JohnNJean Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 I've have a 2002 Kubota B2410 that I bought new. I generally only use it a couple of hours a month, but the convenience of having it there is priceless. Same way for the 3 pt backhoe - I'm not going to spend a couple of hours hooking up my trailer and running down to the rental place every time I want to plant a tree. Besides that, I enjoy sitting on a backhoe and find it relaxing - takes your mind off everything else. The Kubota just runs. Fill it with fuel and change oil occassionally. I agree completely with the commenters who recommended a box blade for grading. The comment about the blade following every up and down of the front end is absolutely correct, but something you'll learn to handle with practice. Be careful of a two axle box blade if it doesn't have scarifiers - the scarifiers are necessary to tear up and level pot holes. If you don't rip up the subsurface you'll still have the same holes. I clear brush more than do dirt work and that is hard on loader hoses. I'm lucky to have a good hydraulics shop just ten minutes away and they know what they're doing. Every time I've needed a hose on a weekend and gone to any of the auto parts shops that make hoses, either the "hose guy" has been off that day. Or, on the rare occassions they are actually there, they've screwed it up and the hose leaked. Quote ****************************************************** John, Jean and (the late) Molly & Mea (the puppy) Springer Spaniels 2016 F250 CCSB w/Andersen Ultimate Hitch 2014 Shasta Phoenix 27RL XLT BataanMissing.com - AirSafety.com ****************************************************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Like all things to do with "property" "storage" "acreage" - thoroughly research, investigate, spreadsheet the exact machine "yer ever gonna need", then go 30% bigger.Had that in mind thanks while having one still small enough to use around houses Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenacres Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Check out tractor data com. I have a 2008 Massey that is built by iseki tractor of Japan my last iseki lasted 40 years. For attachments check out woodmaxx.com I have their sb60 snow blower and it's built like the brick out house Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Check out tractor data com. I have a 2008 Massey that is built by iseki tractor of Japan my last iseki lasted 40 years. For attachments check out woodmaxx.com I have their sb60 snow blower and it's built like the brick out houseOk thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrap Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 0% on the Deere R's this month! I was down looking at trading my 4200 last week for something with a DPF, but I'll probably never actually go through with it. I use it all the time but it is only a short few hours in the summer where it is mowing or tilling something hard for more than an hour straight. So all the smoke from short and shuttle work is starting to get real annoying. But then again, that is probably the worst condition to put a DPF tractor in as well. It seems like I use it mostly as a big wheelbarrow but that's probably because moving rocks, digging post holes, tilling stuff, etc, etc is such a non-event that I don't even remember doing it much of the time. I hate my brush hog and if I'm using it that means I way missed all my spring work. I tried a finish mower and hated that too. I lay out my mowing like I'm driving combine and 3pt mowers rigid in the back just worked backwards from what I want. I ended up getting a whole separate Deere front mount mower but looked real close at adding a mid-mower to the 4200. Some of the new smaller Deere's can't add a mid PTO so be careful of that if you are thinking a mid mower. I keep it in a container so I need to fold the ROPS every time it goes in. Some of the bigger Deere's don't have a folding ROPS so be careful of that too. Also if you can credit the box blade toward a Harley rake (or whatever Frontier calls it) you'd be way ahead - especially in the sand down there. They clean up a mean gravel road and work pretty darn good to get anything you've dug up ready for grass as well. County doesn't allow any bare soil up here where I'm at so everything you do needs to end up grass-ready so it is pretty useful up here. Anyways, my 4200 has been flawless for the 15 years I've had it, but that's not to say there are plenty of things I should be fixing on it. If I were to trade it for something it'd probably end up in the 30hp range as I think it would be a better size. I would definitely not go any smaller on it though. It has been pretty friggen handy and I can't imagine being without it. That's on 7 acres in the mud up here, but I swear I'm over at all of the neighbors places more often than mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) The price goes way up over 38hp. 25hp and under means no DPF and I like that,less to go wrong. What I like about the 3E tractors is the E stands for economy, which means less bells and whistles like cruise control but far less electronics to go wrong. I'd want all the good stuff if I ran it all day like a lot of you but simple and more reliable is more important for my use. Edited February 12, 2017 by broncohauler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 For driveway material I had crushed concrete. I would have to work it every couple of months. I got a deal on chipped asphalt and that was the best material. I didn't have to rework it for over 1 1/2 years. No potholes developed. It was great. Quote Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 For driveway material I had crushed concrete. I would have to work it every couple of months. I got a deal on chipped asphalt and that was the best material. I didn't have to rework it for over 1 1/2 years. No potholes developed. It was great.I've used both also 3/4 rock. I like chipped asphalt best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 The Deere is winning so far unless someone changes my mind and I do thank everyone for your help. 3) dealers in my area 2 of them do repairs. Kubota only one dealer I not impressed by. Kubota I'm told you pay for Warrenty work up front then get reimbursed. Deere no out of pocket,'that's big. Masey we have one dealer for sales and one other for repairs. Not exited about that. Deere made in USA except motor? Kubota made now in USA don't know how much of it. ? Masey made in USA now I'm told bought out by Alis chambers ? Mihunda made in India parts hard to get? Branson no local dealers foreign made? Deere just feels better and more comfortable, The down side but worth it is the new 2017 tractors won't be here till April, but for $ 3k savings over 2016 model that have DPF and egr. I'll just wait. If anyone else has input jump in. Thanks Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenacres Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Nothing wrong with John Deere. But even John Deere won't stand behind their manure spreaders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick & Alana Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Keep in mind tractor engine horse power vs PTO output HP. 3 point implements are rated at PTO out hp. Now if your just blading that's not a problem. Quote Rick and Alana Fulltimers 2018 Newmar Ventana 4037 2020 Jeep Gladiator 1997 Jeep TJ 2009 Mobile Suites 36RSSB3 formerly owned 2000 Volvo 770, 600 Cummins ISX,18 speed autoshift, 14 foot "garage" ET,Jackalopee,MaxBrake,Pressure Pro pro www.rickandalanasgreatadventures.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 In the real world, hp isn't that important, as long as you're reasonably close. I pull a 15' bat-wing Bush Hog with a little 2030 Deere, rated at about 60ish pto. When in tough conditions, I go pretty slow. I've also pulled that same mower with 180 hp. Drive shafts can be fragile............... PTO hp typically is about 80% of engine. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 We have a JD 3038 with the E-hydro at the campground. Over 1000 hrs on it and the only thing done to it is filter changes and fluids. It always runs, even in VERY cold weather. The E-shift is worth every penny if you are using the loader much. I've used LOTS and lots of tractors and skids in my life. This tractor is as good - in its class - as any I've used. Including Kubota. But ours is old enough not to have DEF on it. Just now buying a JD skid. I have literally thousands of hours on skids and the JD is as good as is out there. For the dollar. I'm not even really a JD "guy", but I can't complain about their reliability. It is important to buy something where you have LOCAL service, though. So that may alter your selection. Quote Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Nothing wrong with John Deere. But even John Deere won't stand behind their manure spreaders. What's the problem there having?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 Keep in mind tractor engine horse power vs PTO output HP. 3 point implements are rated at PTO out hp. Now if your just blading that's not a problem. The PTO is only 19hp will this handle a 48-60" brush mower. Very little use on about 5 acres. Almost all work is with a blade or may build a log splitter if it can handle it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 12, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 We have a JD 3038 with the E-hydro at the campground. Over 1000 hrs on it and the only thing done to it is filter changes and fluids. It always runs, even in VERY cold weather. The E-shift is worth every penny if you are using the loader much. I've used LOTS and lots of tractors and skids in my life. This tractor is as good - in its class - as any I've used. Including Kubota. But ours is old enough not to have DEF on it. Just now buying a JD skid. I have literally thousands of hours on skids and the JD is as good as is out there. For the dollar. I'm not even really a JD "guy", but I can't complain about their reliability. It is important to buy something where you have LOCAL service, though. So that may alter your selection. Jack thanks your just the one I needed here. The 3032 and new 3025 use all the same components and frame as your 3038 except horsepower. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpydoc Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 I took it as a joke,standing behind a manure spreader, Yuck best wishes ,Jay Quote 2015 Continental Coach Elegance by Forks RV, 41'; 2015 FL M2 112, DD 13, by 2L Custom Trucks; Trailer Saver air hitch; '48 Navigoddess with a Rand McNally GPS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buscrusher Posted February 12, 2017 Report Share Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) What's the problem there having??The answer to this is a question... Would YOU stand behind a manure spreader...?(especially if it was loaded and running...LOL) Edited to say Sorry...somebody else beat me to it before I got this posted...) Edited February 12, 2017 by buscrusher Quote DougFrequent "lurker"Occasional posterFirst step towards the RV setup complete: 1 smart car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncohauler Posted February 13, 2017 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 The answer to this is a question... Would YOU stand behind a manure spreader...?(especially if it was loaded and running...LOL) Edited to say Sorry...somebody else beat me to it before I got this posted...) Ok you guys got it all over me on that one?Like carrying gas in a styrofoam cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rickeieio Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 There's plenty of manure being slung about, even without a spreader. Quote KW T-680, POPEMOBILE Newmar X-Aire, VATICAN Lots of old motorcycles, Moto Guzzi Griso and Spyder F3 currently in the front row Young enough to play in the dirt as a retired farmer. contact me at rickeieio1@comcast.net Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Av8r3400 Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 The info about the Kubota warranty calling for prepayment is wrong. Theirs is a warranty like all others. Covered repairs are paid for by Kubota. If the dealer is requiring pre-payment, they are operating out of the norm and should be reported to Kubota. I'm not a Deere fan. You pay a lot of money for the name and green paint. They seem to be over engineered and often far more complex than they need to be, even their basic tractors. All of this being said, the dealer is the most important part of the transaction. You need to be comfortable with them first. The tractor/vehicle second. Quote Av8r34002012 Volvo VNL 730 D13 iShift & 2021 Grand Design Momentum 397TH I'd rather die trying to live - Than live trying not to die. -Leonard Perry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Williams Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 You'll be fine with either Kubota or Deere. I've had a Deere 3320 for 10 years and never had any need to go back to the dealer for any repairs. I used to go to the dealer to get filters, but I get them from Amazon now. Never had any problems from it. It has the E-Hydro transmission and a front loader. The two pedal E-Hydro is really nice when using the loader. My brother has a slightly smaller Kubota, with a front loader. He runs it on a very hilly area so he had smaller, wider tires installed to lower the center of gravity and widen the foot print. He really likes it and has had no problems from it. On my 3320 I use a 5 ft finishing mower, 5 ft brush cutter, 5 ft tiller, 5 ft box scraper or a 5 ft spike aerator. I would like to have a PTO generator, but my PTO output is a bit shy on horsepower to to run a generator of any good size. Quote 2006 Freightliner M2-112 Sportchassis 2015 Keystone Raptor 412-TS Lots of motorcycles and toys Murfreesboro, TN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNJean Posted February 13, 2017 Report Share Posted February 13, 2017 The PTO is only 19hp will this handle a 48-60" brush mower. Very little use on about 5 acres. Almost all work is with a blade or may build a log splitter if it can handle it. My B2410 is 24 engine hp, 19 PTO hp and it pulls a 5' bush hog no problem. You will need to slow down in tall thick grass, though. Quote ****************************************************** John, Jean and (the late) Molly & Mea (the puppy) Springer Spaniels 2016 F250 CCSB w/Andersen Ultimate Hitch 2014 Shasta Phoenix 27RL XLT BataanMissing.com - AirSafety.com ****************************************************** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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