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Do you HDT drivers out there pay any attention to the "No Engine Brake" signs seen in various communities? I wonder if they are even legal given that they override safe slowing issues in most places they are posted.

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Me, dis-obey a law? Never. :ph34r:

 

Seriously, I look at the location and population density of the area. I'll likely use only the lower settings, but still use it. That said, I have a large, effective muffler.

 

But of course, I would be doing the general population a great service if I removed said muffler, because we all know "Loud Pipes Save Lives". :lol:

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Some states have addressed the engine brake problem by signage that states : "Use of UNMUFFLED engine brake prohibited"

 

This allows trucks to use the engine brake and gives "City-Hall" a response to folks that complain.........."the truck IS ALLOWED to use the engine brake as long as it's muffled".

 

New FULL Emission trucks have so much "junk" in the exhaust that the exhaust gas's can hardly get out much less any exhaust brake noise.

 

As a rule I tend to not use the Jake in populated areas here in the West just because it seems like not making any more noise than needed is best.

 

Some days I use the Jake so much out in the mountains that I have a hard time keeping the rust out of the service brake drums.

 

HDT's in RV use have very good service brakes so out light RV loads do not tax the brakes much at all and brake life is very good even if you use the service a lot.

 

All that said........Use as much and as many brakes as you need.........no matter what the sign says.........your still are the ......Captain....

 

Drive on......(Brake as needed.....)

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We follow the posted rules. It seems Colorado is the rational state that specifies Mufflers for Engine Brakes.

 

Using the term Jake Brakes in posted signs is illegal as Jake Brake is a registered Trademark of the Jacobson Brake Company.

 

Sometimes communities go awry on their restriction wording. Going into Deadwood, SD, the signs say no dynamic braking. I wonder what Prius and other electric cars are supposed to do.

 

The sad thing by outlawing engine brakes, the communities are adding to the risk problem. Engine brakes start working as you remove your foot from the gas pedal, several milliseconds before you can start to depress the brake pedal.

 

But the restriction is a knee-jerk reaction to twin unmuffled pipes that cause excessive noise. There are noise ordinances for this but why not pass more rules.

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I figure safety trumps nuisance so I use the engine brake if I feel it is necessary. I do have a muffler and I really doubt it is noticeable. I figure if ticketed I will just deal with it, as I said safety trumps nuisance.

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Driving trucks at night for work for the last 34years. When I'm in my work truck at night I try to be very aware of the areas I use my engine break. Granted my work truck Freightliner Cascadia has very very quiet engine break most of the time I can't even tell it's on myself.

 

If I'm anywhere near a residential area I absolutely do not use it even with a full load.

There are a lot of areas I do go in that have signs posted no engine break and they are patrolled heavily so most definitely do not use it then either.

 

Unless of course a stoplight changes quickly obviously my safety and everyone around me is More important than waking someone up.

 

As for my Peterbilt RV hauler that engine brake works extremely well and is rather loud. And I am again always aware of where I am whether it's posted or not just out of courtesy to other people.

 

Now I will admit I like to have fun with my train horn in the daytime with people walking down the street. And there's a great story about 2 strippers holding up a sign board while I approached them from a different direction with their backs to me while my wife was riding with me. That was AWESOME.

Charlie

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Yes I pay attention the no engine brake signs. Yes I shut it off. Have come into towns where I haven't seen the sign and still shut it off in case I missed the sign. Just slow down 5 mph under the speed limit unless the speed is 25 mph and all works out fine.

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Though it is kind if annoying. Anyone that NEEDS to use an engine break in an HDT when posted not to, hauling ONLY a 5ver, should probably rethink their driving capabilities/habits

JMHO

 

Mike

Barncats, Could not have said it better

 

There are those that can turn a wheel and then there are those who are truck DRIVERS

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Though it is kind if annoying. Anyone that NEEDS to use an engine break in an HDT when posted not to, hauling ONLY a 5ver, should probably rethink their driving capabilities/habits

JMHO

 

Mike

 

Where's that damn "Like" button?

I play with mine lots, but I avoid as much as possible when the sign says to. I have been pulled over before, partly for using it in town, locally. Mostly , the officer was curious about the truck, and used a combination of things to turn on the lights on a very busy stretch of road. The upshot was, I told the officer that I would use foot pressure on the throttle only to control the Jake, until he could convince me that all the drivers in Grande Prairie could be stopped from doing the "Pass and Squat" maneuver. He laughed, and agreed, about the same time an oil-field truck went by grabbing Jake in almost all 18 gears to avoid the cluster of cars rubber necking at us. Them 'patch trucks tend to run a little louder, 'ya know.

As an aside, my Jake is NEVER turned completely off. I control it with my right foot.

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A quiet jake is not as loud as many cars, motorcycles and even a lot of trucks. As Bob posted the cowboys ruined it. If all jakes were muffled to an acceptable standard we could all use them. In a residential area near my home there is a 14% grade for about 2 miles. I use the brake. In fact I use it a lot. For those that want to challenge my driving ability, I haven't had a ticket or been involved in a wreck in my commercial truck or recreational driving. Your insinuation that useing a jake as your standard of driving ability speaks for its self.

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Easy, Randy. Read the original post, or read the cross post in the Class "A" section. The question asked about the use in town. Period. On a 14% grade, you'd be crazy not to use it. That's why mine is never turned "Off". It's quicker to activate/de-activate with a subtle change in foot pressure, than reaching over to the dash, taking my eyes off the impending doom, and turning it on. I have no proof, but suspect that the ECM goes through a series of calculations before even activating from a "power off" situation. I know I can chirp it with my foot like a cricket.

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The Cowboys with the straight pipes have managed to ruin it for all the normal truckers and HDTers......

Just like the Harley guys have....

Cheers,

Bob

 

Thank you Bob. That's what I was trying to say, without blurting it out. We have 13 bikes of various sizes and breeds, all are quiet. Well, except that old Henderson which had no muffler when it was built in 1927.

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Aw Darryl, did you have to rat us out? The dual sports got to see Alaska and a bunch of Canada, without leaving the truck deck.

 

We have one trip planned with the camper rig, to Little Farm on the River in late July. It's the Corn Field Rally, http://www.rvnetwork.com/index.php?showtopic=118088 open to all, but especially fun for those with motorbikes. Lots of open cruising, knarly little twisty roads, and everything in between.

 

We're hoping to do two tours of the southern Smokies, once later this month, and again in August. Both of those trips will be RIDING the bikes.

 

But none of our bikes have Jake brakes, though Susan's BMW sure acts like it does.

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I take it your trip to the southern Smokies will include the Dragon? Watch out for all of the police on that road now. It was a LOT of fun back in the '70's when I used to run the Tail and the Cherohala Skyway but there are WAY too many idiot kids running kamikaze on the road now and the local LEO's make a LOT of money off of them.

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Yes, that's the general area, and south from there. Deal's Gap. aka Dragon's Tail, is to be avoided on weekends. The Cherohala Skyway is a hoot, also on weekdays. We rode the Cherohala the first spring it was open, 1996. Got to the end and my bride said, "Let's go back that way too."

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The Cowboys with the straight pipes have managed to ruin it for all the normal truckers and HDTers......

Just like the Harley guys have....

Cheers,

Bob

I'll be the first to admit that I personally, love the sound of straight pipes on a truck (No,I don't run staight pipes) or a nice set of pipes on a Harley (not a fan of straight pipes on a Harley) but I realize not everyone else does, so there needs to be a time and place for me to enjoy

And just to clarify....The key part of my post was "Hauling a 5ver" I think the law is totally BS and a PITA for a commercial driver hauling a heavy load.

Giddy up :)

Mike

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I'll be the first to admit that I personally, love the sound of straight pipes on a truck (No,I don't run staight pipes) or a nice set of pipes on a Harley (not a fan of straight pipes on a Harley) but I realize not everyone else does, so there needs to be a time and place for me to enjoy

And just to clarify....The key part of my post was "Hauling a 5ver" I think the law is totally BS and a PITA for a commercial driver hauling a heavy load.

Giddy up :)

Mike

 

Mike,

I too really like the sound of straight pipes on semi's, and also rode Harleys for almost 50 years, none of which had stock pipes on them...

My Cowboy reference was directed at the meat heads that just have to show off (In town on the Harleys) and Unnecessary use of the Jakes by truckers thru towns and in areas where they don't need to use them.) All for one thing...the "Look at me" syndrome..

Out in the country, you bet I made noise, and loved it... :)

Cheers,

Bob

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