Steve from SoCal Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I need tires for my new to me Teton Royal Atlanta, it weighs about 19K and has standard 16" wheels. It will be making a 1300 trip home and then sit for a while as I refresh it. I am looking for tires that will not be a problem on the delivery but, I am not looking for premium tire, I may eventually go to 17.5 Steve 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I have XPS Ribs x 6 on mine. I am just shy of 21k. Have 14kish on axles. I have no problems. There is no cheap tire to use temporary. It would cost you big time. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from SoCal Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I realize there are no "cheap" tires, are Goodyear Marathon load range E tires OK? I recall several people having issues with Goodyear tires. 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastercraft Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 XPS Ribs here as well. No problems with 15K on the axles. 2009 Volvo 780 D16 535hp 1850 ft-lbs I shift 3.36 Thermo King Tripac APU DIY Bed and Frame Extension ET Hitch, Stellar EC2000, EcoGen 6K 2002 F350 CC Dually w/ Lance 1181 2012 Mini Cooper S 2007 Teton Royal Freedom " The only place you will find success before work is the dictionary " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasFlyer Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I realize there are no "cheap" tires, are Goodyear Marathon load range E tires OK? I recall several people having issues with Goodyear tires. Steve, We have ran the Goodyear Marathon tires on our Weekend Warrior for several years with good results. I know a lot of other folks with Toy Haulers who run them as well. We went through a couple of other brand and series of tires when we first got the Toy Hauler and had issues. For what it it worth, John John Southern Nevada 2008 Volvo 780, D13, I-Shift 2017 Keystone Fuzion 420 Toyhauler 2017 Can-Am Maverick X3-RS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Had Marathons on Teton when I picked it up. Bulge after 80 mile trip. Tires were a year old. Marathons once we're American made, not anymore. I refuse to recommend them 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 There are a couple of others, Durus ?, that are commercial steel carcass tires. Some less costly. I would only use commercial steel carcass tires, period 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randyretired Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 X2 Randy 2001 Volvo VNL 42 Cummins ISX Autoshift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXiceman Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Look at the Hankook tires for their 16" G rated tire. These work out very well. Ken Amateur radio operator, 2023 Cougar 22MLS, 2022 F150 Lariat 4x4 Off Road, Sport trim <br />Travel with 1 miniature schnauzer, 1 standard schnauzer and one African Gray parrot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclord2002 Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 I think I would try hard to figure out how to go ahead with the 17.5's now. It would be like getting the price of the new 16's knocked off the total price. I do understand how finances influence our decisions, though. Wish you a trouble free trip whatever your decision. Be safe, Charlie Don't ever tell a soldier that he doesn't understand the cost of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 His rims are likely only rated fo 85#. G's need 110 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis M Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Michelin XPS Ribs on ours as well, love 'em. Dennis & NancyTucson, AZ in winter, on the road in summer.1999 Volvo 610 "Bud" 425 HP Volvo, Super 10 spd.2005 Mountain Aire 35 BLKS2013 smart fortwo CityFlame riding on Bud(Replaced '05 smart first loaded in '06 and '11 smart that gave it's life to save me!)Our Travel Blog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Verify the load rating you need bu weighing the trailer, per wheel. It doesn't matter how well somebody likes their tires if they don't have adequate capacity. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Steve, I'm thinking that Teton triple axle trailer is rated for more weight than that loaded! I'm with Charlie, and would go ahead and get the 17.5s now. You will be glad you did in the long run. Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 With the XPS he will have a 18k rating on the axles. That Teton will have over 5k on pin. He will have plenty of safety margin. Don't see spending money than needed. Yes 17.5 with commercial tires is better but when XPS has that much margin why? 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from SoCal Posted September 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 the trailer's weight per Teton is 22000 pounds total. even with a 15% tongue weight the axles should only have 6000 pounds on them ? 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 14, 2015 Report Share Posted September 14, 2015 Teton's pin is high. Mine is over 5k. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rdickinson Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 This tire business isn't making a whole lot of sense to me, here or on other threads. I was running 16.5's, 80 - 85 psi, somewhere around 3070 lbs per tire. X6 = 18420. Trailer is 22.5k, pin wt 20% or 4500 lbs which leaves 18k on 6 wheels. Granted that is close and doesn't allow for off balance left to rt etc. The suspension was upgraded to 7k Moreryde IS with 6" x17.5's rated at 4800 lbs at 120 or 125 psi. The Tire Guy as well a Kal Tire in Vancouver recommend somewhere between 110 and 120 psi ish. Fast forward to the chart posted last week. Figure the wt on the trailer axles divide by 6 = 3000 lbs per wheel. Going by memory the tire pressure recommended was in the 75 - 85 psi area. Is this not flying in the face of what is trying to be done, reducing sidewall flex?? We are running tires capable of 125 psi being run at 75-85 psi. That, in my opinion is like running 85 psi tires at 50 psi. Pretty much guaranteed to have sidewall flex and subsequent catastrophic failure. What did I improve or accomplish by switching? At this point they are still at 110 psi. Has the whole purpose of going to H's not been defeated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 I would vote for changing the tires and wheels only once. If you can manage to afford it get the 17.5 ties now. I can't see putting on cheap tires just to move it 1300 miles. You are basically throwing that money away if you are going to upgrade anyways. I did the upgrade about 1 1/2 years ago and have been quite happy with my Goodyear G114's and new rims. If you want to read about the conversion look at Mark Bruss's website. He did a good job with the research and I ended up with the same tires and rims that he did. Thanks Mark. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Fast forward to the chart posted last week. Figure the wt on the trailer axles divide by 6 = 3000 lbs per wheel. Going by memory the tire pressure recommended was in the 75 - 85 psi area. Is this not flying in the face of what is trying to be done, reducing sidewall flex?? We are running tires capable of 125 psi being run at 75-85 psi. That, in my opinion is like running 85 psi tires at 50 psi. Pretty much guaranteed to have sidewall flex and subsequent catastrophic failure. I understand it is confusing but the empirical data is that people with just enough tire load capacity tires running at Max Psi complain about the blowouts they have. People with commercial trailer tires with significantly stronger sidewalls have more than enough tire load capacity can run with the tire pressure at a lower number than Max Psi and don't have blowouts. There is a minimum pressure that inflates a tire to it size. Pressure, after that minimum, increases the tire load capacity as the tire is a fixed size. That range is where you can vary the pressure to fit the tire load capacity. If you are using a tire that gets the desired tire load capacity at Max Psi, you have no pressure margin. When you use a tire that has a lot more tire load capacity than is needed, then you can run at a pressure that obtains the tire load capacity needed while the tire remains in its fully inflated size. You do not increase tire flex. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from SoCal Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 After looking at the specs for the trailer it seems the axles are rated at 6000, unless I change the suspension I am limited by that feature. This is going to be my "trainer" fifth wheel, I want to be safe but, going to 17.5 wheels and tires seem redundant. The 16 tires I am looking at are rated at 3420~3670 per tire, that is 10% plus margin on the axle rating. I don't want to give the impression that I want to put cheap tires on it, I want to put suitable tires on it for the weight, I would also like to have 75 MPH rated tires. 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSeas Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Steve Do you have 6 or 8 lug spindles on your 6k axle? May make the decision easier.....if only 6 you need some additional hardware to run 8 lug 17.5 rims and tires. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 My Teton has 7k axles with 8k hubs and brakes. Teton done this on most units. Are you sure you have 6k? 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 15, 2015 Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 Share with us what you have. I have specs for all the years. Advailable to everyone on Teton Club site 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve from SoCal Posted September 15, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2015 It is a 1996 Teton Royal Atlanta and I am going by the info on the 1996 pages on the Teton Club site 2005 Peterbilt 387-112 Baby Cat 9 speed U-shift 1996/2016 remod Teton Royal Atlanta 1996 Kentucky 48 single drop stacker garage project Pulls like a train, sounds like a plane....faster than a Cheetah sniffin cocaine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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