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  1. Ed the old kkeeping it under a mattress is no longer the only way to lose money by holding it. Having it liquid in savings is the same thing today at the low rates offered, if you want to call rapes rates. I invested for the first time myself in TSLA and bought first few shares just after IPO Aug 2010 @ 17. More @ 22.5 Mar 2011. Final block @ 22.5 Aug 2011. Last Friday close 33.64 = +49.51 % YTD. Factoring the earlier 2010 shares makes it more but only enough to make it 50%. So I made just over 50% had I sold Friday. But I didn't and won't until the Model S and perhaps 2013. I can't make or lose anything in the market if I don't buy. I won't make or lose anything until I sell what I bought. My feeling is to hold until after the Model S debuts and quite possibly until they are completely in the black in 2013. There is no short explanation for that. But anybody can find my reasoning by reading every blog from the website and everything published online which would fill several books. I was interested enough to have done all that reading as it was written and before most even knew they existed. All of that does not give me much of an edge on knowing in advance when to sell to most advantage. I don't presume to know anything about the market. I was just tired of not making anything with the way under 1% interest on my liquid assets. Had the same insight towards Apple at 55 in 2005 and did not act on my feelings then. Having even stronger feelings about the future of Tesla I finally jumped into buying individual stocks and would be horrified if anybody followed my lead and lost any money. Nor could I take any credit for making it as Tesla is making it for me. However, even though my tiny investment may mean nothing to them in terms of my investment making or breaking them, it means more to me to invest in a company I believe in more than just for dollars and cents. Making a lot of money is a big bonus. I am a realist. Some investments make a lot of sense. Others make little cents. And others just make scents. Stocks are just a teeny tiny part of my overall holdings and investments. Or I should say stock, because I am not qualified to delve into investigating multiple stocks for myself. Nor want to be. If the experts really were we would not have had an unforeseen crash. Each of them would be batting 1000. We are looking hard and heavy for rental properties right now that are fire sales as single family residences
  2. OK so let's talk making money in the market with a sustainable market portfolio segment for those that do more than one stock like me. (The market as in buying individual stocks, not funds. MY one stock venture into the market myself is only my hedge because of low interest rates on my liquid assets.) There are many more reasons to invest in sustainable and renewable energy industries than that they are trendy, or green, or perceived as politically correct. Us middle-roaders and non tree-huggers are looking hard and heavy at the greener industries because they are emerging and will grow. Ergo make money. So what are some of the analysts and investment people saying about it that aren't suffering from media glossy eyes "I believe anything negative the oil lobbyists put in the press today" people who panic at the drop of a hat? http://seekingalpha.com/article/307014-post-solyndra-clean-tech-is-alive-and-growing?source=yahoo Excerpt from the above: "What does this mean to consumers and investors? Clean tech has become too indispensable to a diverse set of stakeholders, which includes governments, large corporations and a huge segment of the population which stands to benefit from alternatives to a monolithic carbon based future. Contrary to the naysayers, who point to Solyndra with exhortations of “I told you so,” the industry is building a foundation for growth that may be the lead story for the current century in which we live." 2013 should be about the right time to evaluate my holding or selling Tesla. And just about the right time to use the knowledge I am gaining about the major com0anies mentioned in that article, and their technologies and niche differences.
  3. http://seekingalpha.com/article/305509-2-option-trades-to-consider-for-monday?source=yahoo http://seekingalpha.com/article/305821-alternative-energy-picks-from-the-world-s-largest-money-managers?source=yahoo From last week http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-02/tesla-motors-third-quarter-loss-widens-to-65-1-million.html?cmpid=yhoo Although I anticipated a big drop in price when the Roadster goes out of production and sales any month now, and the start of delivery of the Model S which is already sold out, the news about the newest deal with Daimler, and reiterations about the deals with Panasonic and Toyota. Daimler which already invested and bought first refusal if they ever sell the company back in 2009 or 2010, has announced that Tesla is going to make a drivetrain for a Mercedes Benz car as well as the Smart car. So the price drop it appears, is not going to happen. I would buy more at any price under 23 but perhaps it won't be at that price ever again. So there are still tremendous opportunities out there right now, but they always are better when the market is down for individual mid term and long term investors. Knowing which stocks to buy is the rub right? This was my first actual stock purchase as I let the experts manage my funds. It will probably be my last as my funds and property are doing as well too, just not as rapidly up as Tesla.
  4. And a recovery every five years or so, six this time most likely, as well. It is a cycle and when you buy at the trough, then sell at the peak, it does not involve any shorts or math formulas, you usually make money. I guess most folks today are looking for get rich quick. All I know is that you are either paying interest, collecting interest, or disinterested.
  5. Amen Ed. The world isn't ending tomorrow. It ends in 2012. I have been buying what I could ever since this downturn started in 2007/8. I am standing pretty much pat now as you are, although only one stock. My main investments that I was buying hard and heavy were funds we stay in, and our property etc.
  6. This just in on my one stock pick to invest in, I let the funds be managed by the USAA managers. It is the upgrades and downgrades history from Robert W. Baird (today,) Dougherty & Company, and Deutsche Bank (in the last month) and all "suddenly" discovering them in August and September 2010 with these advisories that haven't changed now or last year. Note that there were no previous ones: http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ud?s=TSLA I have followed them since 2003 and long since stopped trying to explain their perfect biz plan, and that all that is scaring some was part of the plan and announced last year, to others. The ones that said they never would go into production here were wrong, the ones in the press were wrong, and the big three are wrong in trying to make part electric or all electric compact cars with poor performance and luxury car prices, as their sales have shown. 800 some sold for one and under 200 of the other sold. While Tesla sits on deposits for 5300 Model S luxury cars that comptete with the higher priced BMWs and Mercedes in that class, in both performance, luxury, and seating, and already are testing the betas and inviting those with reservations for a ride in them at the New Tesla Manufacturing plant in California in in a few weeks. The writers are just starting to write about them based on more than hearsay in the last three months and I still see some that are reading the specs of the leaf and posting them as the performance and miles per charge of the Tesla. If you want the real skinny go to teslamotors.com and see for yourself. The market cycle always turns even if slower than normal. I had to tell my SH that it will tank when they are between production models and not selling the roadster but not delivering the Model S, and that we will hold then when all panic around us. We will sell sometime after the model S is delivered, or decide to hold longer depending on the plans for the SUV and how the Daimler electric smart goes with their battteries, the Toyota RAV 4 electrics with their drive trains,and make that decision then. In the meantime enjoying the ride, and perhaps even buying more if the buy opportunity is too good to resist. The time to hope that my stock tanks again (buy opportuniy)will come again as long as most others are panicking and driving it up and down. They have showrooms globally and cars globally that are breaking speed and endurance records for both electric cars and in performance against traditional ICE vehicles. Did I mention that I like them? Is it a risk? Of course! Don't do it because of me. I am the least experienced in these things in this thread.
  7. OOPS! Mine. Pasted the wrong one. Thanks Duke! Editing now. Try it again in half a minute. It is very good and right on with what I see as folks thinking they are doing right, and doing the opposite. The example dialogues below it and charts would be funny if they weren't so true.
  8. Here is a chart that is so true it is funny but is a serious article on the psychology of investors and how they really do the opposite of what Buffet keeps telling people is the secret. Buy low sell high. Look at the chart and see what I mean: http://www.tflguide.com/2011/04/how-investors-react-in-different-market-situations.html It goes on to explain all the varying copmments we get and the personalities thaty say them and why. Pretty interesting article. Edited for wrong link, right one now.
  9. Amen Duke! The rule is buy low sell high. We have our USAA Mutual funds that we bought when the prices were bottomed out from 2007 to 2009 and I bought maximum anuual contributions for the IRAs and a large for us amount monthly as my pay was free and clear as everything we own including our land and house are and were paid for. The market is down and my TSLA buy two weeks ago that I posted above is up. From the $2.55 I paid back to today's close of 26.35 after hours. It will still go up past last year's high and beyond I believe. It will take well into 2012 for that to happen. Tellingt you why that will happen would take several pages but it is all out there.
  10. Chris, Webroot used Sophos Antivirus which failed Virus Bulletin VB100 testing for Vista SP1(April 2008) with 2 wildlist misses, and performed so poorly in AV-Comparatives testing (November 2008) that it failed to acheive even standard certification (No Certification-117 false positives)I don't know what A/V engine Webroot uses now but it is different than Sophos and in the 2011 PC World review webroot took some hard hits for slowing the computers way down and not protecting or finding infections once they get in. 2008 Go here and scroll all the way down to webroot at the bottom and you will see the big X and the same for Sophos: http://www.virusbtn.com/vb100/archive/test?y=2008&m=04 Here is the last time it was tested by AV comparatives as Sophos. Since it used Sophos for the A/V part in 2008, any Sophos failure will be one for Webroot as well. Go here and scroll down all the way to the results and Sophos was not certified at all. http://www.av-comparatives.org/seiten/ergebnisse/report20.pdf 2011: Here is the PC World review for 2011. The Magazine review is 180 degrees from what the users say below but again, many folks stick with the familiar. I am also seeing that some users are using it and a second real time Anti malware product and that is a good way to mess up both, and possibly the data on the computer. If it is indeed as much of a resource hog as the reviews say it is you might want to contact them online and get their removal tool, then install MSE and use it for a week and see if it makes as big a difference as I suspect it may. Since you have a paid for your copy, and have the code to activate it, if you don't see any difference you can uninstall MSE and reinstall it easily. Here is the link for the 2011 review: http://www.pcworld.com/article/214667/webroot_internet_security_essentials_2011.html
  11. Beats me Carl, I thought they ceased to be in 2008, and were going that way for most of this past decade. You surprised me with thet one.
  12. Yep I was referring to the browser, and the mangement they had in the mid to late 90's. I didn't know they had anything still out there. I just looked it up. Is this what you mean? http://email.about.com/cs/winclientreviews/gr/netscape.htm
  13. BTW, Lest I be thought of as just using MS, we use and used Quicken. I switched to Windows live mail and tried gmail and hate both so may be giving Thunderbird another try. Haven't tried it in at least 5 or ten years I forget. I love MS office and have four or five legal licenses and hologrammed CDs. I absolutely hate MS Outlook and never install it since MS Office 95 and 97 when I tried and uninstalled. I went so far as to get the corporate Sage ACT software for CRM at the last company where I also ordered Kapspersky enterprise edition as well. That even though we had Office Pro on every computer and only on one where that individual loved outlook and used it for email and schedule and contacts did I let it be on one of my workstations. If Thunderbird doesn't work out for me then I will try Outlook 2010 one more time on one computer, and load it on all of them if I can tolerate it as Outlook express is not as secure anymore. One more comment about Netscape. I started an Internet provider service in 1995 that grew quite large in Germany when stationed there (Of course the real profits happened after I had to return to the US at the end of my tour in Jan 97, and sold out to my systems engineer.) I had used Mosaic but settled on Netscape as my browser and paid for it. I was there when the brouhaha first came about and it was not MS that made Netscape fail. Netscape had the worst customer service and sold it for several different prices and did not refund me the difference when I found the day I renewed they sold it for less to new customers the same day and never said a word! Netscape was the most arrogant company I ever dealt with in or out of technology bar none. And then thought they were big enough to take on MS and lost again after losing their customewr base to just plain arrogance. MS came out with IE and I uninstalled Netscape just a week after I tried out IE. I did not then care if I wasted a subscription fee, they pixed me and many others off. At the time I was still using DR Dos from Digital research not MSDOS, and dual booted it as well as using QEMM mem management non MS software. I also used Quicken from the git go not MS Money and never used their photo processing or media player until now. I still prefer the third party audio and video programs. Back then Central point software anti virus and Norton utilities were king. My point is I use what works most elegantly for me in engineering terms. But it is still a subjective call regardless of experience or monies spent. Your Kaspersky will work as well as my MSE will for each of us, becuase no security program is even close to 100% as you know since you read the AV Comparatives right? The first lines of defense as I have posted here many times before is Windows updates first to shut the door of vulnerabilities possible, at that time, and user awareness second as that is the main avenue of infections, fooling people into clicking on a fake email or scareware and over-riding the security program. As well online pirating software and music/video content is way up there in infection potential and no brand can protect you then. None of that is personal, but my experience for what it is worth. Many folks are afraid to change and don't want to try using an uninstaller and others don't care. As long as you take care of the first lines of defense it really makes no difference what program you choose, as long as you do have something that is free or paid for and up to date to clean out any infections that do get allowed in, which increasingly is the case. But I have tried the MS and the third party alternatives in every instance including the OS' and used the one that I preferred and seemed to work best for me. I don't get infections but have seen a few drive by and scareware attempts thwarted by me and/or my security programs on my systems. Others haven't had the same experience.
  14. Glenn, If you drove a Ford and said that Ford was unscrupulous, but you drive one anyway, and then tell others not to use their parts because they can't be any good because Ford can't make a good car made of their parts, why would you still be driving the Ford itself, when there are perfectly good Chevy's and Dodge's and others to choose from? Perhaps you suspect that the others would not be any better either? Running Windows and then saying that they can't write an OS that will not need updates, and can't be trusted so their A/V is not reliable, well, that is begging the question in reverse. You thought it was naive to use MSE because Windows won a browser war back in the late 90's? If you check, all OS' have vulnerabilities and always will. My goodness if security was easy then the Linux server vaults that contain their kernal info, which would be a treasure for criminals, would not have been hacked and cracked last week. Apparently the criminals that got in just stumbled in accidentally and the intrusion was detected. They don't think the intruders got the kernal codes or knew they were there. The annual pwn2own contest would not take place where every OS goes down everytime, even when the companies, most notably Apple, Patches their OS within days of the contest for the vulnerabilities they "think" the hackers will exploit. That hasn't worked either. In other words, as long as there are responsible OS OEMs there will be patches and updates and that is a very good thing. Because there always will be the criminals, of that I am sure. I do use AV comparatives and have read them for years, and they are the reason I selected MSE to try in the first place. Good link! The 2010 summary that you pointed to does NOT have MSE at the bottom. The summary has seven tests they conduct annually in addition to their other scheduled tests. In that summary of the seven tests performed Kaspersky is listed as a winner in only one where they give a gold silver or bronze award. MSE is listed as a winner in three of the tests. It is also one of only two that are free programs that were tested. Here is a summary of the summary that you can find on pages 5 on in the link you provided, I bolded Microsoft's wins and bolded and italicized Kaspersky's win: Summary of the Annual Awards On-Demand Malware Detection GOLD: G DATA SILVER: AVIRA BRONZE: Symantec On-Demand PUA Detection GOLD: Panda SILVER: Symantec BRONZE: TrustPort Proactive On-Demand Malware Detection GOLD: G DATA SILVER: AVIRA BRONZE: Microsoft Low False Positive Rate GOLD: F-Secure SILVER: Microsoft, eScan BRONZE: BitDefender Overall Performance (Low System Impact) GOLD: K7 SILVER: Kingsoft, Sophos BRONZE: Avast, Microsoft On-Demand Scanning Speed GOLD: Avast, AVIRA SILVER: Symantec BRONZE: Panda Whole Product Dynamic Protection GOLD: F-Secure, Symantec SILVER: AVIRA BRONZE: Kaspersky Product of the Year 2010: F-Secure If all of that seems obscure, on pages 5 etc. there is a short blurb under each test telling you what it means in layman's terms. The color chart is hard to read until you read the text of what each test is testing. Microsoft was listed as a good basic protection suite. I find it falling in the upper 1/4 of the pack, and in good company. As well it is listed at the top of the pack for using the least resources with only one other above it. Lady Fitz, you are indeed right in that even the "paid for always on Malwarebytes Pro" is designed for use with an active A/V product, not as a standalone. MSE is also at the top of the heap for A/V programs with anti spy etc. as well, for being one of the top two tested for removing malware completely. I use Malwarebytes free as a back up, however it is 25 bucks per computer for a lifetime subscription. It is not designed nor recommended by the company to be used as a standalone product and the only protection. Lastly all of the paid for and free products do some job of protection and my choice need not be another's. I chose and paid for Kaspersky for about five years ever since they became the AV comparatives product of the year in 2004 and 2005. They haven't been back on top since, but that does not make them a bad product at all. They are in the middle of the pack for resource usage as well which isn't as good as MSE but very good nevertheless. It is my opinion that there is no better interface and combination of reliability and low false positives, one of the top three in detecting unknown malware, which is what the Proactive On-Demand Malware Detection test was about, than MSE. And it's free. But the number one reason I like it is because no one knows the guts of Microsoft better than Microsoft. Giving away MSE may well put the others out of business but like the free browser, no doubt there will be competition. If just by offering it free would assure dominance of a market let's not forget that free or paid MS doesn't always win, for example Money lost out to Quicken, Bing to Google, Windows Mobile to Apple and adroid, etc. What determines a product's success is what does the job best for the least cost and inconvenience to the end user. I like MS and its products. That is why I use them. One other item to note is that MSE is now in version 2 since December of 2010 which is after the last AV comparatives summary. We should see it in the December 2011 summary in a few months. Last word. Like OS' there is no security product that is 100% perfect 100% of the time against all threats. None can protect any computer from unknown threats reliably. Most have heurisitics but still depend on signatures that are downloaded daily or more often. None can protect us from ourselves. If one clicks to allow a scan from a scareware intrusion no A/V can protect you. We have to be able to over-ride the scanners when we want to download a program. Especially new ones that aren't accounted for by the security programs out there but can trigger a false positive. I think Fsecure this year's winner would be a good one to try, but some of their computers also will get infected. Here's a customer support issue with fsecure allowing an infection in: http://forum.f-secure.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=11708 I always recommend malwarebytes as the back up tool, and in that link just above the user found it with Malwarebytes when fsecure didn't find the infection. So no matter the program flaws can be found. Thus I look for light resource usage, best for heuristics and new malware, and as long as it is in the top three or four, free is a huge bonus! My point is that the best cannot protect us 100%. There will be new malware infections with all of them,and user inflicted ones too. Safe computing.
  15. Glenn, There are plenty of alternatives to MSE as well as to Windows. What operating system and anti malware programs are you running or suggesting again?
  16. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Security_Essentials http://experts.windows.com/w/experts_wiki/89.aspx
  17. YW Vern, any questions let me know.
  18. It was the last good buying opportunity last week for Tesla. I told you I was looking to buy my last block but it was too high and I missed a slight drop the week before last. Well I put in my buy order in for 22.55 again and thought it would never happen but I was ready. My goodness it went all the way down to 22.00 for a couple of days and I could have bought much lower. Back up to 24.71 today and will go as before I think so I did get to buy my last block just in time this time. It hasn't been that low since last March. So I achieved my goal of the last two weeks. I now have twice the shares and am way up already again. I expect one more buying opportunity just before the Model S starts delivery since the roadsters are not being built anymore and there will be a gap in income for a month or three there when I expect consumer confidence to flag again. I know it is only one stock I am playing with and the rest of my funds etc. I don't manage as the experts at USAA are doing just fine managing those, certainly better than I would be. But I am having fun. I hope everybody else is doing as well.
  19. Vern, If you decide to use MSE you must remove Kaspersky first and use the Kaspersky removal tool. It can be found here: http://support.kaspersky.com/faq/?qid=208279463 Just print out that screen and download the kavremover.exe file and run it by double clicking on it. It should run without the part you printed out required bu have it on hane=d anyway. Never uninstall any antivirus program using windows add/remove programs. Then you download MSE from here: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/security_essentials/default.aspx And install it only after you have removed Kaspersky. Make sure you allow it to turn on Windows firewall during install. (It will ask) CCleaner is for removing residue and doing registry cleaning. Malwarebytes is a back up manual scanner. MSE and the Windows Firewall is all you need for security. As far as a slowdown on your computer I would check add/remove programs and uninstall any and all toolbars that show up regardless of the name and that includes Yahoo toolbar, Google toolbar etc. If your Internet is the only thing slow then let me know what browser you are using IE or FF.
  20. Phil answered and I agree. Go to their website and download the removal tool. That applies to any anti malware program.
  21. Congrats on your new Toshiba! I strongly recommend MSE, I use it in all of my systems. I also bought and tested all the previous ones incuding AVG free and paid for, and Kaspersky Internet security as well as Norton up to my switching to MSE 2 years ago. I don't use any of them anymore, just MSE with Malwarebytes free as a back up on demand scanner. Every security program installs deep in your system and to completely remove one you need to go to the vendor, in this case Symantec, for the Norton product installed on yours, and use the vendor removal tool to remove it, they have an all in one that removes all Norton priducts since 2003. For goodness sake do not remove the programs with Windows add/remove programs! I loved Kaspersky prior to MSE, and used Norton for years before that before they too became bloatware. I use MSE as are many many others, and trust it as much as all the above and more so because it is light and quiet. Do not load AVG free on it as it is hard to remove, and really bloats up boot times and scan times. If Norton has already been installed and/or activated use the Norton removal tool here to completely remove it. Do not uninstall with windows add remove progreams. Go here, download the removal tool, then follow the directions in step 2 to run it: http://us.norton.com/support/kb/web_view.jsp?wv_type=public_web&selected_nav=&id=&entsrc=&pvid=&docurl=kb20080828154508EN_EndUserProfile_en_us Also do not have two security real time programs running at the same time. Download MSE and let Windows put it in the default Downloads folder before you remove Norton, then install MSE right after removal and reboot to reduce your exposure time.
  22. I hope it brings a sharp drop in Tesla. I missed it for just under 23 last Thursday and it is back up to $26.31. Granted that makes all my previous buys of it at 22.55 and at 17.50 or so worth more but I really wanted to buy one more block. I know, it is strange to hear someone wanting their stock to go down. Well they should show a really bad two quarters as the last roadsters are sold and there is no product selling until the Model S comes out. I was banking on that for my last buy later later this year, or in early 2012 or later if they post a delay in the Model S, I just missed the unexpected drop to the price point I wanted last week . . . caught unawares because I am not glued to the ticker, I am long on Tesla. Once again I am no knowledgeable person at this. I just know what they are gonna do. Knew it back when everyone thought I was being too optimistic. I just got an email that they will be giving rides in the ModelS only to reservation holders at the new FRemont Ca. Factory and giving factory tours. For those that ignore anything connected with the words "Electric Car" and automatically become blind, and many do, take a look at their website and see what the future is bringing for their second successful car in production. http://www.teslamotors.com/
  23. Well since I was asked about Tesla, it did not go down as far as it did last Friday and I am hoping it comes down in the morning. What is making them stay higher than I had hoped, for a buy of my last block is that Motley Fool did a 180 after months of bashing them out of the ignorance of the analyst there of the difference between Tesla and the rest of the electrics. He was skimming their news not reading them. Now they change to glowing reports last Friday and even more so this morning, while separately this morning Merril Lynch changed on Tesla to a buy recommend and a 34 dollar target price and then goes on to rave about Elon Musk being the new Steve Jobs. Here are three short articles about TESLA that came out this morning. I know it seems insane to hope for my own stock to go down, but it also may be my last shot at the lowest price so one more day, tomorrow, I watch and maybe I can buy happy or grudgingly a bit higher than I hoped. Buying at 24 and selling later at 34 or higher beats waiting until it hits 34 and regretting. http://www.fool.com/investing/high-growth/2011/08/08/this-just-in-upgrades-and-downgrades.aspx http://blogs.forbes.com/ericsavitz/2011/08/08/tesla-is-elon-the-next-steve-merrill-launches-with-buy/?partner=yahootix http://seekingalpha.com/article/285641-getting-aggressive-in-a-scary-stock-market-buy-the-innovators-at-deep-discounts?source=yahoo You brought Tesla up Cindona. I am the least qualified to advise others to buy or sell, I just do what I do for me. I have only twice decided that I had to gamble in the market. Once with Apple when they announced they were going to Intel chipsets, and were at 55 a share, and I backed out because I was not a stock gambler, and this time when I learned from my Apple experience to follow my well researched years of following Tesla. I will buy one last block of Tesla but hope to get it cheaper than today. If you read the "experts" in the articles above those familiar with my posts about Tesla here since 5 years ago and more will for the first time see where the analysts finally did their homework. So wish me luck and a drop in my stocks for now. I already got my real state but only my 5 acres and house here paid for 5 years ago or so, so we have only utilities to pay and no other debt. I consider that income producing as no note or rent is going out. So our funds are doing fine, they went down some but we are still ahead there, and way ahead on our Tesla, although I hope to be at a loss for a day or two on paper to make one more buy.
  24. Duke, Don't congratulate me. I am sick! I heard the markets went down and since it usually takes a day or two for Tesla to react strongly it dipped down to 22.83 today before I saw fit to look and it was back up. I know I should have had a standing order but I do now in case there is a Monday morning profit taking session in the mid morning. THat was my fault. But if anybody looks up Tesla (TSLA,) and checks the prices for the past year and their opening IPO public prices, you'll see that while I didn't make the killing many did, my 5-12 dollar share profits from the first buy, and 2-7 buck a share profit since I bought the second batch at 22.50 beats the heck out of bank rates. I just wish it would go down once more because I have been waiting for this and now in hindsight will buy at 22.85 if it comes back down. Accck! Mea Culpa, Mea Culpa, Mea Maxima Culpa. (No not Catholic just like the latin phrase)
  25. Cindona, My investement funds are through USAA and they will do fine. I am tickled with Tesla, but it has not dropped far enough for me to buy my last block. We are still way ahead, and hope that it does go down to where we bought initially. My problem isn't worrying about how low it will go or getting out. My concern is judging the bottom correctly or close to buy at best advantage. And that is luck anyway. I bought my first block at 17 and change, my second block at 22.55. It closed down today at $24.75, not low enough to buy my third block but may be the lowest and I should. I have been really upset with Motley Fool giving Tesla investors grief ignorantly for the past two or three months. This morning before the crash they came out pro and did a 180 with this article: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/08/04/tesla-motors-big-surprise.aspx Now before you read that as most would, they have ignored and scanned Tesla like many others and missed what was announced last mid year when Tesla made a deal with Toyota and Daimler to supply them, and buy the Toyota excess factory in Fremont California putting a bunch of Americans back to work. Now this is important about analysts, they are as prone to be know it alls as the common investor. In this case you have to get to the second half of the article before you see their weak attempt to say that things have changed with the Totyota deal when in fact I posted here that Tesla delivereed the Toyota Rav 4 protos to Toyota last November /December, and I also posted here about Tesla buying the Fremont Plant from Toyota in a big deal in mid 2010! As well as their deal with Daimler. I am no big investor. I have only talked about investing here really twice. Once in 2005 that Apple was going to be able to run Windows when they announced they would switch to Intel chips the following year in early or mid 2006. They were 55 bucks a share! I chickened out, others may have listened to me. This time I felt the same as then but with Tesla, which I had been following since about 2003 (and I won't name the folks here that said they would never come to market etc. etc ad nauseum) I jumped in with both feet. Even today folks don't realize they brought the first production long range Hwy capable all electric to market in 2008 way ahead of the big auto makers. I still see people posting that no one is going to buy a car with 80 -100 mile range, when Tesla has 300 mile ranges, unlike the competition. Anyway, it is my understanding to never sell low, only high, and that you haven't made or lost or broke even until you sell. So today's market is when to buy in my limited understanding of how it works. I am serious too. Warren Buffet gave those as his rules for buying and selling, and that makes it good enough for me. But I am hoping Tesla goes down a bit more. I will surely buy at 22.55 or lower. I am just worried this is as far down as it is going.
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