NEW FIREARM LAWS IN CALIFORNIA

[Steve from SoCal]

As a fourth generation Californian I am sad but not surprised by the responses here. I have family that were founding members of the Sunkist co-op, my dad after WWII ran cows in what is now the area around Sherwood Country Club. It IS a different place now however, much of the trouble you read about is in urban areas. The inner cities and barrio are not the place for tourist of any place. The scourge of rural America; methheads are present here as well but, all in all California is still a nice place to be.

 

It is a state of great contrast, with all the liberal fanfare 7~8 of the most conservative places in the country are here in California. Yes we have some absurd laws and regulations, there are left wing fruits and nut as well a right wing nut jobs. A big part of the problem is folks from other places who have changed our state. As Thomas Wolfe said "you can never go home again" In spite of all this; there is STILL plenty to do and see here. Just pretend your going to a foreign country!

 

By the way, my sister IS a criminal defense attorney for L.A. county, a preponderance of crime is in the worst parts of town. Don't go there and your as safe as anywhere else "statistically"

[MrSeas]

What Steve said.....

[Alie&Jim's Carrilite]

Having a thought here if folks can follow-

Since a Concealed Carry permit is in the federal database, and most states that I know of attach the CCp to your license, is this going allow Cali to "Confiscate" more weapons from persons traveling thru that don't understand the new laws, but have a loaded handgun in their vehicle which in any other state would be legal.

Say you are in a wreck, you get rear-ended at a traffic light, no injuries and not your fault. The officer that is called asks for both licenses and then you get asked if you have a weapon in your possession. Saying yes gets you arrested because you were honest but hadn't read the latest state statues. Saying no gets you searched for "pick a reasonable cause" and you go to jail.

[Broncohauler]

Guys I've said it before. I've lived in CA my whole life. Yes some of the laws are a pain and the DMV well they really never mind.

But just use common sense. I don't see a problem with putting your hand guns in a small safe or having a trigger lock. Most toy haulers have a lift up master bed there you go.

If you feel you need to CC while vacationing here you probably picked a bad vacation spot.

If you go to the beach, what do you plan to do with your gun then?? I wouldn't recommend taking it out on the sand or feel that you need too.

I would worry more about some one breaking into my truck or trailer and stealing it. More the Reason for a bolted down hand gun safe.

As I recall DOT law states you can't have any weapons or alcohol in a truck at anytime.

When I travel yes I have a weapon and yes it's well hidden and locked in transport.

Just be smart and keep it in your trailer unloaded and locked.

[Larry&Donna-AK]

Steve, I believe you. Now if you can keep "those folks from other places" from migrating out of your State. LOL

Seriously, everyone should visit the natural wonders of California at least once in their lifetime. Just have to play by some dumb rules and the crowds while visiting.

[Big5er]

But just use common sense. I don't see a problem with putting your hand guns in a small safe or having a trigger lock. Most toy haulers have a lift up master bed there you go. Might as well not have one. When the need arises, having one locked away and unloaded does no good. Sort of like having your fire extinguisher locked away and discharged.

If you feel you need to CC while vacationing here you probably picked a bad vacation spot. For the most part I haven't left home without one on my person in 30 years. Don't plan to start now.

If you go to the beach, what do you plan to do with your gun then?? That would be a very special occasion. I wouldn't recommend taking it out on the sand or feel that you need too.

I would worry more about some one breaking into my truck or trailer and stealing it.More reason to carry it with you. More the Reason for a bolted down hand gun safe.

As I recall DOT law states you can't have any weapons or alcohol in a truck at anytime. Wrong

When I travel yes I have a weapon and yes it's well hidden and locked in transport. Again, hidden does no good what-so-ever. Sometime take a look at the right side of the drivers seat in my HDT. If I am driving that holster is occupied. If I leave the truck, so does the pistol.

Just be smart and keep it in your trailer unloaded and locked. Not gonna happen. Thanks to GWB that is an issue I do not have to worry about, even in California. I'm just glad I am not a civilian.

[Larry&Donna-AK]

Big5er, Yep carrying concealed and loaded, even if you're Retired, in any State is a non issue in your world because of your Law Enforcement. I was surprised to learn of this benefit a while back.

[Newt]

As a fourth generation Californian I am sad but not surprised by the responses here. I have family that were founding members of the Sunkist co-op, my dad after WWII ran cows in what is now the area around Sherwood Country Club. It IS a different place now however, much of the trouble you read about is in urban areas. The inner cities and barrio are not the place for tourist of any place. The scourge of rural America; methheads are present here as well but, all in all California is still a nice place to be.

 

It is a state of great contrast, with all the liberal fanfare 7~8 of the most conservative places in the country are here in California. Yes we have some absurd laws and regulations, there are left wing fruits and nut as well a right wing nut jobs. A big part of the problem is folks from other places who have changed our state. As Thomas Wolfe said "you can never go home again" In spite of all this; there is STILL plenty to do and see here. Just pretend your going to a foreign country!

 

By the way, my sister IS a criminal defense attorney for L.A. county, a preponderance of crime is in the worst parts of town. Don't go there and your as safe as anywhere else "statistically"

 

That's a problem in a lot of popular places. People from where ever move in and then try to change it to like where they came from!

 

Newt

[Broncohauler]

 

That's a problem in a lot of popular places. People from where ever move in and then try to change it to like where they came from!

 

Newt

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[GeorgiaHybrid]

Jim,

 

Just for the record, the feds do not have a database of concealed carry license holders. Some states do not require a license to carry concealed and others (like my home state of Georgia) make it against the law for the state to have a database of weapons permit holders. In Georgia, they are issued by the county probate judge and they are forbidden to send anything other than the total number issued in their county to the state.

 

Like another civilian on here has stated, a gun locked up with the ammo separate is worthless. You would be better served with a baseball bat or just begging for your life. What I carry and how many depends on the situation and the place and state I am located in. If I have pants on and I am not in an aircraft, I am carrying. Most of the time with a primary and a secondary pistol. I have carried since the early 70's and have NEVER had to pull a weapon on another person and hope that I never do, I am prepared and practice regularly however in case the need should ever arise. I will say that if you do decide to carry, practice often (at least once a month and then at least 50 rounds) and understand what it means if you are ever forced to use your handgun.

 

And as far as the beach goes, yes, even on the beach. The only thing that changes is the size and capacity of the weapons carried. You would be surprised how easy it is to conceal a Seecamp.

 

Stupid? Maybe. But then again, the crazies of the world do not let you know when or where they will start shooting or why. The safety of my family and myself is my responsibility in the short term in an emergency situation until help can arrive. Like they say, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

 

I still remember one lady that was horrified to see me open carrying a pistol and said I was paranoid. I replied back "Why should I be paranoid? I have a gun." she just stood there for a second with a very confused look on her face and then just walked away.

[Big5er]

Like another civilian on here has stated, a gun locked up with the ammo separate is worthless.

You know how much I enjoy a good debate but this horse was dead before it left the gate.

You claimed else where that "by definition" only the military are not civilians. You might wanna double check your facts (and your "definition") before you insert your foot somewhere it will not taste so pleasant.

 

Definition of civilian

1: a specialist in Roman or modern civil law

2: one not on active duty in the armed services or not on a police or firefighting force

noun

1. a person who is not on active duty with a military, naval, police, or fire fighting organization.

2. (Informal) anyone regarded by members of a profession, interest group, society, etc., as not belonging; nonprofessional; outsider:

We need a producer to run the movie studio, not some civilian from the business world.

3. a person versed in or studying Roman or civil law.

1. A person not in the armed services or the police force.

1.1 (informal) A person who is not a member of a particular profession or group, as viewed by a member of that group:

I talk to a lot of actresses and they say that civilians are scared of them

of, relating to, or being a person who is not a member of the police, the armed forces, or a fire department:

the civilian population or

civilian workers/employees

Should I go on?

 

Apology accepted.

[Alie&Jim's Carrilite]

North Carolina had a different view of the CCP back when we were residents here.

 

And I too cannot find enough eye bleach when needed.... A Seecamp and a Speedo....

[GeorgiaHybrid]

North Carolina had a different view of the CCP back when we were residents here.

 

And I too cannot find enough eye bleach when needed.... A Seecamp and a Speedo....

Heaven forbid, I even left board shorts behind a long time ago as being to revealing.

[Steve from SoCal]

 

 

And as far as the beach goes, yes, even on the beach. The only thing that changes is the size and capacity of the weapons carried. You would be surprised how easy it is to conceal a Seecamp.

Wow,

 

If a PPK/s is a Poodle gun, what is that a Chihuahua gun?

 

Steve

[GeorgiaHybrid]

 

Apology accepted.

 

None was offered Phil.

 

From Chapter 18, Title 10 United States Code concerning the military and civilian police officers.

 

"373. Training and advising civilian law enforcement officials

The Secretary of Defense may, in accordance with other applicable law, make Department of Defense personnel available—

(1) to train Federal, State, and local civilian law enforcement officials in the operation and maintenance of equipment, including equipment made available under section 372 of this title; and

(2) to provide such law enforcement officials with expert advice relevant to the purposes of this chapter."

 

There are multiple examples in the US code but the final arbitrator would be the following:

 

The term civilian is often used by members of the servant government and media to include the civilian police but this usage is incorrect since police are civilians subject to civil law and not military law. This continues to be an ongoing misuse of the term "civilian"

 

Phil,

 

This is one of the main reasons we have some of the issues we have today in this country. Our police have evolved into a "us vs them" mentality to the point they will cover up and protect officers that are in the wrong. Even in the rare cases where an officer is fired from a department, they can go down the road to the next town and get hired right back on a department and start the same abusive behavior again. Until a semblance of responsibility is infused into our police departments, the attitudes on both sides will continue to deteriorate.

 

Just look at the local departments around the country. They have been given Armored personnel carriers, mine resistant vehicles, full auto M4 rifles and a host of other equipment. This militarization of the police forces in this country needs to stop before it gets any worse than it is. We just had an issue in Chattanooga where two officers were serving papers at a house and observed one man inside wearing a pistol. 7 hours later, one APC, multiple snipers deployed, SWAT called out, one major route shut down during rush hour traffic and someone finally decided to find out what the man had done.

 

Oops, so sorry, he had done NOTHING illegal and the police had to stand down and leave. Their comment to the news? We had an appropriate response to the situation. The issue with having all of these neat toys it that it soon comes a desire to use them as often as they can to justify their existence.

 

Would love to discuss this sometime over a Dr Pepper but this is one case we will probably never agree on.

 

David

[GeorgiaHybrid]

Wow,

 

If a PPK/s is a Poodle gun, what is that a Chihuahua gun?

 

Steve

 

Steve,

 

The little Seecamp is a lot smaller than the PPK/S Which is the larger version of the PPK) my backup 9mm is the same size or a little smaller than a PPK/S. My normal BUG is a Rohrbaugh R9 with some sort of a 1911 as a primary.

 

David

[TCW]

...I love to bird hunt with my three pups and I would like a secure place to lock up my 16ga, side-by-side, shotgun and perhaps another long gun...

Any ideas or suggestions would be greatly appreciated...

Look at the spaces under the sofa, under the bed or under the dinette benches. I have bolted good quality metal combination lock gun cases to the floor in such locations in our last three RVs. For a side-by-side or over and under you do not need that much space if they are stored broken down.

[Striper]

 

Phil,

 

This is one of the main reasons we have some of the issues we have today in this country. Our police have evolved into a "us vs them" mentality to the point they will cover up and protect officers that are in the wrong. Even in the rare cases where an officer is fired from a department, they can go down the road to the next town and get hired right back on a department and start the same abusive behavior again. Until a semblance of responsibility is infused into our police departments, the attitudes on both sides will continue to deteriorate.

 

Just look at the local departments around the country. They have been given Armored personnel carriers, mine resistant vehicles, full auto M4 rifles and a host of other equipment. This militarization of the police forces in this country needs to stop before it gets any worse than it is. We just had an issue in Chattanooga where two officers were serving papers at a house and observed one man inside wearing a pistol. 7 hours later, one APC, multiple snipers deployed, SWAT called out, one major route shut down during rush hour traffic and someone finally decided to find out what the man had done.

 

Oops, so sorry, he had done NOTHING illegal and the police had to stand down and leave. Their comment to the news? We had an appropriate response to the situation. The issue with having all of these neat toys it that it soon comes a desire to use them as often as they can to justify their existence.

 

Would love to discuss this sometime over a Dr Pepper but this is one case we will probably never agree on.

 

David

Sorry to bust your bubble here, but Law Enforcement is one of the last places that this happens. One of the first places is in the Medical Field. If a Doctor is sued, one of the first things that happens is he is "Transferred" to another area where no one knows about his past.

 

Having worked with both Law Enforcement and Fire Departments in my past, I really do respect the overall job these folks do.

 

Will I take my Motor home through California again, NO. I lived the first 25 year of my life there and can truthfully say that the values I grew up with are vastly different from what they are today. Further, IF YOU LIVE THERE, STAY THERE. Quit moving somewhere else and using the excuse, " THAT'S NOT HOW WE DID IT WHERE I USED TO LIVE".

 

I my life time EX "KOMIEFORNIA FOLKS" have ruined Washington and Oregon. My take is "STAY THERE AND SUFFER, OR FIX, THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE CREATED".

 

Joe

 

Ok, I'm outta here

[Big5er]

David, the federal code differentiates between "civilian" and "military" police. But that does not create a definition. Using your logic, the military also works for the civilian government since we have no military government. The National Guard also works for the "civilian" government. So aren't they all "civilians" too? We do have a "Federal" government, but working for them does not make you a "non-civilian" either by definition or employment.

 

But that doesn't really matter, does it? You specifically stated "by definition" police were "civilians, just like you". And you were wrong. It's just that simple. I have supplied you with several "definitions" that show you are wrong. All you have supplied is a quote from a code that calls local police "civilian authorities" in contrast to the "military authorities". I am not military, but I am not a civilian either. Arson investigators are firemen, with law enforcement authority. But they are not policemen, they are firemen (they aren't civilians either..."by definition") who can arrest you, and issue you a speeding citation.

 

So again, you were wrong. And again, you are not even close to being anything like me. I will not explain the issues with your attitude, but will again state that people such as yourself are the reason I am so anxious to retire.

 

I find it amazing that probably 90% of the people on this forum have not had but 1 or 2 business contacts with a law enforcement officer, yet you have had all of these bad experiences. Hmm, maybe it's just you?

 

PS: Keep your Dr Pepper. I need no peace offering. You made yourself very clear and forum policy prohibits me from responding in a like manner. Lets just leave it at that.

[CDR]

Hdt'ers,

 

Wow the tension!

 

Good thing this is a "camping" forum!

 

 

Curt

[Aggie79-82a]

Just another in a long line of reasons to NOT GO to California!!

 

Joe

After reading this whole thread, I have to agree it is best to spend my money in other states.

[SuiteSuccess]

Sorry to bust your bubble here, but Law Enforcement is one of the last places that this happens. One of the first places is in the Medical Field. If a Doctor is sued, one of the first things that happens is he is "Transferred" to another area where no one knows about his past.

 

Having worked with both Law Enforcement and Fire Departments in my past, I really do respect the overall job these folks do.

 

Will I take my Motor home through California again, NO. I lived the first 25 year of my life there and can truthfully say that the values I grew up with are vastly different from what they are today. Further, IF YOU LIVE THERE, STAY THERE. Quit moving somewhere else and using the excuse, " THAT'S NOT HOW WE DID IT WHERE I USED TO LIVE".

 

I my life time EX "KOMIEFORNIA FOLKS" have ruined Washington and Oregon. My take is "STAY THERE AND SUFFER, OR FIX, THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE CREATED".

 

Joe

 

Ok, I'm outta here

Wrong! A physicians lawsuit experience is public record and can be viewed at multiple internet sites as well as the state's medical board site.

[Striper]

Wrong! A physicians lawsuit experience is public record and can be viewed at multiple internet sites as well as the state's medical board site.

Not wrong. The only way someone will learn about a Dr's past is if they do the digging. MOST FOLKS WILL NOT CHECK A DOCTOR'S CREDENTIALS ONLINE. They just ASSUME that as a Doctor he, or she, can do no wrong. Kinda like most of us were actually raised to believe. Remember that even though a person graduates dead last in their Medical Class, they are still called Doctor.

 

But Doctors are not the real discussion here. I will still vote with spending my money somewhere else other than in the state of California.

Joe

[Pappy Yokum]

Sorry to bust your bubble here, but Law Enforcement is one of the last places that this happens. One of the first places is in the Medical Field. If a Doctor is sued, one of the first things that happens is he is "Transferred" to another area where no one knows about his past.

 

Having worked with both Law Enforcement and Fire Departments in my past, I really do respect the overall job these folks do.

 

Will I take my Motor home through California again, NO. I lived the first 25 year of my life there and can truthfully say that the values I grew up with are vastly different from what they are today. Further, IF YOU LIVE THERE, STAY THERE. Quit moving somewhere else and using the excuse, " THAT'S NOT HOW WE DID IT WHERE I USED TO LIVE".

 

I my life time EX "KOMIEFORNIA FOLKS" have ruined Washington and Oregon. My take is "STAY THERE AND SUFFER, OR FIX, THE PROBLEMS YOU HAVE CREATED".

 

Joe

 

Ok, I'm outta here

 

Joe - obviously YOU didn't follow your own "advice"!

 

(Do as I say - not as - "I did")

 

The "problem" with CA is exactly what you claim to be the problem with WA & OR - people from "somewhere else"!

 

Look at the population stats (census) for 1970 (approx when you departed CA) -vs- 2014

 

Oregon 1970 - 2.0 mil

2014 - 3.8 million

 

Washington 1970 - 3.4 mil

2014 - 7.0 mil

 

California 1970 - 19.7 mil

2014 - 38.8 mil

 

Those folks in CA - are....YOU - calling the kettle black!

"They" had to come from "somewhere else" - and they keep on coming!

 

Oh - they're illegals, or??

Yeah, and "they" are causing the housing markets in CA to go out of sight - BIG bucks from "somewhere".

Building up-scale apartment and condos like crazy!

 

The So. CA city I worked for had the highest percentage of population growth in the United Sates (without any additional land or other acquisitions) between the 1960 and 1970 census - 110%

 

The respect:

One of those folks from "somewhere else" (Boston, MA) got elected to the city council. He formed a group, and influenced the city) to attempt take away a *large* portion of ....read carefully - the legally negotiated, vested retirement benefits of ALL city employees. He claimed it was an unfunded liability to/for the city.

Bad karma when you're retiring (I was in the process) - as well as recently retired employees!

His watchdog group was (officially named) the CBI - for the "Citizens Bureau of Investigation".

 

Although the city had 8 permanent attorneys on the payroll - they hired an outside firm to represent them (the city) through lengthy court actions (including appeals court) - which cost the taxpayers millions of dollars! (The city lost the case as well as the money - but left lots of people in limbo for 5 years!)

Of course the public didn't know that - and that same council member 'from somewhere else" is again in office.

 

YOUR bottom line is excellent - don't come to California!

Encourage your friends, acquaintances, and kin-folk to stay where they are!

Encourage the ones that are already here - leave now while the gettin' is good!

Housing should be less expensive (due to the "departures") in those other states.

 

BTW -

Glad *YOU* bailed out when you did! - ("I'm outta here")

 

Certainly WA (and/or) Oregon -and especially CA- is better for it.

 

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[Striper]

Oh Pappy, and you have no idea why i left when I did either. Just a bit of history, I was transferred by the company I worked for. I fought to stay, at the time, but the money was just to good not to go. Yes the state has had massive growth since I left in 69. The little town I grew up in, in the central valley, had 1,000 population when I left for the service in 61. Nobody locked their doors and most vehicles had the keys in the ignition. Fast forward to 2006 when I attended a Class Reunion. Little town had grown to 3,000 and looked like an Indian Reservation, ie Junk everywhere. Most houses had bars on the windows and multiple locks on the doors and my classmates that had stayed were all trying to sell out so they could leave.

 

So ya I bailed out on the state I was born in. And it no longer remotely resembles what it was back then. People seem to keep moving north out of there and I can't count the times I have heard them make the statement, "Well that's not how we did it where I used to live". Hence my remarks about the transplants ruining both Oregon and Washington. The values I came to Washington for are headed the way the values of California went many years ago. To many of us have sat back and let the new comers make changes that we do not agree with. It may be to late for all the states on the west coast of the country, but those of us that live in the more rural parts of this state do try to hold onto the values our country was built on. And we have raised our kids to think the same way. Washington is now pretty much run by the folks in 4 counties that take in the Seattle and Vancouver areas. Most of them came from somewhere else and many of them came from California. They started moving this way in the mid to late 80's.

 

As for visiting Ca, why would I want to spend money visiting a place that is so unfriendly. Your cops write tickets to people from out of state, while letting in state people drive even worse. ( I've experienced this one personally ) Now they have passed laws that could make a person a felon just for having a magazine for a gun that holds more than 10 rounds. Doesn't matter if it is legal in the state they actually live in. You elect people to office that say things like " We have to pass it to find out what's really in it". And people that call for you to turn in your guns while they keep theirs. Yes Feinstein did turn in a Saturday Night Special she got from somewhere while she kept the Ruger Blackhawk 357 that she carries in her purse. ( That was told by one of her PAID bodyguards ) So yes, the people of California need to try to clean up the mess they have made of the state.

 

Joe