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Is this with a phone's hotspot or a Jetpack? There are claims by some people that Jetpacks will be permitted to use 22GB/mo before getting throttled, not the 10GB max for phone hotspots.

 

I can't remember. I think it was a jet pack. I have not see that claim. Everything I've seen including Technomadia says 10gb it should be throttled. 22gb sure would be nicer though. :D

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I started on the new Verizon unlimited plan last month and my current usage since my billing cycle started 2-20-17:

 

Smart phone usage 0.88 gb

JetPack usage 31.53 gb

Total 9.5 days 32.4 gb

 

I have noticed no slow down even though I am well over whatever the jetpack limit it, but then I am in a rural area. Throttling isn't the term Verizon uses, but it seems to be the term used here. Whatever they call it it hasn't impacted me and I'm very happy with the new plan and quality of service.

 

I have noticed a little bit of latency occasionally when I click on something, but no more than before I switched from my 30gb plan.

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I called yesterday and talked to a rep. Expressed concern about no roaming. She repeatedly told me that if I am in an are without Verizon service I would still have service from someone else. I thought this was roaming but according to her it is not. I don't believe her.

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I called yesterday and talked to a rep. Expressed concern about no roaming. She repeatedly told me that if I am in an are without Verizon service I would still have service from someone else. I thought this was roaming but according to her it is not. I don't believe her.

 

As I recall, VZW differentiates between network partner's connections and roaming agreement connections with competitors. Apparently network partners are considered part of their native network. Don't quote me on that though, that's from a long ago memory of a discussion with a VZW tech support specialist. Off hand, I can't recall the last time I've seen "roaming" on my VZW phone, but it's been a long time.

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First post, hello everyone. 

We have two iPhones, an iPad, and a Jet Pack. The jetpack, iPad and one iPhone 4 are on the Verizon network, the other iPhone 4S is on straight talk. The phones have unlimited data. My verizon iPhone is unlimited data but I do not believe I can use it as a hotspot except for Pdanet. My unlimited data plan was one of the GF plans that changed from $29 to $49 per month. We use the jetpack for our computers, it has a 10 gig limit. We are in dire need to purchase new phones. All together we pay $267. We could save quite a bit of money by purchasing the 4 line plan for $180 per month. Even a little more if we go for the 3 lines.

I've read this entire thread and watched a few videos that Technomadia provided on their website. In their video, jetpack vs smartphone as a hotspot. One of the cons for the phone was if it was removed from the wifi area then then there goes your internet connection. So I am asking for a little clarification. (I know the video is comparing a phone to a jetpack and just does not address my question). We, if we upgrade, will have two phones with hotspot capability. Are we limited to just one hotspot? If I leave can't my wife just turn on her phone's hotspot and continue to surf on her laptop? Should we save $13 and not use the jetpack?

Thanks in advance

Ed

 

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Welcome to the Forum clan:)!

Joel/Doc - Was the one that convinced me about two years ago to check back with Verizon about turning on the Hotspot on my phone. I did, and the answer was that they had changed their rules and for $20 a month I could turn on Hotspot. This was on my GF UDP Verizon Samsung S6 phone. It has been our primary data feed since then. As where we've traveled, we've found Verizon had coverage the majority of the time. When it does not, my wife's ATT iPhone 7 would quite often have coverage, and now we use it. (I just dropped the GF UDP and over a few months periods have made two other changes up until just last week, we signed up her phone (MIL's too.) for the new UDP + plan, for 22GB of data. (2 lines were $145 before discounts.) I also both the Unite Explorer Hotspot, and added that  as another of course Data only source for $20. Which provides another 22GB of data. After 22GB, they may de-prioritize you on a network that is busy. We have DirecTV, so that provides a $25 discount, for back to $140 for all three devices, before an employee group discount that we have.

Another inexpensive approach, is the Mobely. Probably will need to buy or build the external power source to keep it active, but the thread on that here shows many are doing this and happy with the results and the costs. 

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I do like keeping at least two different sources of data. Verizon, ATT, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc. - as it increase your odds of getting useable data feeds. I

Some pretty sharp cookies on this forum, and Technomadia's 2C's are also a great resource - so you should receive more input and suggestions. 

Welcome again, and travel safe,

Smitty

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WestEndEd: Yes, you set up most of your devices to know multiple phone hotspots and they will switch over.  it does take some time for each device to figure out the old hotspot is gone and move to the one that is available.  If you have something like a wireless printer, it only knows one wifi name and will not switch.  Many of us put a router with "WiFi as WAN" in to fix these problems, the computers, printers, tablets, Smart Tvs,, etc., all hook to the routers WIfi and the router manages the change of hotspots. 

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We pulled the trigger. 4 lines. Two new iPhone 6S, ported the straight talk number, had to bring the jetpack until its contract runs out this May and the iPad. Haven't tried to pay with a credit card yet, (as mentioned somewhere in this thread) so I didn't get the $10 discount. Monthly bill will be $244. This includes $22.91 per for the two iPhones. Ballpark figure of $188 after iPhones are paid for and auto pay set up. I'm happy.

Jetpack will live with a wifi ranger now that it has unlimited data. I was too afraid of overages with just 10gig per month. Would love to get my wireless printer working again. 

thanks

Ed

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On 3/13/2017 at 10:33 AM, Bill Joyce said:

WestEndEd: Yes, you set up most of your devices to know multiple phone hotspots and they will switch over.  it does take some time for each device to figure out the old hotspot is gone and move to the one that is available.  If you have something like a wireless printer, it only knows one wifi name and will not switch.  Many of us put a router with "WiFi as WAN" in to fix these problems, the computers, printers, tablets, Smart Tvs,, etc., all hook to the routers WIfi and the router manages the change of hotspots. 

This is exactly what I do.  Works great.

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I have ATT and right now only have a 3GB plan. That's $45 Plan, $20 iPhone, $10 iPad, -$6 Govt discount = $69.00. For an unlimited plan they state $115 Plan, $20 iPhone, $20 iPad, NO Govt discount so + $155.00 I am not sure its worth it to more than double my costs just to get 22GB of "unlimited data".

Seems weird how they advertise $90/mo for the plan but I can't seem to understand how mine starts at $115. The only thing I could do differently is to take the iPad off the plan and use it only on the 10GB hot spot data so i would save $20.

I think I might just wait until I go FT and see how much data I use. I have the DirectTV NOW so that does not count against my data so If I only watch Netflix and Amazon Prime in WiFi I should be ok, I hope.

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1 hour ago, artywoof said:

 

Seems weird how they advertise $90/mo for the plan but I can't seem to understand how mine starts at $115. The only thing I could do differently is to take the iPad off the plan and use it only on the 10GB hot spot data so i would save $20.

 

Almost all cellular advertising is done by stating the cost of plans exclusive of taxes and other fees.  I think my "$60 rural AT&T 250GB" plan is going to cost me ~$75/mo with all the associated fees.

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On 3/1/2017 at 9:47 AM, edatlanta said:

I started on the new Verizon unlimited plan last month and my current usage since my billing cycle started 2-20-17:

 

Smart phone usage 0.88 gb

JetPack usage 31.53 gb

Total 9.5 days 32.4 gb

 

I have noticed no slow down even though I am well over whatever the jetpack limit it, but then I am in a rural area. Throttling isn't the term Verizon uses, but it seems to be the term used here. Whatever they call it it hasn't impacted me and I'm very happy with the new plan and quality of service.

 

I have noticed a little bit of latency occasionally when I click on something, but no more than before I switched from my 30gb plan.

Update 3-15-2017:

Current Usage Since Last Billing:

Smartphone:  1.9gb

Jetpack:    65.25gb

Total:   67.14gb

This billing cycle ends on 3-19 so 5 more days of usage.

I have not noticed any slow down in speed, but as I stated previously latency is present on occasion, but no more or longer than before the switch to the unlimited plan.

I'm very happy with this new plan.

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22 hours ago, Aggie79-82a said:

edatlanta, where are you currently located?  City or rural?  The Verizon rep stated throttling should only be a issue in cities due the concentration of devices/phones.  Of course, his lips were moving.

I am in a rural area, but the tower I access is right on I-20 just west of Tuscaloosa, AL.  So it is no doubt not as congested as some in major metropolitan areas.  For the record Verizon states in everything I have read in their terms and conditions that they DO NOT THROTTLE.  They say they reserve the right to prioritize the downloads if a congestion issue occurs, but that once your download starts it is at full 4G LTE speed or whatever the max d/l speed is for that site.  I would view that more as latency if it occurs which I have seen in wireless for years with all companies.  It certainly hasn't been an issue for me with the new Verizon plan and the price is right also.

 

With two days remaining on my current billing cycle my usage is:

Smartphone     2.12 gb

Jetpack            69.14gb

Total                 71.26gb

 

All streaming functions perfectly normal including Netflix in the late afternoon/evening.

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52 minutes ago, edatlanta said:

I am in a rural area, but the tower I access is right on I-20 just west of Tuscaloosa, AL.  So it is no doubt not as congested as some in major metropolitan areas.  For the record Verizon states in everything I have read in their terms and conditions that they DO NOT THROTTLE.  They say they reserve the right to prioritize the downloads if a congestion issue occurs, but that once your download starts it is at full 4G LTE speed or whatever the max d/l speed is for that site.  I would view that more as latency if it occurs which I have seen in wireless for years with all companies.  It certainly hasn't been an issue for me with the new Verizon plan and the price is right also.

 

With two days remaining on my current billing cycle my usage is:

Smartphone     2.12 gb

Jetpack            69.14gb

Total                 71.26gb

 

All streaming functions perfectly normal including Netflix in the late afternoon/evening.

I would disagree with you on two of your points.

First, a rural tower can be just as congested or more so if everyone in the area is depending on the tower for their internet needs.  In more populated areas, there may be multiple towers covering an area so that the actual number of users is less per cell than in the rural area you compare it to.  There's no way you can make a blanket statement that rural towers aren't as congested as city towers.

Second, Verizon has stated repeatedly that they will indeed throttle.  Each phone or tablet gets 22 gb of data before deprioritization kicks in.  Deprioritization is not throttling.  However, each device only gets 10 gb of hotspot usage before throttling to 3g speeds.  I believe Verizon has said that speed would be 600 kbs.  It's still on the 4g network, but it's definitely throttled and they have been very upfront about it.

 

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I don't have anything to add about the throttling part of this conversation.  However, I've been wondering about the "hotspot" limit of 10GB. The reason I've wondered is because we have a Mifi hotspot.

I called yesterday and talked to one of the people about our account specifically. We have 2 Galaxy S7 and a Jetpack MiFi 7730L.  We had a 30GB shared data plan that we had to watch pretty closely when there was no park wifi available. (We went over once, which was expensive.)

Yesterday I switched us over to the "Unlimited" Data plan.  Each device (phones and MiFi) gets 22GB of data, for a total of 66GB, and we got it for $16.88 less than we were paying previously for 30GB.

For what it's worth, we're pretty happy fulltime RVers.

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On 3/18/2017 at 5:31 PM, RaqiGirl said:

I don't have anything to add about the throttling part of this conversation.  However, I've been wondering about the "hotspot" limit of 10GB. The reason I've wondered is because we have a Mifi hotspot.

I called yesterday and talked to one of the people about our account specifically. We have 2 Galaxy S7 and a Jetpack MiFi 7730L.  We had a 30GB shared data plan that we had to watch pretty closely when there was no park wifi available. (We went over once, which was expensive.)

Yesterday I switched us over to the "Unlimited" Data plan.  Each device (phones and MiFi) gets 22GB of data, for a total of 66GB, and we got it for $16.88 less than we were paying previously for 30GB.

For what it's worth, we're pretty happy fulltime RVers.

I too am full time RV and have been for a little over 7 years and this unlimited data plan is great for me after about six weeks or so and one complete billing cycle.  I had their 30gb plan also and like you had to be careful.  I know we can all pick apart their terms and conditions, etc. but what matters to me is how does it work in my day to day situation which is what I was posting.  After using 70gb on my jetpack during the month I never had a problem with speed at any point during this period.  As I said earlier Netflix still worked the same during the last few days as it did during the first 10gb of data usage during the month so if it was "throttled" it wasn't enough to notice from my end.

I know as do most of us that terms and conditions are written by lawyers and may or may not have much similarity to real world conditions which is what I was writing about.  I do know one thing, my experience was nowhere near the doom and gloom others have written about when picking apart this new plan.  My jetpack didn't suddenly stop working at 10gb or even slow down.  Nothing happened to it at 22gb usage either.  Maybe it will come and maybe not.  I just know it is working great and I am very happy with it.

 

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2 hours ago, edatlanta said:

I know we can all pick apart their terms and conditions, etc. but what matters to me is how does it work in my day to day situation which is what I was posting.  After using 70gb on my jetpack during the month I never had a problem with speed at any point during this period.  As I said earlier Netflix still worked the same during the last few days as it did during the first 10gb of data usage during the month so if it was "throttled" it wasn't enough to notice from my end.

I know as do most of us that terms and conditions are written by lawyers and may or may not have much similarity to real world conditions which is what I was writing about.  I do know one thing, my experience was nowhere near the doom and gloom others have written about when picking apart this new plan.  My jetpack didn't suddenly stop working at 10gb or even slow down.  Nothing happened to it at 22gb usage either.  Maybe it will come and maybe not.  I just know it is working great and I am very happy with it.

 

Your experience is very much like others who signed up for this plan have had, no throttling or deprioritizing.............yet  That's great, I hope it stays that way.

However, what you wrote was that Verizon states in it's terms and conditions that it does not throttle.  That's just not true, and anyone who is considering signing up for this plan needs to understand that Verizon has stated in the terms they do have the right and intend to throttle hotspot usage after 10 gb.  This is widely publicized and well known.  There's nothing wrong with people pointing that fact out to others so that others can make informed decisions.  That's not "picking apart this plan" or "doom and gloom", that's simply stating the facts and trying to be helpful.

Here is the link to the New Verizon Plan FAQ's.  FAQ #1 has the terms spelled out clearly.  https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/new-verizon-plan-unlimited-faqs/

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, chirakawa said:

Your experience is very much like others who signed up for this plan have had, no throttling or deprioritizing.............yet  That's great, I hope it stays that way.

However, what you wrote was that Verizon states in it's terms and conditions that it does not throttle.  That's just not true, and anyone who is considering signing up for this plan needs to understand that Verizon has stated in the terms they do have the right and intend to throttle hotspot usage after 10 gb.  This is widely publicized and well known.  There's nothing wrong with people pointing that fact out to others so that others can make informed decisions.  That's not "picking apart this plan" or "doom and gloom", that's simply stating the facts and trying to be helpful.

Here is the link to the New Verizon Plan FAQ's.  FAQ #1 has the terms spelled out clearly.  https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/new-verizon-plan-unlimited-faqs/

 

 

 

 

You keep playing lawyer and I will keep enjoying my new plan.


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I think what chirakawa is saying is someone shouldn't sign a 2 year contract on a hotspot expecting it to not throttle after 10 GB down the road, as that is the contract your agreeing to, that verizon can throttle after 10GB to 3G speeds of 600 kpbs. AT&T hotspot addons are unlimited with no throttle limit so hopefully that competition will keep verizon from implementing it. I still wouldn't sign a 2 year contract though, just purchase the hotspot outright that way if they do start throttling you can just cancel the line.

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3 hours ago, lexidog said:

I think what chirakawa is saying is someone shouldn't sign a 2 year contract on a hotspot expecting it to not throttle after 10 GB down the road, as that is the contract your agreeing to, that verizon can throttle after 10GB to 3G speeds of 600 kpbs. AT&T hotspot addons are unlimited with no throttle limit so hopefully that competition will keep verizon from implementing it. I still wouldn't sign a 2 year contract though, just purchase the hotspot outright that way if they do start throttling you can just cancel the line.

Who said I signed a 2 year contract?  I certainly didn't.

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Just went t o the unlimited Verizon plan last week and upgraded t o the Verizon mi Fi 7730L-D8FA. My bill from the unlimited talk and text  40 gig went down 20.00.

We have 3 devices . We get 22Gig of un throttled data PER DEVICE. Verizon does throttle   IF the tower you are on is congested, if not you will not throttle.  We are on multiple towers all over the country sometimes several in a day. We doubt  we will see much slowdown.

It was difficult to find a Verizon rep that knew exactly what the unlimited plan was and how it worked.If we talked to 3 reps we would most likely get three  different answers. It took a couple of months a lot of internet  homework and long talks with several Verizon reps to come t o a conclusion of how it really worked. They are getting better now.

 

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18 minutes ago, edatlanta said:

Who said I signed a 2 year contract?  I certainly didn't.

No one said you did, many people(like me) don't post much and just read, posting information accurately is just being courteous to the lurkers. Its great to post your experience with something though just should also make sure to preface the actual plan.

Just like every time I call directv about my bill they always give some sort of credit, but to tell people directv ALWAYS gives out credits would be misleading, but my experience is they do.

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15 hours ago, chirakawa said:

However, what you wrote was that Verizon states in it's terms and conditions that it does not throttle.  That's just not true, and anyone who is considering signing up for this plan needs to understand that Verizon has stated in the terms they do have the right and intend to throttle hotspot usage after 10 gb.  This is widely publicized and well known.  There's nothing wrong with people pointing that fact out to others so that others can make informed decisions.  That's not "picking apart this plan" or "doom and gloom", that's simply stating the facts and trying to be helpful.

Here is the link to the New Verizon Plan FAQ's.  FAQ #1 has the terms spelled out clearly.  https://www.verizonwireless.com/support/new-verizon-plan-unlimited-faqs/

 

 

 

 

I think that there's a fine distinction which you are not taking into account.  The Jetpack/MiFi is NOT a hotspot in the sense that using the hotspot feature of your phone.  The Jetpack/MiFi has its own line and so is like having a phone on your account. 

I asked specifically about this and have it in writing.

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