GlennWest Posted September 8, 2015 Report Share Posted September 8, 2015 Wondering how it tows. The ones I looking at have C10, C12, C13 and C15. I want to stay with 10 or 12 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Our Cummins (not a Cat) M11 370 / 1350 lb 10 speed / 3:08 gears tows our moderate weight of +30 -34,000 lbs just fine and at 13.5 mpg it's a cheap ride. We don't push speed above 65 much so we have all the power we need at our moderate weights. Everywhere we travel we are pulling steep grades and we never lack for speed up the grades. Over 45,000 lbs might want a larger engine if you are in a hurry........ Drive on........(Moderate is..........ok) 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyates007 Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Glen there is also the 3406 cat motor that is the pre runner to the c15. I have a Kenworth with a 3406e Cat motor set at 450 horse and 1650 torque. I get about 9 mpg pulling my 38' Mobile Suites. This motor is substantially stronger than my ved12 Volvo at 425 hp was. I'm not sure that is a fair comparison though. This would be a pre 2002 non emissions motor though so it may be older than you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Actually I am going for pre emissions. Didn't see any 3406 listed though where I'm looking. Thank you 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D Posted September 9, 2015 Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Glenn, the C10 and C12 engines are physically the same engine, except for the internal differences in the bore and/or stroke that result in the different displacements and correspondingly lower or higher output levels. The C11 and C13 engines are built on the same block, but with a one piece, crossflow cylinder head and, of course, the ACERT dual turbos. When you say that you prefer trucks with "pre-emissions" engines, that requires some clarification. If you simply mean that you don't want a truck with DPF (EPA 07 engines and up), there will be a number of trucks with Ultrashifts to choose from, which, in medium-bore Cat engines, would be C11s and C13s. But, if you mean that you don't want to consider trucks with just Cooled EGR or ACERT (EPA 04 engines), then you're limited to considering only increasingly scarce FreedomLine-equipped trucks or a handful of even more scarce early Ultrashift trucks, with C10s and C12s. Phil 2002 Teton Royal Aspen 2003 Kenworth T2000 - Cat C12 380/430 1450/1650, FreedomLine, 3.36 - TOTO . . . he's not in Kansas anymore. ET Air Hitch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GlennWest Posted September 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 9, 2015 Thank you Phil. You have been a great help. I researched the ACERT engines and I don't want one. There are even law suits against Cat about them. Jordan Trucks have lots of C10s also. That is why I was asking. Has C12s also. Everything else is ACERT engines. He has C12s with Ultrashifts. Also C10s. They are factory singled too. All fleet maintained. I'm seriously considering one and was wondering about the power of the C10s. They are also somewhat short and I would have to add length for Smart bed. I'm a welder so that point is mute. 2003 Teton Grand Freedom towed with 2006 Freightliner Century 120 across the beautiful USA welding pipe.https://photos.app.goo.gl/O32ZjgzSzgK7LAyt1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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