Brad & Jacolyn Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I have looked in the Resource Guide and did not find the problem so here goes. For about the last month during the first start of the day the Volvo chugs and stumbles and makes white smoke for about 5 - 10 seconds and then smooth's out and runs fine. It almost sounds like she does not fire on all cylinders like maybe no fuel and then gets fuel and runs fine. Am I losing part of the prime over night or somewhere sucking a little air??? Like I said this is only on the first start of the day. Any suggestions guys? Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarome Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Sounds like you might have an injector or compression issue goin on there. Could be a leaking valve or sticky piston, too though. At any rate, you want to get that looked at as soon as you can. White smoke is from unburnt raw fuel going through your exhaust system. It's pretty typical for issues like that, on a cold start, to clear up as the engine warms, but I sure would't ignore it. It might just be a little fouling around the piston rings, but better safe than sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Brad, it sounds a little like my problem a couple of years ago. And it became worse as time went on. Injector cup had become bad on one, and an O ring on another. Coolant was mixing with fuel (and fuel mixing with coolant) and I "fogged" a couple of campgrounds before I got it fixed. I thought white smoke meant water being burned (steamed), blue was oil, and black was fuel! I probably have those mixed up. Since your repair is going to involve going "up top" of the motor, I wonder what else you could have done while it is opened up? What are the suggestions guys. I should have asked this question before they replaced two injectors in mine. Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarome Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 I thought white smoke meant water being burned (steamed), blue was oil, and black was fuel! I probably have those mixed up. You're right. Black is fuel too. Generally bad air to fuel ratio so your fuel isn't burning as fully as it should so it emits as large partially burned fuel molecules. White smoke is wholly unburnt fuel. Generally speaking, that is. At least in the situation he described where it's just during cold starts then the engine evens out and it stops smoking. It could be moisture in the fuel as well, but that is generally white "misty" and runs continuously. Probably right though that it's only going to get worse... and any color comin' out your pipes... you gotta know your mileage is suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Sometimes a small coolant leak into one or two cyl will allow a small amount of coolant to puddle on top of the piston and that will cause the effected cylinder(s) to misfire until the coolant is cleared out enough so that the normal firing can start to take place. In the mechanical engine days lugging too much would often build cyl pressures that compromised the head gasket sealing and coolant leaks were often the first point of progressive failure........ Might be wise to cast a intense light beam down the oil-fill tube and often you might see some white foam clinging to the tube walls. A quick oil sample sent to a lab could be helpful as well....... Drive on...........(no white exhaust........) 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Don't let it get cold Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CDR Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 White smoke is bad! Means something is terribly wrong! Curt 2001 Freightliner Century, 500hp Series 60, Gen 2 autoshift, 3.42 singled rear locker. 2004 Keystone Sprinter 299RLS (TT) 2 & 4 Wheelers! 2013 Polaris Ranger 800 midsize LE Our motto "4 wheels move the body, 2 wheels move the soul!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 White smoke is bad! Means something is terribly wrong! Curt Or a new Pope is elected... just sayin' Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Or a new Pope is elected... just sayin' Just got a new pope.........too much smoke and the EPA will be looking......... 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob A Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 It probably needs new fuel cups in injectors, they let fuel bleed off and let fuel into antifreeze when not running, the fuel in antifreeze breaks down o-rings and can cause major failure, any Volvo dealer can check to prove this, 2014 jayco siesmic 3914 1998 volvo 610, singled short ( bought in 2005) 14 speed volvo tranny 2014 Toyota yaris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 I have 2 questions now. 1) How expensive a repair are we talking about. 2) Does anyone have a recommendation for a shop in the Albuquerque NM area besides the Volvo dealer? They do not have very good reviews online. Thanks. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadfitter Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 HI BRAD To begin with I'm in agreement with Rocky,Dolly, an Bob A. Dealers-Volvo, Kenworth, Check the labor rates for the top end tune-up which should address most of your problems it runs about $6oo. plus parts. Since I have a Kenworth I'm a little prejudice but many KW dealerships are also Volvo dealers and there labor rates are often. less than a straight Volvo dealer. We have always been very happy with the KW dealers we have dealt with over the last 8 years. GOOD LUCK and keep us informed as to how your doing! roadfitter roadfitter 2000 T-2000 10 speed autoshift DD430/500 H.P. 2001 Alfa 39' Toyhouse http://community.webshots.com/user/roadfitter597 Holiday lite trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roadfitter Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 HI BRAD I just talked to Inland Group Kenworth in Albuquerque there labor rate is $126. an hr. and the top end tune-up is $504 + parts. 1 hr. labor rate for diagnostics $126. We had a good experience with them in Tucson last February for what that's worth.. My question is what engine do you have, is it Volvo or another brand? If you have other than a Volvo engine I would definitely give them a look see. Keep us up to date. roadfitter roadfitter 2000 T-2000 10 speed autoshift DD430/500 H.P. 2001 Alfa 39' Toyhouse http://community.webshots.com/user/roadfitter597 Holiday lite trucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted August 26, 2015 Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Brad, I'm thinking mine was around $1200, but top end tune up words were not used. I believe that was 1 cup, 1 injector and one O ring. Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted August 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2015 Hi Roadfitter, I have a 12 liter Volvo engine. I had an overhead done on 2/13/2013 or 27,600 miles ago. I noticed that the coolant level is down a little in the tank. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob A Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 It's more than a top end set there is no point in fixing just one they wear out and all 6 will need to be done, injectors need to be pulled cups and o rings replaced the valves all re set, parts aren't ridiculous but there is a bit o labour 2014 jayco siesmic 3914 1998 volvo 610, singled short ( bought in 2005) 14 speed volvo tranny 2014 Toyota yaris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob A Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 Should also do a antifreeze flush to get fuel out as well 2014 jayco siesmic 3914 1998 volvo 610, singled short ( bought in 2005) 14 speed volvo tranny 2014 Toyota yaris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIBERNUT Posted August 27, 2015 Report Share Posted August 27, 2015 You're all wrong! He has a double breasted chain saw (318 Detroit), that's normal. 2000 Volvo 635 A/S, N-14 Cummins"The Phoenix"'03 KA 38KSWB http://s918.photobucket.com/user/sibernut/library/?sort=6&page=1Furkids- Sibe's CH. Sedona & Tseika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Vonda came home today with 2 new fuel injectors. As always Volvo thinks everything is gold plated but since no one else I have found will work on Volvo engines I guess we will pay. She did run very smoothly on the way home and may have had a little more power but we will see when we leave next week. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 So I'm thinking that replacing two injectors doesn't warrant replacing them all right now? Thinking they are working right there now, and kind of do it as a preventative measure? Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted September 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 Rocky I was told that they were all getting weak but I did not have 6K to replace all of them so I did the ones that failed testing. #3 and #5. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted September 3, 2015 Report Share Posted September 3, 2015 6K for 6 more? Sounds way to high. Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted September 4, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Told you Volvo thinks their parts are golden and I have yet to find anyone except Volvo that will work on the engine. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted September 4, 2015 Report Share Posted September 4, 2015 Where are you, Brad? I can find all sorts of people that will work on a volvo engine. Come home young man. MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted September 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2015 Phil I'm in NM. and headed for CO. Then on to KS. heading for FL. I'll be in Texarkana for about 13 days at the COE park on the way to New Orleans. Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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