remoandiris Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Been looking online at Truck Paper. Is buying a used HDT like buying a used car...each side negotiates to get the best deal they can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIBERNUT Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Yeah, but "caveat emptor" in spades 2000 Volvo 635 A/S, N-14 Cummins"The Phoenix"'03 KA 38KSWB http://s918.photobucket.com/user/sibernut/library/?sort=6&page=1Furkids- Sibe's CH. Sedona & Tseika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hdonlybob Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Exactly the same... If you get serous about one, and are not mechanically minded specifically with Semi's, have someone you trust totally check it out before making a deal.....you may have to pay a bit if you don't personally know someone. Minimum is a Dyno test as well as an oil analysis IMO. Also if newer, have the computer "Dumped" so you can see what has been happening with it. And I agree with SIBERNUT's post above. Good luck and Cheers, Bob 1989 Safari Serengeti 34'Towing a 1952 M38A1 Military Willys Past HDT owner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 What isn't said is that commercial trucks sales are "as is". No warranty from the dealer. If the truck is under 500,000 miles, there might be manufacture warranty. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Few Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Yeah, but "caveat emptor" in spades What is " caveat emptor" in spades??? The Few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeorgiaHybrid Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 What is " caveat emptor" in spades??? It truck salesman talk for "bend over an drop your drawers" AKA: Let the buyer beware 2017 Kenworth T6802015 DRV 38RSSA Elite Suites2016 Smart Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 What is " caveat emptor" in spades??? Not Sibernut, but means buyer beware!! I bought my truck from one of "the highly recommended " dealers on this forum several years ago. Although I have a good truck they did not live up to the deal we negotiated and I ended up footing the bill for things they were supposed to fix. 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Few Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I've seen some pretty good deals from Canadian dealers, but not sure how easy the process would be to purchase... It's already a nightmare to get the paperwork and other things sorted out in the states, just think how crazy it would be to purchase a truck from Canada.. But if I wanted the truck bad enough, I would find a way to get it... The Few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Few Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 It truck salesman talk for "bend over an drop your drawers" AKA: Let the buyer beware (laughing Hard)!!! The Few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Few Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 Not Sibernut, but means buyer beware!! I bought my truck from one of "the highly recommended " dealers on this forum several years ago. Although I have a good truck they did not live up to the deal we negotiated and I ended up footing the bill for things they were supposed to fix. Well, please share your experience, so that we could at least get an idea what to look for when purchasing... The Few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC and Angie Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 I've seen some pretty good deals from Canadian dealers, but not sure how easy the process would be to purchase... It's already a nightmare to get the paperwork and other things sorted out in the states, just think how crazy it would be to purchase a truck from Canada.. But if I wanted the truck bad enough, I would find a way to get it... My truck came from Canada. Gregg with Rv haulers brought the paper work. And after a long process sorting out Rv from commercial tractor they took the Canadian title and entered Alabama (AL) as the state of purchase cuz Alberta did not fit in the box. Really not a big deal paper work wise. But check with RVHaulers.ca for his inventory. JC 2009 Volvo 780. D-16 500hp 1850 torque with a Herrin hauler bed. 2015 Continental Coach 2008 650cc Suzuki Bergman 2013 Mustang GT 500 convertible 2014 Smartcar convertible WWW.Hollyfab.com. (Metal Fabrication Company) Jamesc@hollyfab.com (preferred contact method) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Few Posted July 15, 2015 Report Share Posted July 15, 2015 My truck came from Canada. Gregg with Rv haulers brought the paper work. And after a long process sorting out Rv from commercial tractor they took the Canadian title and entered Alabama (AL) as the state of purchase cuz Alberta did not fit in the box. Really not a big deal paper work wise. But check with RVHaulers.ca for his inventory. JC I would LOVE to buy a truck from Gregg, but His prices are a bit too much for me, I just cannot justify spending more money on something, just for a few times out a year... I don't plan on full timing, and I feel I can do the same thing cheaper... I have enough toys in my garage already, and my wife has been patient enough with me.. I certainly don't want to rock the boat too hard, it was tough enough to entertain her with the idea to buy a semi truck to go camping... LOL The Few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Making the HDT Rally will help you a lot, and Gregg will be doing a session on how to DIY your process of finding your own truck. Plus a whole lot of other stuff! Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Well, please share your experience, so that we could at least get an idea what to look for when purchasing... Understand some of this was my fault but equally shared with the dealer. Will try to keep this as short as possible. The "recommended dealer" was 250 miles from where I live. The salesman I dealt with had good recommendations from the forum at the time also. I went down to look at some trucks during my day off from work and they had multiple 670's on the lot and one older beat up 770. I wanted a 780 and the salesman told me that the following week he would have availability of several hundreds of 780's from USXpress that were coming off fleet and would be on sale with a six month warranty included. BTW the dealer made a point of telling me that this dealership dealt only in a "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" way if you get my drift. I told him I would buy a truck if it was able to be dino'd, was non-smoking, and if it was able to meet "truck terms" (a written set of published stipulations that fleets use to buy used trucks since they can't look at each and every purchase) . He agreed and I told him I would be unable to come back anytime during the "sale" period due to work but would he send pictures of "my" potential truck. He did send pictures, was told the dino was being done and the truck was in the shop for the warranty inspection and truck terms inspection. I consummated the deal and arranged for delivery of the truck by a truck delivery service and asked for the paperwork, inspection, dino to be sent by fed ex prior to the delivery which was three days from purchase. Truck arrives, NO paperwork, NO dino done, NO warranty inspection. When I contacted the salesman he said it had been done and he just got busy and forgot to fed ex. One week later-nothing. Re-contacted, a mistake had been made and none of the above had been done. With none to pleasant of a conversation he agreed to have the inspection done at the Volvo dealership in my home town which turned up a number of minor issues which, to their credit, the dealer paid to have fixed in order to warranty (which is by an independent warranty agent). Two major issues, a broken front leaf spring, and two tires with huge splits were also found. The salesman told me to send the tires to him and he would ship me two new recaps which I did at my cost of $230. After replacing the leafs the "recommended dealer" refused payment for that part and labor. Also after several heated conversations, they refused to send new tires even after having me ship them the old ones. My eventual out of pocket over $3000. In summary, I take a lot of the blame. I should have had the truck independently inspected and refused delivery until done, but I naively believed the warranty inspection and agreement to truck terms would be sufficient. In reality, they should have been, especially with the leaf and tires. I am a person of faith but learned a costly lesson. Do you own homework and leg work, be wary if a sign hangs over a business door that says we deal only in a Christian way, and always buyer beware. I know someone says I could have brought legal action, but the time and cost would have probably equaled my out of pocket and I did end up with a good truck for a decent price. 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Explanation of "truck terms": http://www.semitruckbuyer.com/uta_trade_terms.pdf 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Few Posted July 16, 2015 Report Share Posted July 16, 2015 Understand some of this was my fault but equally shared with the dealer. Will try to keep this as short as possible. The "recommended dealer" was 250 miles from where I live. The salesman I dealt with had good recommendations from the forum at the time also. I went down to look at some trucks during my day off from work and they had multiple 670's on the lot and one older beat up 770. I wanted a 780 and the salesman told me that the following week he would have availability of several hundreds of 780's from USXpress that were coming off fleet and would be on sale with a six month warranty included. BTW the dealer made a point of telling me that this dealership dealt only in a "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" way if you get my drift. I told him I would buy a truck if it was able to be dino'd, was non-smoking, and if it was able to meet "truck terms" (a written set of published stipulations that fleets use to buy used trucks since they can't look at each and every purchase) . He agreed and I told him I would be unable to come back anytime during the "sale" period due to work but would he send pictures of "my" potential truck. He did send pictures, was told the dino was being done and the truck was in the shop for the warranty inspection and truck terms inspection. I consummated the deal and arranged for delivery of the truck by a truck delivery service and asked for the paperwork, inspection, dino to be sent by fed ex prior to the delivery which was three days from purchase. Truck arrives, NO paperwork, NO dino done, NO warranty inspection. When I contacted the salesman he said it had been done and he just got busy and forgot to fed ex. One week later-nothing. Re-contacted, a mistake had been made and none of the above had been done. With none to pleasant of a conversation he agreed to have the inspection done at the Volvo dealership in my home town which turned up a number of minor issues which, to their credit, the dealer paid to have fixed in order to warranty (which is by an independent warranty agent). Two major issues, a broken front leaf spring, and two tires with huge splits were also found. The salesman told me to send the tires to him and he would ship me two new recaps which I did at my cost of $230. After replacing the leafs the "recommended dealer" refused payment for that part and labor. Also after several heated conversations, they refused to send new tires even after having me ship them the old ones. My eventual out of pocket over $3000. In summary, I take a lot of the blame. I should have had the truck independently inspected and refused delivery until done, but I naively believed the warranty inspection and agreement to truck terms would be sufficient. In reality, they should have been, especially with the leaf and tires. I am a person of faith but learned a costly lesson. Do you own homework and leg work, be wary if a sign hangs over a business door that says we deal only in a Christian way, and always buyer beware. I know someone says I could have brought legal action, but the time and cost would have probably equaled my out of pocket and I did end up with a good truck for a decent price. HOLY COW!! That is EXACTLY the type of explanation I needed to hear!! It gives me a direction to at least know what to look and listen for when purchasing my truck.. I never even had the thought, that truck dealerships could be shady, just as much as car dealers are.. Thank you so much sir, for taking the time to explain to all of us some of the things these " not so nice" people are trying to pull on" good old fashion" kind hearted people!! Much Obliged!! The Few Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSD_Tweaker Posted July 18, 2015 Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 I've seen some pretty good deals from Canadian dealers, but not sure how easy the process would be to purchase... It's already a nightmare to get the paperwork and other things sorted out in the states, just think how crazy it would be to purchase a truck from Canada.. But if I wanted the truck bad enough, I would find a way to get it... The process is pretty straightforward. These days a heck of a lot of good Canadian trucks are being sold to US buyers. The exchange rate is very very good these days. Your dollar is worth 25% more here than on US soil. Rick 1998 VOLVO 610 VED-12 @ 425 HP with 13 speed, 22.5" rubber, TC Equipped, single 3.70 drive axle, 193'' WB. REESE, 30K 4 way rocker-hitch, Jordan Ultima 2020. Under-frame mounted Honda 3000 ei, Towing a DRV MobileSuites- 36TK3 with TrailAir Pin Box, a Yamaha Road Star 1700 on deck. http://diesel-gypsy.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remoandiris Posted July 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2015 The process is pretty straightforward. These days a heck of a lot of good Canadian trucks are being sold to US buyers. The exchange rate is very very good these days. Your dollar is worth 25% more here than on US soil. Rick Is there much asspain with importing an HDT from Canada? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSD_Tweaker Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Is there much asspain with importing an HDT from Canada? Well, that is subjective in a way. It is all basically handled by a broker (paper-work). I have helped dozens of guys in the past 10 years find & buy a Canadian class 8 trucks. I use the same broker every-time, it goes smoothly. You still have to come here, so you need a passport. Most buyers fly in, and drive the truck home. Rick 1998 VOLVO 610 VED-12 @ 425 HP with 13 speed, 22.5" rubber, TC Equipped, single 3.70 drive axle, 193'' WB. REESE, 30K 4 way rocker-hitch, Jordan Ultima 2020. Under-frame mounted Honda 3000 ei, Towing a DRV MobileSuites- 36TK3 with TrailAir Pin Box, a Yamaha Road Star 1700 on deck. http://diesel-gypsy.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hone eagle Posted July 19, 2015 Report Share Posted July 19, 2015 Any U.S. members looking to buy a truck or smart , watch the dollar exchange rate ,your money is worth more every day,must be close 20% by now. PSD is giving good advice always use a broker the process is dead simple. (write a small check) :-) 2005 volvo 670 freedomline singledNewmar Torrey Pine 34rskswoot woot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Unlike Carl I had my truck inspected by an independent inspector (at my cost-$300) The dealer (GATR in Sauk Rapids, MN) repaired all of the agreed upon issues and I flew up and drove it home to Texas, basically sight unseen. I had pictures and a long talk with the inspector, and my dealer took it for a dyno and sent me the paperwork before I ever left Texas. I negotiated an axle worth of brakes and drums, some cosmetic items and a few other little things, along with about $6k off the asking price. And I did all my shopping on Truckpaper.com MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Unlike Carl I had my truck inspected by an independent inspector (at my cost-$300) The dealer (GATR in Sauk Rapids, MN) repaired all of the agreed upon issues and I flew up and drove it home to Texas, basically sight unseen. I had pictures and a long talk with the inspector, and my dealer took it for a dyno and sent me the paperwork before I ever left Texas. I negotiated an axle worth of brakes and drums, some cosmetic items and a few other little things, along with about $6k off the asking price. And I did all my shopping on Truckpaper.com Yeah but Phil you're a lot smarter than me. I'm learning a lot from being stupid:) 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 Yeah but Phil you're a lot smarter than me. I'm learning a lot from being stupid:) I know that ain't none of that true. MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Refuzn-To-Grow-Up Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 I would LOVE to buy a truck from Gregg, but His prices are a bit too much for me, I just cannot justify spending more money on something, just for a few times out a year... I don't plan on full timing, and I feel I can do the same thing cheaper... I have enough toys in my garage already, and my wife has been patient enough with me.. I certainly don't want to rock the boat too hard, it was tough enough to entertain her with the idea to buy a semi truck to go camping... LOL Have you considered buying a truck (already set up for towing a 5'er) off of the HDT forum? I have seen quite a few come on the market, with prices ranging from $20K to $75K, and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted July 20, 2015 Report Share Posted July 20, 2015 As Jim said, your first choice should be a forum truck already converted and with a "provenance". You will pay less in the long run, and end up with a better chance of minimizing issues. You WILL HAVE issues, but likely less than a fresh "off the road" commercial truck. IF you decide to buy direct from a dealer Phil's experience is pretty much a good model to follow. You CAN get a decent truck that way. But you still must hold at least $5K in reserve for repairs (repairs only - NOT improvements to make it an RV hauler). And on a truck in the 2008 or newer vintage I'd increase that reserve to $8K. Hopefully you never spend it all, but you will spend SOME of it, no matter how well the truck is inspected. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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