figure calculated?

 

 

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i just did a quick look for links, and now for what ever reason the links posted are not working for me.

 

just because you might test + for the "bug" in your system, does not say you died or even got sick from it. so no reason to even list it.

and now tonight on the mainstream media outlets, they are talking about a ID card for those who have gotten the shot, with a "enhanced" one for some but not all. this is over in the eu, i did not catch the one country that is now issuing them.

but can see it now, no card or info on a computer file, not allowed to go to work or travel to any place nor even go into a store to buy bread. i will not even get into the invasion of your privacy by the mega computer company's just to "get a card on file".

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1 hour ago, packnrat said:

they are talking about a ID card for those who have gotten the shot

What we got is a piece of cardboard that folds in half to become credit card size. It has a sticker on it that says what vaccine you got first and another for the second signed by the person who does the injection. We filled out our own ID information right there using their pen. What they kept is the health information form we filled out before receiving each injection. (Technically we only had one so far but we have the form for the second one which is scheduled for a week from tomorrow.)

Linda Sand

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I'm trying to take a pragmatic view of the mask/death numbers/covid arguments.  Here's what I've concluded.

I'm real sure covid is out there and serious because countries don't just shut down for no reason.  This is happening worldwide, not just here.  I'm sure it isn't something dreamed up by the democrats to defeat republicans because it is happening everywhere.  All countries are scrambling for a vaccine. 

I'm pretty sure it is causing a lot of death.  I say this because: 1)  I can read.  Again, this is a worldwide issue.  When I read English language papers from overseas see they are having lots of deaths too.  2) I've talked to my doctor about it. My doctor is very clear that this is a very serious danger.  2) I know three people who were related to me who have died of covid in the last three months.  I'm sufficiently sure it was covid because they all displayed symptoms of it, they were then isolated from the families and in ICU, and they were diagnosed with it.  These were otherwise healthy old geezers like me.  I know only one other person related to me who died this year of any other cause.

There was a lot of conflicting information about masks at the start of this thing so it is hard to be sure whether they work or how well.  Despite conflicting information I'm going to wear a mask.  Not because it protects me so much.  Even the science people don't claim that as a primary purpose.  It's because it is reputed to protect me somewhat, but others more.  I do this without being certain that masks work.  I think they are better than no mask, but I'm not positive.  There just isn't any way for me to be sure. 

So I resolved that issue by weighing the consequences of my actions.   If I don't wear a mask and they work, I'm contributing to the deaths of others.  If I wear a mask and they don't work, I'm out the cost of the mask and the suffer inconvenience of wearing it.  That made the decision pretty easy, at least for me.

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Cause of death has always been one of those things that is at least partly a factor of who is asking and what you really want to know. That was explained to be by a friend who is a pathologist and was often the person making that decision. He gave the example of a person who experiences an very serious, contagious disease but recovers with permanent damage to the heart which remains after recovery. If that person then suffers a heart attack and dies soon after he recovers from his disease, did he die of the disease or of heart failure? 

We seem to live in a world where many people are seeking very simple answers to complicated questions. Life is not simple and neither are the answers. For those who want simple answers, let me ask a question. Have you stopped abusing your mother? Simple answers only, yes or no.   🙃  

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1 hour ago, kurtsara said:

So if I am not sick do I have to test daily then?

No, as far as has been explained to me, there is no reason to test unless you are a) symptomatic, b) have been exposed, or c) need to be tested for other reasons, for example, the DW just had cataract surgery and was required to take a COVID test prior to the surgery.

Having said that, it seems that there are rumblings that airlines are going to require it at least for international flights.

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I don't know how they are doing it now but my daughter at St. Jude said that they were testing everyone every 4 days.  St Jude is obviously a pretty critical situation and have their own lab of course so I assume their protocol is more strict.  I also presume they pretty much know what they are doing.  My thinking is if you were exposed it may be that it is X number of days before you can pass it to someone else.  I have not asked about this lately so it may be different now.  Her unit so far has had no one test positive.  Mask Mask Mask, wash wash wash distance distance distance. (Little useless bragging but I hope it keeps up)

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5 hours ago, bigjim said:

I don't know how they are doing it now but my daughter at St. Jude said that they were testing everyone every 4 days.  St Jude is obviously a pretty critical situation and have their own lab of course so I assume their protocol is more strict.  I also presume they pretty much know what they are doing.  My thinking is if you were exposed it may be that it is X number of days before you can pass it to someone else.  I have not asked about this lately so it may be different now.  Her unit so far has had no one test positive.  Mask Mask Mask, wash wash wash distance distance distance. (Little useless bragging but I hope it keeps up)

We have a care center as part of our apartment complex. How often they are required to test is dictated by the health department. It changes based on results of previous tests. Right now they are testing once a week. It went to twice a week when a caregiver tested positive until there were no further positives. We are not required to test regularly in the independent living section but they do contact tracing then test anyone exposed by someone who tested positive.

Linda

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27 minutes ago, sandsys said:

We have a care center as part of our apartment complex. How often they are required to test is dictated by the health department. It changes based on results of previous tests. Right now they are testing once a week. It went to twice a week when a caregiver tested positive until there were no further positives. We are not required to test regularly in the independent living section but they do contact tracing then test anyone exposed by someone who tested positive.

We live in a very similar community and what seems to be pretty much the same situation with testing. We have had 2 cases of covid in our independent living area but none that are active at this time. The assisted living area did have an outbreak that was pretty serious for a while. I don't know for sure about the memory care or full care areas but do know that the staff were testing twice a week for a time. 

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