Daveh Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 15 minutes ago, Daveh said: Ramez NaamVerified account @ramez an 22 ore 2. Today, at utility scale (how most solar is deployed), solar modules make up around 1/3 of the total system cost. The rest is so-called "soft costs" - framing, land, labor, trackers, inverters, wiring, etc.. Raising the cost of modules by 30% raises total cost maybe 10%. ore t 1 I think he makes a very interesting point but for those of us installing our own systems the cost increase of panels will have a much bigger impact on the bottom line of our projects. Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 This one is a toughie to discuss without going too far politically since there is a political aspect. If we can maintain a reasonal control we can all still benefit from the discussion. Thanks to everyone that is contributing respectfully and if I cross the line at some point feel free to say so. But politely please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirk W Posted January 24, 2018 Report Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, hemsteadc said: Now it's gone political. Is that allowed on here? No it is not. Admin has removed the post. Good travelin !...............KirkFull-time 11+ years...... Now seasonal travelers.Kirk & Pam's Great RV Adventure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fly2low Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 thank you Rich and Carol 2007 Dynamax DQ 340 XL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemsteadc Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 You must have re-typed that yourself.. the correct wording is "..and its tariffs.." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 3 hours ago, rm.w/aview said: The last paragraph in the article... "The provision under which Trump took action has been used rarely, and it's tariffs are almost always struck down by the WTO. The last time it was used was in 2001 for steel imports, and the WTO overturned the penalties." I obviously do not know all the considerations but I would thank a US manufacturer would have some justified hesitation in making a large investment based on this tariff protection. If the numbers would work anyway, okay, but in addition to the WTO concern above, what are the chances this is just a negotiation tactic or will be overturned by the next administration? Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigjim Posted January 25, 2018 Report Share Posted January 25, 2018 Dave, I was thinking the same thing. Even a tactic that is overturned can have a desired effect if for no other reason than to forcefully show your intent. In every sitution there are winners and losers and most of the time I seem to fall in the collateral damage catagory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted January 27, 2018 Report Share Posted January 27, 2018 https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sunpower-tariff/sunpower-puts-u-s-expansion-on-hold-over-trump-tariff-idUSKBN1FF00X Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMan Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 6:25 AM, bigjim said: Even that is mixed as the cheaper panels may lead to more jobs in installation and maint. plus saving on fossil fuels, cutting down on polution, spending less on buiding generating stations be they coal, gas, nuclear. It doesn't all fit in one box. One person gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMan Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 1/23/2018 at 4:09 PM, Mark and Dale Bruss said: The interesting thing is that US panel manufacturers will still be importing the glass cells from China. I guess that is an accommodation since the EPA rules makes it basically impossible to make the glass cells in the US. That is why Solyndra failed. It wasn't labor costs, it was a 100% automated plant, so the labor cost was nil but following EPA rules ran the cost too high. That's because Americans are great at SERVICING things. Innovation? Not any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMan Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 1/22/2018 at 2:37 PM, lockmup68 said: http://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/370171-trump-imposes-30-tariffs-on-solar-panel-imports The dispute is likely to be settled eventually by the Switzerland-based World Trade Organization, where China and other countries are nearly certain to challenge the tariffs as a violation of international law. The Chinese will win. As well, they should. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveh Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 4 minutes ago, OldMan said: That's because Americans are great at SERVICING things. Innovation? Not any more. Without researching anything I wonder whether this shouldn't be "manufacturing, not anymore" We are not that far removed from Gates and Jobs changing tech and we have Tesla doing it's thing now. Dave and Lana Hasper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldMan Posted February 24, 2018 Report Share Posted February 24, 2018 With the departure of manufacturing, most of the innovation on the planet occurs elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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