Jack Mayer Posted March 8, 2015 Report Share Posted March 8, 2015 OK, anyone have any theories on this tire issue? See picture. It totally parted at the shoulder, all the way around. Circumstances: within 10 miles of trip start. Pre trip showed the tire to be good - no apparent damage to it. Inflation was correct for load. Tire monitor was working. It is not overloaded...not even close. brakes are not dragging. Hub was not hot. Less than 2000 miles on the tire. Was on the third axle. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PEIFamily Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 When researching the G114 for tire shopping (gotta get new ones this summer), I seemed to be getting mixed reviews on them, I remember one that blew 3 within 150 miles of being new, others love them. How old is the tire, a flaw maybe? 2006 Volvo 670 singled long 2011 Heartland Sundance 3300CK 2006 Smart passion 2001 F350 DRW CREWCAB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Wow Jack! Unless you damaged it somehow (which probably didn't happen), that looks like total tire failure! Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Less than 2000 miles on the tire. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuiteSuccess Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Wow, road hazard? Any recent tight turns where the tire would have lots of scrub and lateral loads? Did it damage your trailer? I have same tires on mine. Will be following closely. 2006 Volvo 780 "Hoss" Volvo D12, 465hp, 1650 ft/lbs tq., ultrashift Bed Build by "JW Morgan's Custom Welding" 2017 DRV 39DBRS3 2013 Smart Passion Coupe "Itty Bitty" "Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. The world owes you nothing. It was here first!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 No damage to the trailer. No real tight turns. To me it looks like pure tire failure, but I'm not a tire expert. I'll take it to Goodyear when I get to Lynchburg, but for now I'm running without a spare - which makes me nervous. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Dreamer Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 What was the outside temperature when leaving and what had it been the night before? Dave 2005 Freightliner Century S/T, Singled, Air ride ET Jr. hitch 2019 46'+ Dune Sport Man Cave custom 5th wheel toy hauler Owner of the 1978 Custom Van "Star Dreamer" which might be seen at a local car show near you! Check out http://www.hhrvresource.com/ for much more info on HDT's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 That looks like one of our G614's. It separated the tread completely from the casing all the way around. Never blewout though. I got an e-mail back from GoodYear saying they thought it was an issue in the vulcanization of the tread to the casing on that particular tire. They did a partial price reduction based on the age of the tire. Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob A Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Given the info looks like a defective tire to me 2014 jayco siesmic 3914 1998 volvo 610, singled short ( bought in 2005) 14 speed volvo tranny 2014 Toyota yaris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Cochran Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Given the info looks like a defective tire to me X2 can't see it could b e anything else. 2019 Thor Chateau 28E on a Ford E450 chassis. Maybe awhile but will get a new picture forgive one up there it is my old rig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 The other day I was looking int ST Tire (ST =Spec Trailer) engineering specs and it was interesting to note that the specs printed on the tire sidewall is actually the "test speed" and that the tire should be operated at a lower speed. A tire engineer told me last month that the vast majority of ST tires are "test rated" at 62 mph a few at 68 mph and very few at 70. The engineer stated that ST tires are designed to carry a large load with a stiff sidewall and this typ of tire construction is not well suited for speeds above the high 50s to low 60s. The engineer stated that a common failure mode is sidewall separation at the tread shoulder due to overspeed. I remarked that 62 mph travel on I-10 out of Phoenix will get you run over and he remarked "well get used to buying more trailer tires" I remarked that seems to fly in the face of the market needs of trailer owners. The engineer said "well maybe not since our largest trailer tire market is California and the entire state trailer speed limit is 55 mph". His closing remark was rather chilling and that was that the stiff sidewall shoulder joint is progressively damaged by any amount of overspeed over time and the higher the speed the faster the damage occurs. In today's towing staying in the mid-50s seems pretty low speed (except in CA). Not sure if this helps but it might be some points to ponder. Best regards, Dollytrolley 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Oh one last remark from the tire engineer was that the highest trailer tire failure rates occur on the rear-most axle. I wish I had ask why this is but......I didn't....... Regards Dollytrolley 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Having had a G614 tread separation, Jack's tire isn't a tread separation. It is a sidewall failure. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noteven Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Check this blog http://www.rvtiresafety.com/ Mr. Marble offers an email address to communicate about tire issues. "Are we there yet?" asked no motorcycle rider, ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I am also no tire expert, but after the conversation with the tire engineer and pondering the low "test speed" of these tires I took the statement regarding get used to buying more trailer tires to heart and now I own TWO new trailer spares. Am I wild about becoming a multi-spare-tire geek in my golden years......not really......but now and then on the major freeways we really need to fit into the traffic flow somewhat so to a certain extent Overspeeding these trailers is a two-edged sword......darned if we do, and darned if we don't. Jack, I also did not like the feeling of driving down the road without a spare but now knowing what I've been told I wonder if this "two-spare-bandaid" is not just that......a bandaid.... Our real problem is that the wife's horseback trail riding has us traveling on some very remote roads out here in the western high deserts so often we my never meet another car for a hundred miles or more and cell coverage is another hundred miles away at best so travel without a spare or two is not a real option. The final thing we have to consider with our remote "outback-remote" horse RV travels is that leaving a horse stranded in a trailer while one drives a couple of hundred miles to get another trailer tire gets pretty ugly fast so that's another reason we chose to go into the two-spare mode. I suppose the two-spare mode is somewhat like a HDT in that it is not for everyone, but for right now it is the "bandaid" that we are running with presently. I am presently looking into options to make our trailer more able to fit into real-world traffic speeds, because as we know, constricting traffic has it's own dangers. The tire engineer cautioned me that some folks try to change over to LT tires (Light Truck) however these tires have more sidewall flex and lower load ratings to allow the higher speed ratings.......another two-edged-sword....... There are a few higher "test speed" rated trailer tires in a few sizes that we are looking into but even these tires come with a "fine print warning" to NOT exceed 60 mph in actual operations......... Seems like a dice-roll at the moment. Aside from the danger from sudden-tire failure we also have the problem of the failed tire damage to the trailer structure that is a real pain in time, effort and $$$......... Pondering ......... Safe travels, Dollytrolley 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Just for the record, Jack's tires are not ST types. They are commercial trailer 17.5" tires like the ones used under electronics trailers. These tires are not in any class of tires normally found on an RV trailer. This is why the concern of Jack and others here because going to 17.5" H rated tires has, for many, removed the incidents of tire failures. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dollytrolley Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Indeed the 17.5" / H com tires are a option we have looked at, but some of failure modes of these tires look a lot like the ST failures as well...... Still pondering...... Safe travels, Dollytrolley 97 Freightshaker Century Cummins M11-370 / 1350 /10 spd / 3:08 /tandem/ 20ft Garage/ 30 ft Curtis Dune toybox with a removable horse-haul-module to transport Dolly-The-Painthorse to horse camps and trail heads all over the Western U S Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HERO Maker Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 As Mark mentioned, quite a few of us have moved towards the 17.5" H rated tire and I don't recall anybody having any issues with them - until now! So - how many of you guys have had one of these tires go bad on you? Not the China bombs, but good brands like Goodyear? Rocky & Sheri Rhoades '01 Volvo 770 2016 DRV Mobile Suites, HoustonHERO Makers Ministry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickS Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Jack.....I would check the production date and lot number on all 6 of your tires. Your unit is so new this would greatly concern me. I think this would concern NH as well. I have had the 17.5 Michelin's on mine for 30,000 miles and not an issue. Rick & Carey,Excel W41GKE Wild Cargo Toyhauler Volvo 730, D13, I-shift, 500/1850Brabus Smart Car Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronbo Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Had the same thing happen to one of minE. Separated the same way. no word from Goodyear of cause. Just a check. Ron C. 2013 Dynamax Trilogy 3850 D3 2000 Kenworth T2000 Optimus Prime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PSD_Tweaker Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 I'm with Mark Bruss, it is a sidewall blow-out, either a big pothole, or another type of trauma, but not necessarily at the time of the failure. That tire could have been stressed going over a protrusion on the roadway surface which caused cord separations as that tire may have taken on way too much load even for a very short time. We're all speculating, Goodyear in Akron will know. RL 1998 VOLVO 610 VED-12 @ 425 HP with 13 speed, 22.5" rubber, TC Equipped, single 3.70 drive axle, 193'' WB. REESE, 30K 4 way rocker-hitch, Jordan Ultima 2020. Under-frame mounted Honda 3000 ei, Towing a DRV MobileSuites- 36TK3 with TrailAir Pin Box, a Yamaha Road Star 1700 on deck. http://diesel-gypsy.blogspot.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sclord2002 Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Is that what I have heard refered to as a "Zipper Failure" ?? If so, I see why it would be called that. Charlie Don't ever tell a soldier that he doesn't understand the cost of war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark and Dale Bruss Posted March 9, 2015 Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 Interesting, the failure does look like a Zipper failure but the most common reason listed for a Zipper failure is running a tire way under inflated. This is something I know cannot be the cause for Jack. But there were some indication that a foreign object penetration can start the sidewall cord failure that will run around the body. It will be interesting to see what GoodYear says. We put about 44,000 on our first set of G114 before they were rotated out for age. Please click for Emails instead of PM Mark & DaleJoey - 2016 Bounder 33C Tige - 2006 40' Travel SupremeSparky III - 2021 Mustang Mach-e, off the the Road since 2019 Useful HDT Truck, Trailer, and Full-timing Info atwww.dmbruss.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Mayer Posted March 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 9, 2015 The temps for that day were in the 50's. I had only driven 10 miles. The sidewall temps on the other tires at the time of the failure were right at 100*. My ten miles was at speeds under 50 mph. The only way there could have been damage like a large pothole hit on these tires was when the coach was taken to paint. That was a 1000 mile trip and not done by me. But in my service there has been zero large pothole strikes and no curb strikes. We will see what Goodyear says. Jack & Danielle Mayer #60376 Lifetime Member Living on the road since 2000PLEASE no PM's. Email me. jackdanmayer AT gmail 2016 DRV Houston 44' 5er (we still have it) 2022 New Horizons 43' 5er 2016 Itasca 27N 28' motorhome 2019 Volvo 860, D13 455/1850, 236" wb, I-Shift, battery-based APU No truck at the moment - we use one of our demo units 2016 smart Passion, piggyback on the truck -------------------------------------------------------------------------See our website for info on New Horizons 5th wheels, HDTs as tow vehicles, communications on the road, and use of solar powerwww.jackdanmayer.com Principal in RVH Lifestyles. RVH-Lifestyles.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alie&Jim's Carrilite Posted March 10, 2015 Report Share Posted March 10, 2015 Interesting about the "Zipper" failure term. It does look like the cords were overstressed at the radius point and snapped at the same point on each cord. Learned me something new today. Alie & Jim + 8 paws 2017 DRV Memphis BART- 1998 Volvo 610 Lil'ole 6cyl Cummins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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