TP shortage caused by hoarders? Not so fast...

[Aggie79-82a]

All of the hoarding is interesting but more interesting is there are plenty of toilet cleaning supplies and brushes available.  I guess no one is planning to clean their toilet until they use up there 144 rolls of TP.

[chirakawa]

If I was going to hoard anything, it would be produce.  With the borders closed, there's no one to pick the crop in the field.  I saw on the news where they interviewed a farmer with 70,000 acres and no one to harvest it.  Normally, he uses migrant workers from Mexico on work visas.

[richfaa]

The last 24 roll we purchased was at a Publix in Florida maybe 3 weeks ago. We were in a Giant Eagle   here at home in Ohio this morning and they had some still in stock. Check out the RV TP section at Walmart they also had TP. We do not have any of the above mentioned diseases.

[richfaa]

The good news is dunkin doughnuts  is still open when they close we are in real trouble.

[Dutch_12078]

4 hours ago, richfaa said:

The last 24 roll we purchased was at a Publix in Florida maybe 3 weeks ago. We were in a Giant Eagle   here at home in Ohio this morning and they had some still in stock. Check out the RV TP section at Walmart they also had TP. We do not have any of the above mentioned diseases.

About 3 weeks ago, the Publix, Winn Dixie, and Walmart in St Mary's, GA all had empty TP shelves including the RV section at Walmart. We haven't shopped since getting to our upstate NY cottage, but our daughters tell us Walmart and the two regional chain markets here also have empty TP shelves. We're not low yet, so hopefully the distribution warehouses will be catching up before we need more.

[bobsallyh]

chirakawa, https://www.azcentral.com/picture-gallery/news/local/arizona-environment/2020/04/05/farmworkers-harvesting-vegetables-yuma-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2948216001/

Don't know where that outfit is you reported, but the San Luis, Los Algodones borders are open. In fact on I-8 this afternoon, the reader board even gave the times that the Lukeville border crossing is open. Day workers coming across daily and the lettuce wagons are on the move to the cooling houses here in Yuma. Soon moving to Salinas, CA. for that season. How do you hoard perishable veggies? 

[sandsys]

17 minutes ago, bobsallyh said:

How do you hoard perishable veggies? 

You put them in those green bags that keep them fresh longer. You turn tomatoes into tomato sauce. You parboil then freeze sliced celery to use in cooking. You freeze whole bananas in their skins to use later in smoothies or banana bread. Etc. It can be one of those "where there's a will there's a way" things.

Linda

For that celery our favorite is to take one cup of celery and add to one can of cream of chicken soup, one can of sliced water chestnuts including the liquid, and one small jar of drained pimentos. Heat and serve as a side dish or add chicken for a main dish which can be served over your choice of starch if you eat carbs.

[hdrider]

17 hours ago, chirakawa said:

If I was going to hoard anything, it would be produce.  With the borders closed, there's no one to pick the crop in the field.  I saw on the news where they interviewed a farmer with 70,000 acres and no one to harvest it.  Normally, he uses migrant workers from Mexico on work visas.

Which is sad with so many people now unemployed and so many on Welfare. 

[chirakawa]

9 hours ago, bobsallyh said:

chirakawa, https://www.azcentral.com/picture-gallery/news/local/arizona-environment/2020/04/05/farmworkers-harvesting-vegetables-yuma-amid-coronavirus-pandemic/2948216001/

Don't know where that outfit is you reported, but the San Luis, Los Algodones borders are open. In fact on I-8 this afternoon, the reader board even gave the times that the Lukeville border crossing is open. Day workers coming across daily and the lettuce wagons are on the move to the cooling houses here in Yuma. Soon moving to Salinas, CA. for that season. How do you hoard perishable veggies? 

I believe the farmer they interviewed was in Georgia.  I don't remember all the details but his concern was that work visas were not being processed at the usual rate and he expected to come up very short of his normal number of pickers.

Perhaps crossing for a few days is different than getting a visa for a full season.  I don't know.

How do you hoard veggies?  As a child, I observed an annual ritual at my home called "canning".  If I was a hoarder, which I'm not, I'd figure out a way, which would probably involve freezing.

[Twotoes]

How did we get from hoarding toilet paper to canning vegetables?

[chirakawa]

3 minutes ago, Twotoes said:

How did we get from hoarding toilet paper to canning vegetables?

Conversations evolve.  😀

[sandsys]

Back to toilet paper. I have decided to admit I was wrong about my usage. With the new Charmin Megarolls, we only have to change the roll every other day. I know that still seems like a lot but besides my explosions I have two other conditions that require using toilet paper. If you truly need to know what they are in order to stop judging people when you don't know their situation I will tell you.

Linda

[Pappy Yokum]

On 4/5/2020 at 1:36 PM, pjstough said:

People were hoarding TP way before restaurants started closing.

Glass houses (out-houses?) and throwing stones......

"We" will never know.......but this lady *could* be involved supplying food and supplies to those who can't get out and shop for essentials themselves. 

Believe it or not.....There really *ARE* folks who do things like that - and don't need a "smiley face" decal on their RVs to be Good Samaritans!

How 'bout you?

.

 

Edited April 7, 2020 by Pappy Yokum

[Dutch_12078]

4 hours ago, sandsys said:

Back to toilet paper. I have decided to admit I was wrong about my usage. With the new Charmin Megarolls, we only have to change the roll every other day. I know that still seems like a lot but besides my explosions I have two other conditions that require using toilet paper. If you truly need to know what they are in order to stop judging people when you don't know their situation I will tell you.

Linda

I think the point is that unless there was an incredible increase of people with diseases like IBS, Crohn's, etc., that happened to coincide with the increase in COVID-19, there are people hoarding TP...

[kb0zke]

We go to Walmart about once a week for shopping, and each time we check for RV tp, usually without success. Today, though, there was plenty, at at the usual price. Jo Ann picked up two packages, only to be told at checkout that there was a limit of one package per person. No sign to that effect. We went back later and each of us got a package.

[sandsys]

4 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said:

I think the point is that unless there was an incredible increase of people with diseases like IBS, Crohn's, etc., that happened to coincide with the increase in COVID-19, there are people hoarding TP...

I live in a complex that offers assisted living. People here shop for their neighbors. My point is that you have no idea why anyone might be buying lots of TP. What if those two women work in a care center and were buying for all the residents? Unless you actually ask them, you cannot know why they were buying so much. So, why would you assume they were hoarding? You know about that word ass u me, right?

Linda

[dblr]

On 4/5/2020 at 4:36 PM, pjstough said:

People were hoarding TP way before restaurants started closing.

Let's add another possibility, if this was at say a large box store like Costco maybe they were buying that much to resell at a local small grocery store in a large city, I have seen folks do that with the 2 liter bottle of sodas because they were cheap then they sell them at a higher price at their store. Not price gouging per say just add cost for local convenience.   Just a thought

[Dutch_12078]

We can make up all the possibilities we want for individual purchasers, but the fact remains that the demand for TP exploded along with COVID-19. Are some of those folks possibly just doing routine restocking of some sort? Sure, that's possible. But all of that sudden demand? Common sense says no, it's not routine at all...

[durangodon]

When Corona walked through the front door, common sense flew out the back.

[Kirk W]

[durangodon]

5 minutes ago, Kirk W said:

What do all those numbers mean?

[Barbaraok]

Go see this segment on the Toilet Paper manufacturing problem that aired on Chris Hayes program on MSNBC last night:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/the-truth-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-81759813784

[Jaydrvr]

11 minutes ago, Barbaraok said:

Go see this segment on the Toilet Paper manufacturing problem that aired on Chris Hayes program on MSNBC last night:

https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/the-truth-about-the-toilet-paper-shortage-81759813784

Not a valid conclusion. If you shop for commercial paper, such as the 24" rolls, it's not available either. I've checked multiple times. However, the supply line issues inherent in commercial vs. residential are real, so a couple valid points. Jay

Edited April 8, 2020 by Jaydrvr

[Pat & Pete]

There can't be a shortage . I went to the store this morning and found a skid filled with TP . 

Still in original packages .

No worries . we're set for a while , as I bought an 8 pack . 

[sandsys]

6 hours ago, Dutch_12078 said:

We can make up all the possibilities we want for individual purchasers, but the fact remains that the demand for TP exploded along with COVID-19. Are some of those folks possibly just doing routine restocking of some sort? Sure, that's possible. But all of that sudden demand? Common sense says no, it's not routine at all...

But, routines have been disrupted. According to the original post bathroom stops we used to make at school, work, restaurants, etc. are all happening at home now so the need for residential TP did, indeed, increase.

Linda