Brad & Jacolyn Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Good Morning, I am still using Streets and Trips to plan out trips. I find the mega file that is available quite nice but I can't find anything that has been updated since Aug. of 2013. However, since Streets and trips is supposed to be going away I may have to eventually start using something else so I thought I would ask what others are using. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkoenig24 Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 What device are you using Streets and Trips on (laptop, tablet, smartphone etc)? Does the replacement need to run on that same device? My Class 7 HDT Super C Class motorhome, came with the Rand McNally software already installed in the dash radio / entertainment system. If it hadn't been pre-installed, I sure would NOT have paid extra for it. I also have stand alone 5" Garmin dezl, an older 7" Rand McNally 7710RVND (garbage) and, have CoPilot Truck HD software on my Apple iDevices. I also have TomTom software on my iDevices. NONE of these GPS solutions is perfect. If I had to narrow it down to just one, I'd go with the CoPilot TruckHD software on my Apple iDevices. The biggest advantage of doing it that way is, that with a single purchase, I can legally install and use said software on multiple iDevices (iPhone, iPad) and, software updates are usually free after you've made the initial purchase (which is expensive). The CoPilot software does NOT run on Mac OS X computers but, run on Windows OS computers though. Again, in my experience, NONE of the available GPS solutions are perfect. I would also recommend that you buy the current hardcopy "Motor Carrier's Road Atlas" by Rand McNally; all sorts of good information contained there. The "Deluxe" laminated version retails for $79.95 BUT, I've always been able to find it in truck stops discounted to $29.95. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GR "Scott" Cundiff Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 I'm guessing that it was Google Maps that caused Microsoft to decide to shutter S&T - and it's too bad because S&T is such a good planning tool. However, I'm thinking S&T will remain useful for years to come. As long as people use it the various overlay files will continue to be updated and, while there are occasional highway changes it will be a long time before they will be significant enough to degrade S&T. I use both Google Maps and S&T in my route planning. S&T is much better for multi-stop planning and for giving me the big picture. Google Maps is better for up to date information, etc. So, I'm thinking that together they are a good trip planning combination. Our "Here and There" Blog 2005 Safari Cheetah Motorhome Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 We use Streets & Trips for trip planning. We do the entire route for the year. S&T accepts pasted address from web pages unlike Street Atlas USA which only accepts the last line. We enter route legs into ALK CoPilot Truck for driving as it is monitoring heights of bridges etc as we drive. We may get a copy of Street Atlas USA to see if it has improved in the last few years. Google maps and Maquest are not suitable replacements for S&T. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Like Mark, we use CoPilot for live navigation. In our case on an 8.4" Android tablet. We plan with Google Maps. Also running "live"on the truck dash are a garmin older GPS, my Note 3 phone with Google Maps running, and sometimes another Android tablet. Each has their virtues. If I could only use one, it would be CoPilot. We previously used Street Atlas (for many years). But I now like CoPilot better. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2gypsies Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 We've used Delorme's Street Atlas for 20 years or so. It doesn't require internet to create maps. You can then view them as you travel if using their GPS or else transfer to your GPS. Full-timed for 16 YearsTraveled 8 yr in a 2004 Newmar Dutch Star 40' Motorhome and 8 yr in a 33' Travel Supreme 5th Wheel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trailertraveler Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 ...As long as people use it the various overlay files will continue to be updated... Streets and Trips will import data from at least a couple of different file formats. I know it will do the text data format from the Discovery Owners Forum and at least one of the other program formats that they list, but I don't remember which one. It will also import data from Excel XLS files. It will import data in CVS format from any source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justRich Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 Streets & Trips is still the best planning tool. I've also been using Base Camp for Garmin. . .it sucks for planning. Even so. . . S&T's can export to a gpx file which can be imported to Base Camp and downloaded to the Garmin. The workaround is a hassle, but once mastered becomes a bit easier. Using S&T's, plan as usual with the Route Planner. Place a push pin at each Route Planner destination - label the push pin #1, #2, etc according to it's place in the route. After all the destinations are "push-pinned" - go back to Route Planner and delete all the stops. The push pins remain - at that point the S&T's file can be export to a compatible GPX file and downloaded into Base Camp and then exported into the GPS unit. S&T's fails at exporting a compatible GPX file from the Route Planner. But, it can export compatible GPX files with push pins. ~Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswhite Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 We've used Delorme's Street Atlas for 20 years or so. It doesn't require internet to create maps. You can then view them as you travel if using their GPS or else transfer to your GPS. You can use most any nmea compatabile gps puck with street atlas David & Sandi 2010 Silver Fox 29 5T 2011 Silverado 3500HD Crew, SB, SRW Duramax, 6 spd Allison 2018 Polaris Ranger XP 1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biker56 Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Copilot use $14.95 version with height setting mounted on drivers side window on my iPad. S&T used to plan trips on my Desktop. Bing satellite view helps on destinations or fuel stops etc. Then trip is moved to laptop beside drivers seat. It should be good for several years yet for any road changes. CoPilot I only put in the next stop from my saved favorites either food/fuel/campground. Arrival time changes depending on stops at rest areas etc. The $14.95 also includes license for my iPhone 6 Plus. Settings for Car/RV/Motorcycle/bicycle/walking One free year on active traffic with it. That I have never used yet. Full Time since Oct. 199999 Discovery 34Q DP | ISBDatastorm | VMSpc | Co-Pilot Live | Pressure Pro2014 MKS Twin Turbo V6 365 HP Toad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad & Jacolyn Posted June 11, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 My electronic devices consist of a laptop and my flip phone. The DW is Miss Garmin. I sure hope the S&T stays good for a few years yet and someone keeps updating. I use the Megafile for planning with the Passport America, Escapees and COE parks POI files turned on. Then I bring up Passport America online to be sure that the places listed in the Megafile are still members. I also have Good Sam online turned on for areas that Passport don't have parks. It can get to be quite a dance when doing the plans. Plus, we are members of the 230 club when traveling (230 miles or 2:30 in the afternoon and off the road) and that limits the travel day unless you really have to get somewhere. I was hoping someone was coming up with a replacement for S&T. Brad Brad and Jacolyn Tucker the Wonder dog and Brynn the Norfolk Terrier 2009 Smart "Joy" 2004 VNL630 "Vonda the Volvo" 2008 Hitch Hiker 35 CK Champagne Edition VED12 465 HP, Freedomline, 3.73 ratio, WB 218" Fulltiming and loving it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budeneighe Posted June 11, 2015 Report Share Posted June 11, 2015 Define your terms; If all you want is route planning from place to place then a normal solution like copilot, Street Atlas, etc. will work OK. If you want to include working out the where, why, how and when of your stops and destinations, then a lot more is needed. This is where S&T was the long-time leader and though it still had some limitations it did do an all-around job. Today, I use ALK Copilot on all my Android devices, in different ways, for navigating but not for anything more than simple route planning and tracking. MY Nexus 7 sits on the dash while driving for quick reference to what is coming up. But for deeper planning I use a combination of resources beyond this. First, I still use the offline/online RV Plan n Go program to actually build the trip. Though discontinued it is still the best all-around tool I have found to help me work out times and distances and it makes it easy to always be aware of arrival dates when I have targeted reservations or events to attend. It is the only package that gives updated date/times for all stops as the plan changes. I just tell it when I want to leave point A. The resources I use to ferret out the details: Google Maps - for helping me find resources like food, shopping, venues, campgrounds in an area marking them with favorites stars for quick future reference. Google Earth - to check out the lay of the grounds in/around campgrounds, access roads/highways, potential obstacles, etc. Google Street views - to zoom in on what things look like right where I have to go to see if it might be tight for a big rig. Accommodations -- I use a combination of:RVParkreviews Good Sam Campgrounds and RV parks All-Stays and a changing set of other online resources. Developing the whole plan: I use Microsoft Office OneNote, Chrome browser, Internet Explorer Browser OneNote is where I actually build the plan. The active linking capabilities of IE/Onenote make it really easy to collect content notes that automatically include live links to the sources. Here is a short video of how I use this combination to forge our travel plans: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEBrWURJ3mo Hope this helps. RVBuddys Journal Our progress into full-timing.Budd & Merrily ===-> SKP# 088936 Other Websites:---> Hub of all my blogsClifford - 2000 VNL64T770 :: DakotR - 1999 C40KS King of the Road :: $PRITE - 2013 Smart Passion w/cruise Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big5er Posted June 12, 2015 Report Share Posted June 12, 2015 I have used Mappoint (S&T's big brother) for 10+ years and I too am sad that they are going away. Yes, we will all still find a way but when you have been using the same program for years, you grow very accustom to it. I use CoPilot in the truck for navigation but for trip planning, Mappoint (or S&T) was hard to beat. MY PEOPLE SKILLS ARE JUST FINE.~It's my tolerance to idiots that needs work.~ 2005 Volvo 780 VED12 465hp / Freedomline transmission singled mid position / Bed by Larry Herrin2018 customed Mobile Suites 40KSSB3 2014 smart Fortwo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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