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Why can't they just simplify it? If you weigh this much it is this price and if you don't weigh that much it is that price and just apply it to everyone? That way there would be no interpretation argument.

 

You're sounding waaaay to rational here....

 

Arizona and Indiana excepted, the fuel tax is probably one of the simplest to administer and pay: prices are advertised with tax included, making comparisons easy between different taxing jurisdictions, the revenue (generally) serves the people paying the tax, and it's generally proportional to how much you drive, how heavy your vehicle is (and how much road damage you cause), and how efficient your vehicle is. I'd much rather pay at the pump than have to pay tolls or track my mileage. Here's an interesting read on how the fuel tax developed to where it is now (as of '07): http://financecommission.dot.gov/Documents/Tax%20Foundation%20paper%20on%20Gas%20Tax.pdf

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I lost the court hearing. Way too much to go into here, but my advice, if you are registered over 26,000 pounds or have 3 or more axles do not fuel at the RV pumps in Arizona. If you are cited, you have no chance of winning in court unless you want to spend thousands on an attorney. Even then it is a toss up at best.

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From Wanderlodge Owners Group website, 10-9-2014.

 

Poster called AZ DOT morning of 10-9-2014.

 

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"I then called (602-712-8381) AGAIN and talked to Mark Zimmerman, a Senior Administrator (as opposed to a Junior Administrator or a Deputy Junior Administrator ) He mentioned that he is being deluged with questions regarding the law we have been trying to figure out. Mark explained that there are grey areas in the law and it is very convoluted (tell me something I don't know). He understands that the pump sticker and the law wording is not clear .

 

He further explained that the legislature specifically states that an RV is not a "use fuel vehicle" (used for commercial purpose) and he said that all privately owned RV's are exempt from paying the higher tax rate. He said a "use fuel vehicle" is a vehicle used for commercial purposes (for hire) only.

 

He said they are working on a "legal statement" which would specifically spell out the exemption to the "use fuel vehicle" tax that RV's have in the state of Arizona." end quote

 

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From another post, same website:

 

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The first attachment is an email I just received from Mr. Mark Zimmerman, who is the Senior Division Administrator for the AZ Revenue and Fuel Tax Administration. In this email, he explains how private RV's that are not subject to weight fees (as defined in ARS 28-5432) are allowed to fuel at Arizona's lower $.18 fuel tax pumps. The Policy Statement in the second attachment, letter B, specifically exempts private motorhomes from weight fees and therefore from the Fuel Use Tax.

 

If you have commercial enterprise lettering plastered all over your coach/trailer or your coach is registered under a business entity's name, you might want to refuel at the big boy pumps and pay the higher tax. I may put a "Private Coach" stencil on my coach next to the entry door just to be safe. Always wondered why people do that and now I know.

 

If you are planning to refuel in AZ, I'd recommend you print out and carry both docs. They might come in handy should an Arizona Tax Revenue Inspector flash his badge and ask for your "papers"!

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I will attempt to post attachments in my next post that will follow his one.

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File size of the pdf with best information from AZ DOT is 165kb, and this site will not let it upload (too large).

 

If someone knows how to fix that I will email it to you to post. PM me your email address and I will send it.

 

 

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If you have commercial enterprise lettering plastered all over your coach/trailer or your coach is registered under a business entity's name, you might want to refuel at the big boy pumps and pay the higher tax. I may put a "Private Coach" stencil on my coach next to the entry door just to be safe. Always wondered why people do that and now I know.

10ponies already stated that he was told the same thing since he is registered to a Montana LLC. Putting "private coach" on the side of your truck doesn't change or prove anything. Carrying a copy of your registration that shows it is registered to YOU and not an LLC is all you need.

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